War for Peace

Re: #201,

The Power Elite analysis, well established, describes the US institutional setup not the NBA coaches, neither are the roles of basketball coaches (or fry cooks) the same as company board directors serving across both institutional as well as organizational lines, determining the size of the national economy as well as crafting policy. Interchangeability acorss the institutional structures of political, economic and military is in many cases the source of the interlocking directorship, which facilitates a community of interests- comparing that by way of analogy to a coach, moving from one team to the other, (or a fry cook moving from Mc Donalds to Burger King) is quite pathetic, it shows that this person understands neither interchangeability nor the concept of the interlocking directorship, nor how vested these corporations are in the US political economy and its foreign adventurism. Throwing out smoke screens/ red herrings, based upon ignorance, has become the hallmark of people like hamidm.

Zeemax #200, the time has arrived when the consequences of doing nothing might be beyond catastrophic. Around 50% of the world`s population is living on less than $2 a day, with many of them under $1 a day, and the vast majority of the others, not much better. In the next 50 years, because of just such poverty, we will add 4 billion more to this planet`s population, and the power elite would rather sacrifice all than have anyone attempt to change the hegemonic structure of their power. They are conscious of their class, the vast majority of the others are distracted or too busy scrapping for survival to develop any kind of consciousness of what is affecting their lives and its connection to the larger setup of society. If too many nails stick out, as conscious human beings, maybe we can dislodge the structure that the unconscious, like damn fools, are supporting.

zeemax,

........ first pat riley was with the lakers and now he is with the heat - does this prove that a `power elite` runs the nba ? ........ it is all about winning

Masadi,

By proving the point of interlocking directorships, you have proven your point of the power elite. It is undeniable. Any opposition still after that is BS.

I know the corridors of power. I know how a nail that sticks up its head is hammered down. That`s the way it is, till it is brought down through guillotines in the city squares.

But I don`t want to be a Robespierre. Neither should you ...you know what happened to him ...

Re: # 197

ahmedmadani sahib,

......... thanks for your response .... i agree with you on women, daughters and cats - as the father of two daughters and no sons i worry about them and, like you, i have observed that the youngest ``think too highly of themselves and they feel they look too good and they are gift of god`.......... but i don`t agree with you on steel - the best thing the government can do is to sell psm to mittal so that he can junk it - any steel mill of that age needs billions of dollars in investment to make it run efficiently ......... it is better to junk them and build defence housing societies like they did in pittsburgh usa which, thirty years ago, was not fit for human habitation but is now ranked as one of the best places to live in the usa ......... karachi can be like pittsburgh ......

.......... also it is against islam to make an integrated steel mill because it makes `pig iron` ........ on the other hand mini-mills which use scrap metal are islamic and in accordance with sharia .........

Re: # 193
I am seriously thinking of writing article of how to teaching maths to school and college students by parents or for tutors based on my experience . I wonder can it be publishable topic ?

Re: # 195

Thanks Mr.H for your response. I am grateful for your good words I could have used that in younger days. Still I differ from you in these matters. I liked that chart. At center is Evil Bank city bank of America. And Prof. M Asadi was bringing to notice the their banker / officer controls Pakistan as PM of pakistan. See recently P M. and his bank had brought PMS at throw away price and fortunately peopele like prof M Asadi objected to this american ellite conspericy to loot and thiefs were denied prize. As after wards they would have sold that to bad boy Indian mittal who will junk steel mill and biuld all defence housing col.
I agree US univesities are not good for women/ young women as too many people come from any where and too much individual freedom gets to them and they marry wrong nationality people. From my experiece do not send daughters to usa for edeucation specially if they are engineer as they are surrounded by mostly men and that lead to wrong things and they get spoilt and marry wrong people. I think they are few so they get all mens/boys attention as they are also in stupid age and they do not think what parents will feel shame by their actions. Also my observations if you have all daughters then then last youngest is danger as they think too highly of themselves and they feel they look too good and they are gift of god to foolish boys. And that little gets too angry for words from father who is all worried. And you are in Karachi and you get phone of marrying wrong person for wrong trivial reasons it happened many years but still I can not forget stupidity, but I forgive and said all well that ends well in grand daughter. Problem with women is they are complex and even they do not understand themselves. Some times it difficult to understand what they are saying yes or no as some times yes means no and no means yes. They abandon father and run away. So now I just do not want to pay attention to any body but two my cats, they are loyal to me. Old male cat always sleeps near typing board or on my lap and helps me now he is my son and good boy.Did you note what he did , hope you read( kindly read0. I am thinking of writing letter of thanks to him and give him good fatty food on his birthday he is 11 years now. Poor thing doctor had taken part of his ear was not heeling but he is better now. I am thinking of sending his picture in some comment. When He was young he was 10 Kg big cat and I use to be afraid to catch him when he was mad.Any way I want to say thanks to my cats. No body listened to me any time all women, wife and daughters, daughters become like mothers. So young man should always study more future mother in law as daughters just copy mothers. If they do not like site of MO In law then they should run away.
Any way Prof M Asadi has brought some salient points and I agree with many though not all. sorry little loose way of writing.
Anyway thanks for comment. Good day every body specially men with all daughters.

#194 feroz writes <<< The trivality was used to describe not anything you said, but to highlight the non-topical aspects of the posts, which did not address the issuses of your article. >>>

Then we have no disagreement on that issue.

Re: # 192

ahmedmadani sahib,

......... you are my favourite interactor on chowk and i have a lot of respect for your wisdom, but i am afraid you have been duped by this charlatan who claims to be a professor ........ sir, i humbly beg to state that the man is a bonafide idiot and that american campuses, specially community colleges, are full of these looney characters ......... i am sure you have heard of ward churchill and this other fool at u of wisconsin who claims 9/11 was carried out by the us government ........ in other civilized countries they lock up these people in lunatic asylums, in the us they allow them to run amok on college campuses - it is a great country .......... but, as you would say, it is lufangebazi ........

Re: # 190

I am simply at a loss, to understand you. When I talked about the trivality of the posts, I used the word ``ours`` and that meant both of our posts and not just yours. The trivality was used to describe not anything you said, but to highlight the non-topical aspects of the posts, which did not address the issuses of your article.

As to the taxes and the Iraq war, Mr. Asadi, I do not hold you personally responsible for supporting the war. If that was the case, then by my logic I should also hold Cindy Sheenan responsible, because she is also an American tax payer. That would be highly illogical.

The comment was in reaction to your post and it was meant to impress upon you the idea that I do not appreciate being called names. I think you got the idea, because in the manner you lashed out at me, suggested to me that you did not like also liked being called names. I wanted to make a point and by making you angry, I made my point and which was that calling names is a self-defeating proposition.

Ciao

Re: # 192

I was first to refer as Professor then other picked up clue. I have to state that. All you can check that. Most of you wanted to degrade him saying Asadi. It was subconcious of your mind , already predijuced.

Re: # 191
I think now a days thinking wrong way and bad stuff drinking is fashionable. Prof M Asadi put his thesis if some body does not like is fine but calling names and suggesting people to change profession and jobs or suggesting to have suicide belt ready is not funny its sad way of response is uncalled for. I find british manners better as American ways are reckless and profane. All of people who did personal attacks on him should aoppologize and should learn humility. There is lot of Jalosy factor as you people have to really work hard while professors do not do coolie type job. Actually it is not quantity work but quality of work is rewarded and respected in Universities and for that they are given freedom of thought while stupid coolies can be fired for useing freedom against boss saying he is wrong. You just like fashionable way of writing. You do not like Prof. A Masadi as like children you do not like bitter medicine.
I think not all how got to America are not all sane ,I now think almost 49% expaks in USA, etc are stupid. Sorry but it is my feeling. But good day every body.

Re: # 190

masadi,

......... a sincere suggestion - get a real job and see a shrink !

ferozk,

.......... you don`t have to stoop to masadi`s level - let me do it

#188 by ferozk, this is another attempt by you to resurrect the non-state actor, state responsibility debate. First, the US public does not ``elect`` its representatives in any real fashion, the choices that they are given are extremely restricted, a two party monopoly is not too different than a one party dictatorship, all circumscribed by wealth and who gets covered and what issues are manipulated by an all encompassing corporate media. Second, nation states are artificial entities and those in power in them, regardless of the facade of democracy are similarly artificial and care little about what happens in the local environments of people, they are simply too large and too distant. Further, when a government is moved more by international rather than local issues, you cannot hold the ``local`` public responsible for it. All this setup is coersively enforced and the less than couple of thousand they might extract in taxes at the federal level from me, around 50% of which they relegate to the current military (according to some estimates) does not at all hold me responsible for their policies when I am willing to spend a lot more than that challenging their policies.

#189, there is nothing trivial in my posts, and I wont waste my time proviing that to you because it is irrelevant to this discussion. Please return to the topic on hand, my personality, the AID business and state, non-state actors are not the point here.

Hamidm, when you have such a dense network of interlocking directorship- just one part of the model I`m talking about- even going by your simplistic assessment, it leads to one director looking after the concerns of various corporations across industy boundaries- in short they act as a class block.

Re: Asadi # 172

I hope you would have realized from the trivality of our last few interact posts on how difficult it is to seriously interact, when the discussion veers off the topic to personal comments.

Ciao

Re: # 175

You have raised a very interesting point.

I am responsible for the acts of my government, because in the end, I have to bear the consequences of my government`s actions as they determine and shape the course of events, which effect my existence in Pakistan.

It is another matter that I have no choice in selecting my government or those who rule over me and given the state of affairs in Pakistan, I doubt that I will ever have the opportunity to truly select a government of my own choice through the expression of a ballot.

It would be an act of moral cowardice on my part, to say that I have no ownership on the policies of the Pakistani government, because I did not elect it. I will not claim this argument. When the government of Pakistan acts in my name, without my permission, I am still liable for its actions and my own personal sense of accountibility, will not allow me shy from this responsibility.

As to my taxes supporting a dictator, I will be honest with you and state that would be a very fair and just assessment of my present situation in Pakistan.

I have no objections to admitting the truth and on being found quility, but I do expect others to also stand up and admit the truth and also accept the ``ownership`` of their acts. :)

Ciao

#178 hamidm the other day when my younger daughter asked me why i never made partner i simply said, `because i was lazy and didn`t work hard enough` instead of giving her some cock and bull story about the power elite ...........

hat`s off to you!! it takes a real man to point a finger at himself rather than at others.