Science, Psychology and Spirituality

Re: # 53

nasah

Your moralistic indignation is understandable dear Nasah but I don`t think any body has the licence to kill the innocent even if he cares little for his own life or hopes to go to heaven by performing that `jihad` and being called a `shaheed`.

Do you think Jihadi bombers have conscience when they do not spare even the innocent people praying in their mosques just for the sectarian differences? The judo-christian bombers, how cynical it may look, can have at least some solace by the `fact` that they are not killing people to send them to hell but are only sending them to heaven. What a cruel, cynical and weird logic all these bombers can have to numb their conscience!

Re: # 54

Sorry, I have invertantly mentioned the name of `Qeis` instead of `Farhaad` called the `Kohkan` in the first line of the third para of my post at #54 .

Re: # 50

Dear Dr. Sohail

Thank you dear Sohail for your appreciation for a simple question of mine which boggles the minds of many
people who think objectively and scientifically like you. I shall eagerly await you promised article on the subject before I venture to offer my humble views in the matter.

I am also thankful for your associating my nickname with a couplet of the great Ghalib, whom I consider an ‘Arif’ and my ‘Peer ustaad’.

BTW,teshah (hammer) was used by Qeis both for costruction and distruction, but the ‘root cause’ in either case was the same, i.e, Ishq. That ishq, in case of a suicide bomber, who uses a weapon, say dynamite, which can also be used both ways and is bound obviously also by ‘rasoom-o-qayyood’ which may be taken in his case as the ‘obscurantist culture’, symbolized by heaven and ‘hoors’, etc .

Here I quote another couplet from Ghalib about ‘Kohkan’:-

“Qad-o-geisu mein Qeis-o-kohkan ki aazimaaish he
(Aur) Jahaan ham hein wahaan daar-o-rasan ki aazmaaish he”

Here Ghalib differentiates between the ‘ishq’ of Kohkan, which makes you kill yourself and the real ishq against which even puts ‘daar-o-rasan’ to test. And how beautifully Ghalib put it.

tshah -- what makes one to explode one as a suicide bomber -- into thousannd pieces -- each piece growing to become thousand suicicde bombers?....

I will tell you what makes a Terrorist Suicide Bomber explode -- another Mega Terrorist -- with a cowardly smart bomb -- dropped from a distance -- that is not not smart enough to spare the lives of 36 innocent fearful children huddled together in the bosoms of their moms sisters and brothers -- in a bomb shelter -- and then blown into thousand pieces....

That is Terror on mega scale -- killing in hundreds and thousands -- the Terrorist escapes unscathed unseeingly and unseenly -- with an immaculately clean and clear Judeo-Christian conscience -- without PAYING for his SINS -- of murdering innocent civilians in droves -- with his life.

Whereas a pathetic loner suicide bomber -- brings terror -- on the same but fewer innocent women and children -- on the MICRO scale -- at too close quarters to its victims for Western moral comforts -- but is `decent` enough to PAY for his SINS with his own life -- right there on the very same spot.....along with his innocent victims.

yet in the Kafkaesque world of upside down Western morality -- the lone paying-with-his-own-life suicide-bomber is a loathsome morally inferior Terrorist -- than the nonpaying, free-loading -- technologically sophisticated -- mass murdering from a `respectable` distance -- a Mega Terrorist -- of the likes of George Bushs and Ehud Olmerts......is definitely -- a morally superior Terrorist?.....how and why?

Interesting...isn`t it...?...now Dr. Sohail can take over.....

great piece Dr Sohail -- very mind nourishing -- ``God is the state of the mind`` -- a profoundly insightful sentence -- who lives in the right brain -- the Devil is in the details analyst -- that resides in the left brain -- the rest is all a fairy `tail`...

.....thanks for yours and Dr Gill`s such mind stimulating articles.....bless you

Re: # 49
Dear Teshah....you have asked a simple but profound question. Your question is inspiring

me to write another column for chowk about the PSYCHOLOGY OF `SUICIDE BOMBERS`.

Let me see if I can articulate my ideas in the next couple of weeks. Thanks for asking an

intellectually stimulating question. Answering it a in a few words will not be fair.

sincerely sohail

ps...by the way your name reminded me of ghalib`s sheyr

teshay baghair mar na saka kohkan asad

sar gashta-e-khumar-e-rasoom-o-qayood tha

Re: # 49
Dear Teshah....you have asked a simple but profound question. Your question is inspiring

me to write another column for chowk about the PSYCHOLOGY OF `SUICIDE BOMBERS`.

Let me see if I can articulate my ideas in the next couple of weeks. Thanks for asking an

intellectually stimulating question. Answering it a in a few words will not be fair.

sincerely sohail

ps...by the way your name reminded me of ghalib`s sheyr

teshay baghair mar na saka kohkan asad

sar gashta-e-khumar-e-rasoom-o-qayood tha

Dr. Sohai

What makes one to explode as a suicide bomber? Have you studied this as well from psychological point of view?

well I came across Dr. Robert Buckman`s book CAN WE BE GOOD WITHOUT GOD? His book is more toward darwanism rather then creationism. As far as I understand he points out to secular ideology that Prophets and GOD does not exist and It was only fabricated. In order to justify his point he used temporal lobe experiment in his book.

O Allah

O Dieties of the Universe

O Spirits of Ancestors....

O Spirits of Fire without Smoke.....

I Ask Vengeance upon Evil doers.........

I Ask Vengeance upon AL Qaeda.......

I Demand Vengeance upon those who usurp rights of poor, women and children.....

I Beeseech thee O Higher Beings of the Universe in the name of Allah, the merciful

I call upon the Spirits of the Wise men and Saints,

I call upon the spirits of the Prophets

I call upon the Spirits of the Rishis and Munis of Ancient India

I call upon the Angels and their angelic powers....

I call upon the Archangel Gabriel..........

Apprehend the evil doers

Punish them with all your might

Remove them from this Earth....

Ommmm...SHanti....Shanti...Shanti hi





Om Shanti.... Om Shanti.... Shanti.....Shanti...Shanti...heeee!
Om Shanti!

OM Brahmo Deva

OM Vaishnu Deva

OM PushuPati Deva

OM!



These are but.. non sense sanskrit words....They have no power....but for those who believe......

OM......Shanti.....OM Shanti....OM Shanti.....

I call upon you, O Greatest of all goddesses, O powerful Mother Durga......

Round up the evil doers and annihilate them......

Show us your miracle.....

O Mother of all....I ask thee in the name of Allah!


I call upon you, O Great Mother Kali.....Destroy these so called Muslims who call themselves Al Qaeda....and eat their hearts.....and make necklaces of their skulls and dance upon their corpses......


I call upon you, O Great Mother Saraswati, Fill this world with your music and wisdom, and make the evil doers and shedders of blood blind, deaf and dumb. Remove all pleasure they may feel in this world..

I call upon you, O Great Mother Lakshmi, Take away the wealth of those who hoard it and use it not to help your children....

Re: # 28

Shore Sahib

Thank you for improving my translation and translating the entire quote from Bulleh Shah into English. Btw, why don`t you try to translate the entire work of Bullehshah? I don`t know if he has already been translated into English. If so, I would love to see that.

drsab, sat sri akal and hail freud,

imo the yogis/zen practitioners have been practicing manipution of something (could be the t-lobe) to attain spirituality thru hatha-yoga and breathing, archery and motor-cycle maintainance. then there are raj-yoga (political spirituality), karma-yoga (work) and so on..

Re: # 43

dear khurrum....thank you for the reference. it is a masterpiece and also mentions

another classic ...COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS. by Dr. Bucke....sincerely sohail

``Religion and Neurology``

http://www.psywww.com/psyrelig/james/james2.htm

A 100yr old lecture on the same topic. A classic!

Re: # 34 and a few other posts...

Sir Ji, I appreciate your knowledgeful posts. But please don`t use your knowledge as a tool to discourage others. Free thinking is seriously needed in our society, even emong the masses. Please don`t try to give it an elitist color by discouraging the ones who have just started their journey to free thinking.

Sincerely submitted,
Charlie

Mr. Masadi,

Here, I will address you with appropriate civility, since you asked politely.

I have very little patience for brilliant minds such as yours. It has been greatly vexing reading your marvelous commentary on Chowk. Even though you have an interesting writing style, the content of your writings is simply on another plane of consciousness.

Thank you