Vignettes from the Cellular Jail
Shantanu Dutta August 25, 2006
#57 Posted by masadi on August 30, 2006 8:40:51 pm
GT in #51 <<< Asadi:
There were good things also..... >>>
Actually the industrialization that was taking root in India long before the British was set back centuries by the British, the ``good things`` were far outweighed by the bad and had the bad been taken care of or not existed, the effects of the ``good`` would have been negligible at best. There were benefits to the house slaves during the slavery era too, the lived around the same mansion as the master, ate the same food and so on but that is no justification for slavery. The colonized mind thinks in terms of these crumbs. It is time we gave it up and sought our independance.
There were good things also..... >>>
Actually the industrialization that was taking root in India long before the British was set back centuries by the British, the ``good things`` were far outweighed by the bad and had the bad been taken care of or not existed, the effects of the ``good`` would have been negligible at best. There were benefits to the house slaves during the slavery era too, the lived around the same mansion as the master, ate the same food and so on but that is no justification for slavery. The colonized mind thinks in terms of these crumbs. It is time we gave it up and sought our independance.
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#56 Posted by harimau on August 30, 2006 6:25:51 pm
Ref VRV #55
[In my Dept, both the Economics Professors of Indian origin are Bengalis. You can go to any Economics department in any part of the world and u find Bengali professors. Even you can see the research journal www.jstor.org and access, what you find are Bengali professors! Amartyada, Kaushik Basu, Amit Bhaduri, Debraj & Ray, Bardhan, Prajit Dutta, the list is long.... all are bongs[:)]. ]
Precisely why Economics is called the Dismal Science!
Harry Truman once said that he would like to have some one-armed economists because of the tendency of economists to hedge their bets by saying ``on the one hand..... but on the other.....``. I am all for chopping off one hand from each economist!
[In my Dept, both the Economics Professors of Indian origin are Bengalis. You can go to any Economics department in any part of the world and u find Bengali professors. Even you can see the research journal www.jstor.org and access, what you find are Bengali professors! Amartyada, Kaushik Basu, Amit Bhaduri, Debraj & Ray, Bardhan, Prajit Dutta, the list is long.... all are bongs[:)]. ]
Precisely why Economics is called the Dismal Science!
Harry Truman once said that he would like to have some one-armed economists because of the tendency of economists to hedge their bets by saying ``on the one hand..... but on the other.....``. I am all for chopping off one hand from each economist!
#55 Posted by VRV on August 30, 2006 4:33:26 pm
Re: # 31
Mr. Majumdar
In my Dept, both the Economics Professors of Indian origin are Bengalis. You can go to any Economics department in any part of the world and u find Bengali professors. Even you can see the research journal www.jstor.org and access, what you find are Bengali professors! Amartyada, Kaushik Basu, Amit Bhaduri, Debraj & Ray, Bardhan, Prajit Dutta, the list is long.... all are bongs[:)].
Whenever I am in Aldwych, I always peep into to LSE to see Amrtyada`s photograph as one of the erstwhile staff of LSE who won the Nobel Prize. I dont understand the tirade of some guys here!
Mr. Majumdar
In my Dept, both the Economics Professors of Indian origin are Bengalis. You can go to any Economics department in any part of the world and u find Bengali professors. Even you can see the research journal www.jstor.org and access, what you find are Bengali professors! Amartyada, Kaushik Basu, Amit Bhaduri, Debraj & Ray, Bardhan, Prajit Dutta, the list is long.... all are bongs[:)].
Whenever I am in Aldwych, I always peep into to LSE to see Amrtyada`s photograph as one of the erstwhile staff of LSE who won the Nobel Prize. I dont understand the tirade of some guys here!
#54 Posted by harimau on August 30, 2006 3:09:10 pm
Ref friend #27
[Can we use Andman prisoner list as any indicator of true ratio of different communities participation in freedom struggle after 1857?]
Yes, you can and should.
You would notice that people named Sangilikkaruppan, Sudalaikkannu, Masanamuthu, Karuppannasamy, etc., are notoriously absent in the list.
While firebrand revolutionaries in the South were generally sentenced to long jail terms in local jails and/or escaped to French possessions such as Pondicherry, a search of the records would fail to turn up names such as Masanamuthu. Sedition was the usual charge against patriots like Subramania Bharathi, Subramaniam Siva, etc., while those who challenged the commercial interests of the British such as V O Chidambaram Pillai were also generally charged with sedition for their pro-independence activities and sentenced to hara labor.
Masanamuthus who hail the leadership of Doctor Artist Leader Chief Minister the Fund of Compassion (Karunanidhi of Tamil Nadu) tend to forget the fact that he and his cohorts took out a black flag procession on August 15, 1947 protesting the grant of Indian independence.
[Can we use Andman prisoner list as any indicator of true ratio of different communities participation in freedom struggle after 1857?]
Yes, you can and should.
You would notice that people named Sangilikkaruppan, Sudalaikkannu, Masanamuthu, Karuppannasamy, etc., are notoriously absent in the list.
While firebrand revolutionaries in the South were generally sentenced to long jail terms in local jails and/or escaped to French possessions such as Pondicherry, a search of the records would fail to turn up names such as Masanamuthu. Sedition was the usual charge against patriots like Subramania Bharathi, Subramaniam Siva, etc., while those who challenged the commercial interests of the British such as V O Chidambaram Pillai were also generally charged with sedition for their pro-independence activities and sentenced to hara labor.
Masanamuthus who hail the leadership of Doctor Artist Leader Chief Minister the Fund of Compassion (Karunanidhi of Tamil Nadu) tend to forget the fact that he and his cohorts took out a black flag procession on August 15, 1947 protesting the grant of Indian independence.
#53 Posted by harimau on August 30, 2006 2:52:21 pm
Ref echoboom $47
[Urstruly:
Bahadur Shah Zafar was in his late 90`s; he was `I think 103 when he died.]
Bahadur Shah Zafar was born in 1775 and died in 1862. That would make him 82 years old when the Mutiny started in 1857 and 87 when he died.
[The rot had already set in. The real culprits in the whole game were the Anglicised ``reformers`` bothe among hindus & Muslims.]
You are correct about the rot having set in. Bahadur Sha II and several of his predecessors were addicted to opium and wine and couldn`t care less about governing the empire. That is why people like Siraj-ud-Daula could refuse to pay tribute to Delhi which the Mughal Emperor continued to demand and finally the Mughal emperor (an earlier predecessor to Bahaur Shah II) sold the rights to tax revenues from Bengal to the East India Company for, if memory serves me correctly, 5 million pounds sterling. In turn, the British demanded that Siraj-ud-Daula pay them the dues and when Siraj-ud-Daula refused, the British annexed Bengal after the Battle of Plassey in 1757.
I don`t think anybody in the Mughal Court or in the various sultanates was anglicized or was a reformer. In fact, the Muslim nawabs were known to convert by force captured Europeans to Islam and regularly bugger any European male under the age of 12.
[Urstruly:
Bahadur Shah Zafar was in his late 90`s; he was `I think 103 when he died.]
Bahadur Shah Zafar was born in 1775 and died in 1862. That would make him 82 years old when the Mutiny started in 1857 and 87 when he died.
[The rot had already set in. The real culprits in the whole game were the Anglicised ``reformers`` bothe among hindus & Muslims.]
You are correct about the rot having set in. Bahadur Sha II and several of his predecessors were addicted to opium and wine and couldn`t care less about governing the empire. That is why people like Siraj-ud-Daula could refuse to pay tribute to Delhi which the Mughal Emperor continued to demand and finally the Mughal emperor (an earlier predecessor to Bahaur Shah II) sold the rights to tax revenues from Bengal to the East India Company for, if memory serves me correctly, 5 million pounds sterling. In turn, the British demanded that Siraj-ud-Daula pay them the dues and when Siraj-ud-Daula refused, the British annexed Bengal after the Battle of Plassey in 1757.
I don`t think anybody in the Mughal Court or in the various sultanates was anglicized or was a reformer. In fact, the Muslim nawabs were known to convert by force captured Europeans to Islam and regularly bugger any European male under the age of 12.
#52 Posted by harimau on August 30, 2006 2:31:01 pm
Ref majumdar #31
[Harimau,
(The British tortured, killed and maimed but they kept adequate records and were fair and transparent in whom they tried and imprisoned and hanged. )
If you become the PM of India, try, imprison and hang the author, but do maintain proper records. Quality certification, you know.]
The quotes that offend you were written by the author. You might want to direct your post at him if you have disagreements about the adequacy of records, or fairness or transparency of the process.
However, if I become PM of India, I shall keep in mind your request while I try and hang all the worthless adult bongs whose comprehension level is below that of Standard I students. You shall be among the very first.
[Harimau,
(The British tortured, killed and maimed but they kept adequate records and were fair and transparent in whom they tried and imprisoned and hanged. )
If you become the PM of India, try, imprison and hang the author, but do maintain proper records. Quality certification, you know.]
The quotes that offend you were written by the author. You might want to direct your post at him if you have disagreements about the adequacy of records, or fairness or transparency of the process.
However, if I become PM of India, I shall keep in mind your request while I try and hang all the worthless adult bongs whose comprehension level is below that of Standard I students. You shall be among the very first.
#51 Posted by GT on August 30, 2006 7:32:35 am
Re: # 49
Asadi:
There were good things also. For starters, in India and amongst Hindus, the colonial organization induced certain dominant classes to let go (not fully though) their hold on education. The British influence rekindled the spirit of scientific materialism and this in turn helped challenge many of the prevailing politico-moral dogma. The downfall of feudal ethics also started during the British period. These are just a few, but important, starts that the Brits induced. I agree that there is a long way to go.
Regards.
Asadi:
There were good things also. For starters, in India and amongst Hindus, the colonial organization induced certain dominant classes to let go (not fully though) their hold on education. The British influence rekindled the spirit of scientific materialism and this in turn helped challenge many of the prevailing politico-moral dogma. The downfall of feudal ethics also started during the British period. These are just a few, but important, starts that the Brits induced. I agree that there is a long way to go.
Regards.
#49 Posted by masadi on August 29, 2006 11:26:24 pm
I am sure you all know why tahmed is missing from this discussion. In his view colonization was a very good thing for which we should all be grateful to the ``Anglo Saxon`` ethos that rubbed off on mere mortals with dark skin. On the other thread his holiness is arguing that community service will fix global poverty, and when I mention that we need viable economic and state institutions to elimiate the current system that generates povery, he says, it is like blaming the US elite for not washing your face with soap. Know clearly that these are the people, they and their ilk with a colonized mind that are ensuring that our people, and all people of the `third world` stay in their subordiate position in the global arena. Recognize them well for they often cry crocodile tears in showing concern for the poor but due their policy recommendations stab those very people in the back.
#48 Posted by Urstruly on August 29, 2006 7:41:28 am
Netizen
I would agree with Echo that rot had been set up way before Zafar. I think your position is not any different. I think on mega scale it was the failure of a political system that had already outlived it use. Probably after Ashok until Bahadurshah zafar, the local population failed to establish a nationalism based on a federated Hindustan. So it is safe to say that Hindustan was a large land mass with many ``countries`` with in itself. Mughals did manage to keep them under one flag but failed to develop a feeling of nationaism across the board. This nationalsim only emerged after the indegenous population had lost everything.
The British conquest of Hindustan is unique in the history of mankind that, it was a corporate interest and not a nation state that conquered a country. This phenomenon helped Adam Smith write his treatise on laissez faire. So the East India Company first corrupted that treasurers, then patwaris (land clerks), and (Mohtamim) public accountant to weaken a polity from inside. Then they appeared as rescuers by lending huge amount of money to Rajas, and in the end toppled them by using minimum of military force.
The neoclonialism uses the same technique. For example, appointment of a foreign bankers as the head of state of Paksitan and Lebanon, who weaken the state by disastrous economic policies; neocolonialists appear as rescuers with generous aid; and then the final blow.
I would agree with Echo that rot had been set up way before Zafar. I think your position is not any different. I think on mega scale it was the failure of a political system that had already outlived it use. Probably after Ashok until Bahadurshah zafar, the local population failed to establish a nationalism based on a federated Hindustan. So it is safe to say that Hindustan was a large land mass with many ``countries`` with in itself. Mughals did manage to keep them under one flag but failed to develop a feeling of nationaism across the board. This nationalsim only emerged after the indegenous population had lost everything.
The British conquest of Hindustan is unique in the history of mankind that, it was a corporate interest and not a nation state that conquered a country. This phenomenon helped Adam Smith write his treatise on laissez faire. So the East India Company first corrupted that treasurers, then patwaris (land clerks), and (Mohtamim) public accountant to weaken a polity from inside. Then they appeared as rescuers by lending huge amount of money to Rajas, and in the end toppled them by using minimum of military force.
The neoclonialism uses the same technique. For example, appointment of a foreign bankers as the head of state of Paksitan and Lebanon, who weaken the state by disastrous economic policies; neocolonialists appear as rescuers with generous aid; and then the final blow.
#47 Posted by echoboom on August 29, 2006 7:15:42 am
Urstruly:
Bahadur Shah Zafar was in his late 90`s; he was `I think 103 when he died.
The rot had already set in. The real culprits in the whole game were the Anglicised ``reformers``
bothe among hindus & Muslims.
Nowhere in the world any societ has tried to jumpstart & fastforward their culture to eagely become the white-man`s slave.
Colonisation essentially IS slavery. The master wants the fruit of their labor but DOES not want to see hear the laborer. It is far easier tocolonise the minds than ``rule`` thru physical presence.
The house-niggas Control the Field Niggas.
NaSyed Ahmed ( SirSyed to ghulaamaani-Farangi) was the top House Nigga. Ever notice tha in Slaveland he is above reproach? Even Quaid is faigame--not him.
Ever thought why?
Bahadur Shah Zafar was in his late 90`s; he was `I think 103 when he died.
The rot had already set in. The real culprits in the whole game were the Anglicised ``reformers``
bothe among hindus & Muslims.
Nowhere in the world any societ has tried to jumpstart & fastforward their culture to eagely become the white-man`s slave.
Colonisation essentially IS slavery. The master wants the fruit of their labor but DOES not want to see hear the laborer. It is far easier tocolonise the minds than ``rule`` thru physical presence.
The house-niggas Control the Field Niggas.
NaSyed Ahmed ( SirSyed to ghulaamaani-Farangi) was the top House Nigga. Ever notice tha in Slaveland he is above reproach? Even Quaid is faigame--not him.
Ever thought why?
#46 Posted by Netizen on August 29, 2006 7:06:48 am
Re: # 45
urstruly:
``I think the 1857 failed because of poor leadership on part of Bahadur Shah Zafar.``
there are many reasons for the failure of the uprising.
few of them being it was not a coordinated, preplanned rebellion but was more of a outburst affecting only a handful of north indian cities. south iidia was not at all involved. they would have cared less for this rebellion.
for many indian kingdoms brits were an ally against their indian neighbour.
many native groups sided with the brits to subjugate the rebellion.
even after having an upper hand initially they could not have taken the full might of brit military force, provided there were many natives who fought for the brits.
bahadur shah was just a nominal head. it was his misfortune that he accepted the offer to lead.
urstruly:
``I think the 1857 failed because of poor leadership on part of Bahadur Shah Zafar.``
there are many reasons for the failure of the uprising.
few of them being it was not a coordinated, preplanned rebellion but was more of a outburst affecting only a handful of north indian cities. south iidia was not at all involved. they would have cared less for this rebellion.
for many indian kingdoms brits were an ally against their indian neighbour.
many native groups sided with the brits to subjugate the rebellion.
even after having an upper hand initially they could not have taken the full might of brit military force, provided there were many natives who fought for the brits.
bahadur shah was just a nominal head. it was his misfortune that he accepted the offer to lead.
#45 Posted by Urstruly on August 29, 2006 6:48:49 am
Re: # 43
I think the 1857 failed because of poor leadership on part of Bahadur Shah Zafar. He was too old, too tired, and probably too incompetent. But most of all he was accustomed to getting ``pension`` from British for doing nothing.
In Iqbal`s words:
Aey Tair-e-Lahooti, uss rizq say maut achi
Jis rizq say aati ho, parwaz main kotahi
I think the 1857 failed because of poor leadership on part of Bahadur Shah Zafar. He was too old, too tired, and probably too incompetent. But most of all he was accustomed to getting ``pension`` from British for doing nothing.
In Iqbal`s words:
Aey Tair-e-Lahooti, uss rizq say maut achi
Jis rizq say aati ho, parwaz main kotahi
#44 Posted by friend on August 28, 2006 5:58:39 pm
#37
Dear HP
You win man!! No one knows history better than you. Indians didn`t fight enough to win your respect. But now nothing can be done to change that. So be happy with your own idea of history.
Have a nice night.
Dear HP
You win man!! No one knows history better than you. Indians didn`t fight enough to win your respect. But now nothing can be done to change that. So be happy with your own idea of history.
Have a nice night.
#43 Posted by Netizen on August 28, 2006 2:20:52 pm
Re: # 41
``I don`t think that British used to take pleasure in torturing indigenous people. If that was the sole objective then they could have very well done it right on the Indian soil. ``
i am not claiming that. they would care less about any native as long as their interests are not compromised. they didn`t send any tom, dick and harry to andaman but people who were major ``instigators``, potential to create mischief for them. like the commies sending people to siberia.
``The stategy was successful. It was all a part of psychological warfare - else it was impossible for mere 16,000 whites (including military and all) to rule a country of 60 million. ``
these 60 million people were not united as one. there were many fissures that the brits had to only take advantage of.
also the brits relied on diplomacy as much as they did on military.
thats how the british came to rule them in the first place. why do you think the 1857 mutiny was not a success. it was not due to any psychological war. but everyone was looking for his/her own interests. some saw their interests lying along with the brits whereas others clashed with the brits. many also bet on the winning horse.
``I don`t think that British used to take pleasure in torturing indigenous people. If that was the sole objective then they could have very well done it right on the Indian soil. ``
i am not claiming that. they would care less about any native as long as their interests are not compromised. they didn`t send any tom, dick and harry to andaman but people who were major ``instigators``, potential to create mischief for them. like the commies sending people to siberia.
``The stategy was successful. It was all a part of psychological warfare - else it was impossible for mere 16,000 whites (including military and all) to rule a country of 60 million. ``
these 60 million people were not united as one. there were many fissures that the brits had to only take advantage of.
also the brits relied on diplomacy as much as they did on military.
thats how the british came to rule them in the first place. why do you think the 1857 mutiny was not a success. it was not due to any psychological war. but everyone was looking for his/her own interests. some saw their interests lying along with the brits whereas others clashed with the brits. many also bet on the winning horse.
#42 Posted by Netizen on August 28, 2006 2:10:37 pm
Re: # 41
urstruly:
cellular jail was no ordinary prison.
it was meant to break the spirit of a person. by humiliaiton, hunger, torture, merciless beating, hard labor with nowhere to go and no one to come visit you.
may be they could not have done all this in mainland india.
people if not broken would go mad in the jail.
it was meant to break the body and mind of the rebels.
hence it was not about crossing water but the hardship that people were subjected to that created despair and fear about it.
urstruly:
cellular jail was no ordinary prison.
it was meant to break the spirit of a person. by humiliaiton, hunger, torture, merciless beating, hard labor with nowhere to go and no one to come visit you.
may be they could not have done all this in mainland india.
people if not broken would go mad in the jail.
it was meant to break the body and mind of the rebels.
hence it was not about crossing water but the hardship that people were subjected to that created despair and fear about it.
#41 Posted by Urstruly on August 28, 2006 1:25:55 pm
Re: # 40
I don`t think that British used to take pleasure in torturing indigenous people. If that was the sole objective then they could have very well done it right on the Indian soil. The buidling of Malta and Andeman prisons was due to psychological reasons. They needed a place where neither the convicts nor the guards had any contact with local population. That would help maintain an aura of mythical terror in the hearts of people in Hindustan. The stategy was successful. It was all a part of psychological warfare - else it was impossible for mere 16,000 whites (including military and all) to rule a country of 60 million.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Americans have built the dungeons at Guantanomo bay and elsewhere under the guidance of British. Too bad the times have changed. World has shrunk so much that mere exile to far corners of the world did not help create that kind of terror that british were able to create. Hence Americans were forced to time-release the depiction of torture at abu gharaib through the media. I am not very sure how this strategy has worked out against the people whom they are trying to scare.
I don`t think that British used to take pleasure in torturing indigenous people. If that was the sole objective then they could have very well done it right on the Indian soil. The buidling of Malta and Andeman prisons was due to psychological reasons. They needed a place where neither the convicts nor the guards had any contact with local population. That would help maintain an aura of mythical terror in the hearts of people in Hindustan. The stategy was successful. It was all a part of psychological warfare - else it was impossible for mere 16,000 whites (including military and all) to rule a country of 60 million.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Americans have built the dungeons at Guantanomo bay and elsewhere under the guidance of British. Too bad the times have changed. World has shrunk so much that mere exile to far corners of the world did not help create that kind of terror that british were able to create. Hence Americans were forced to time-release the depiction of torture at abu gharaib through the media. I am not very sure how this strategy has worked out against the people whom they are trying to scare.
#40 Posted by Netizen on August 28, 2006 12:57:52 pm
urstruly:
it was true that british ruthlessly killed the rebels. but they didn`t make distinction between hindus, muslims, sikhs. those who opposed them were slaughtered, raped whereas those who were with them got higher ranks.
delhi being the capital and was suppresed brutally. those who were blown to bits were both hindus and muslims, especially when the mutineers had themselves committed ghastly crimes in kanpore like murdering european women and children. have you heard about the ``hole of calcutta`` where people died due to suffocation.
it was retribution with no mercy.
why would they take pains to send someone to cellular jail when the entire city was plundered and raped for a week (by official decress!). when bahadur shahs sons were not spared why would they spare others?
it was true that british ruthlessly killed the rebels. but they didn`t make distinction between hindus, muslims, sikhs. those who opposed them were slaughtered, raped whereas those who were with them got higher ranks.
delhi being the capital and was suppresed brutally. those who were blown to bits were both hindus and muslims, especially when the mutineers had themselves committed ghastly crimes in kanpore like murdering european women and children. have you heard about the ``hole of calcutta`` where people died due to suffocation.
it was retribution with no mercy.
why would they take pains to send someone to cellular jail when the entire city was plundered and raped for a week (by official decress!). when bahadur shahs sons were not spared why would they spare others?
#39 Posted by aslam644 on August 28, 2006 12:48:00 pm
in hindsight all revolutions, freedom and independence struggles have been futile and in vain, mostly they have done more harm than good. usually thy`ve resulted in massacres, refugees, ethnic cleansing, etc.
#38 Posted by Netizen on August 28, 2006 12:47:33 pm
Re: # 35
urstruly:
``Malta, whereas, I am speculating here, the Hindu exiles were sent to Andeman because of the noteriety of pacific ocean in that area as kaala paani and Hindu mythology related to it, to instill fear in the heart of hindu population. ``
what nonsense is this!
as if malta is in hindus backyard. don`t you have to cross water for that?
also even though it was a taboo, many hindus had cross the oceans. how do you think gandhi went to s. africa.
it was called kaala paani because of the despair and hardships. not because it involved simply crossing water!
urstruly:
``Malta, whereas, I am speculating here, the Hindu exiles were sent to Andeman because of the noteriety of pacific ocean in that area as kaala paani and Hindu mythology related to it, to instill fear in the heart of hindu population. ``
what nonsense is this!
as if malta is in hindus backyard. don`t you have to cross water for that?
also even though it was a taboo, many hindus had cross the oceans. how do you think gandhi went to s. africa.
it was called kaala paani because of the despair and hardships. not because it involved simply crossing water!
#37 Posted by HP on August 28, 2006 11:28:28 am
#36,
My dear friend,
I see that you have very limited or no knowledge of history. For you, I will suggest you do more than Google and read some serious stuff.
``Violent struggle in Africa as well as in Vietnam was heavily funded by two sides during cold war. Do you have any examples of anyone funding Indian struggle? ``
Vietnam struggle did not start with the arrival of the US forces or the cold war. Take a wild guess who was in Vietnam before the US.
South Africa struggle started way before anyone was capable of supporting it. Now please name the countries that supported the South African struggle in the early 20th century and in the late 19th century.
This is really pathetic that your knowledge of history is so limited and then you wanna discuss it.
My dear friend,
I see that you have very limited or no knowledge of history. For you, I will suggest you do more than Google and read some serious stuff.
``Violent struggle in Africa as well as in Vietnam was heavily funded by two sides during cold war. Do you have any examples of anyone funding Indian struggle? ``
Vietnam struggle did not start with the arrival of the US forces or the cold war. Take a wild guess who was in Vietnam before the US.
South Africa struggle started way before anyone was capable of supporting it. Now please name the countries that supported the South African struggle in the early 20th century and in the late 19th century.
This is really pathetic that your knowledge of history is so limited and then you wanna discuss it.
#36 Posted by friend on August 28, 2006 10:53:33 am
My dear HP #34
If you do not have fact, say so and don`t hide behind google.
All counteries that you have quoted as examples of a ``real freedom struggle``, got their freedom in aftermath of 2nd world war. Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam are among such countries.
Violent struggle in Africa as well as in Vietnam was heavily funded by two sides during cold war. Do you have any examples of anyone funding Indian struggle?
Come back with some details rather than throwing names of google and yahoo.
If you do not have fact, say so and don`t hide behind google.
All counteries that you have quoted as examples of a ``real freedom struggle``, got their freedom in aftermath of 2nd world war. Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam are among such countries.
Violent struggle in Africa as well as in Vietnam was heavily funded by two sides during cold war. Do you have any examples of anyone funding Indian struggle?
Come back with some details rather than throwing names of google and yahoo.
#35 Posted by Urstruly on August 28, 2006 9:16:59 am
#27 friend
``Can we use Andman prisoner list as any indicator of true ratio of different communities participation in freedom struggle after 1857? ``
That might very well be the case or it may not. If you look at the picture of Andeman jail, the mere size of the establishment does not justify its build for merely 300 prisoners for a time period of 80 years.
It is also not clear from the website information whether the list is a selected list of some assorted prominent prisoners or it is a comprehensive list. But the historical accounts that I have read from our books is that most of the Muslim exiles were sent to Malta, whereas, I am speculating here, the Hindu exiles were sent to Andeman because of the noteriety of pacific ocean in that area as kaala paani and Hindu mythology related to it, to instill fear in the heart of hindu population.
Sometimes ago I was reading a book titled ``Aligarh tahrik : samaji aur siyasi mutalaah`` (The Ali Garh movemnt- A social & political study); which was written by an Indian Muslim named Mazhar Hussain and it was published in Delhi. The book basically chronicles the life of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and his Ali Garh Movement through various stages of time and how national politics was shaping it. The author has mentioned in detail the post 1857 efforts by Syed to establish a better relationship between Muslims and British. In the aftermath of 1857, not only Muslim nobility but the middle class suffered huge losses in life and confiscation of property regardless of whether they took part in the Independence Struggle (of 1857) or not. Muslims were defeated, tortured and humilited thus, and they harbored deep feelings of resentment against the British. Syed`s efforts in those days were in the direction of portraying british as just rulers. His method was to prove to Muslims with facts and figures that British were equal-opportunity-attrocity-committers to both Hindus and Muslims. It was the same defeatist attitude that we see today in certain class of Pakistanis (and Indians) who try to prove with `facts` that West is in fact a friend of Mulsim world. The book shows the actual excerpts of Syed`s writing, especially, from his magazine Tehzeeb-ul-Ikhlaq, where he had taken statistice from tens of districts where properties were confiscated. His statistics were something like this - `take, for example, this district X where 926 Hindu properties were confiscated whereas only 775 Muslim properties were confiscated; and you idiot Muslims, you call British unjust?``. Syed Sahib most conveniently sidelined the 15-85% proportion of Hindu Mulsim population.
Like masadi said below, an independent history of Hindustan still has to be written by its own people. This history cannot be wrtitten until we get ourselves out of mental vassalage. Unfortunately, those of us who have freed themselves from the schakles and chains have become nationistists or jingoists. These two tendencies are also anathema to writing an unbiased history.
``Can we use Andman prisoner list as any indicator of true ratio of different communities participation in freedom struggle after 1857? ``
That might very well be the case or it may not. If you look at the picture of Andeman jail, the mere size of the establishment does not justify its build for merely 300 prisoners for a time period of 80 years.
It is also not clear from the website information whether the list is a selected list of some assorted prominent prisoners or it is a comprehensive list. But the historical accounts that I have read from our books is that most of the Muslim exiles were sent to Malta, whereas, I am speculating here, the Hindu exiles were sent to Andeman because of the noteriety of pacific ocean in that area as kaala paani and Hindu mythology related to it, to instill fear in the heart of hindu population.
Sometimes ago I was reading a book titled ``Aligarh tahrik : samaji aur siyasi mutalaah`` (The Ali Garh movemnt- A social & political study); which was written by an Indian Muslim named Mazhar Hussain and it was published in Delhi. The book basically chronicles the life of Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and his Ali Garh Movement through various stages of time and how national politics was shaping it. The author has mentioned in detail the post 1857 efforts by Syed to establish a better relationship between Muslims and British. In the aftermath of 1857, not only Muslim nobility but the middle class suffered huge losses in life and confiscation of property regardless of whether they took part in the Independence Struggle (of 1857) or not. Muslims were defeated, tortured and humilited thus, and they harbored deep feelings of resentment against the British. Syed`s efforts in those days were in the direction of portraying british as just rulers. His method was to prove to Muslims with facts and figures that British were equal-opportunity-attrocity-committers to both Hindus and Muslims. It was the same defeatist attitude that we see today in certain class of Pakistanis (and Indians) who try to prove with `facts` that West is in fact a friend of Mulsim world. The book shows the actual excerpts of Syed`s writing, especially, from his magazine Tehzeeb-ul-Ikhlaq, where he had taken statistice from tens of districts where properties were confiscated. His statistics were something like this - `take, for example, this district X where 926 Hindu properties were confiscated whereas only 775 Muslim properties were confiscated; and you idiot Muslims, you call British unjust?``. Syed Sahib most conveniently sidelined the 15-85% proportion of Hindu Mulsim population.
Like masadi said below, an independent history of Hindustan still has to be written by its own people. This history cannot be wrtitten until we get ourselves out of mental vassalage. Unfortunately, those of us who have freed themselves from the schakles and chains have become nationistists or jingoists. These two tendencies are also anathema to writing an unbiased history.
#34 Posted by HP on August 28, 2006 8:55:19 am
#33 by friend
I think google is a good tool for you to research that...It is good idea to read abt things yourself before discussing them...
I think google is a good tool for you to research that...It is good idea to read abt things yourself before discussing them...
#33 Posted by friend on August 28, 2006 8:45:19 am
HP #29
My dear friend
Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, South Africa, Rhodesia, and Angola and then try several countries in South America -
Would you also care to publish a timeline of how many countries out of these won their freedom before 1947?
Once you do that, make a list of foreign help available to the freedom movements in these counteries (and compare that to help available to India).
BTW, would you agree that freedom movement in several Latin American counteries and North America was actually a secession from their parent countries.
My dear friend
Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, South Africa, Rhodesia, and Angola and then try several countries in South America -
Would you also care to publish a timeline of how many countries out of these won their freedom before 1947?
Once you do that, make a list of foreign help available to the freedom movements in these counteries (and compare that to help available to India).
BTW, would you agree that freedom movement in several Latin American counteries and North America was actually a secession from their parent countries.
#32 Posted by masadi on August 27, 2006 11:55:14 pm
It is too early to talk about how the freedom struggle was, freedom hasn`t been achieved yet, and so far the performance is poor, the colonized mind is what works to the advantage of the Neo Colonials and keeps this performance poor. When we get rid of that mindset, the freedom struggle that results will be second to none.
#31 Posted by majumdar on August 27, 2006 10:47:35 pm
Harimau,
(The British tortured, killed and maimed but they kept adequate records and were fair and transparent in whom they tried and imprisoned and hanged. )
If you become the PM of India, try, imprison and hang the author, but do maintain proper records. Quality certification, you know.
Regards
(The British tortured, killed and maimed but they kept adequate records and were fair and transparent in whom they tried and imprisoned and hanged. )
If you become the PM of India, try, imprison and hang the author, but do maintain proper records. Quality certification, you know.
Regards
#30 Posted by majumdar on August 27, 2006 10:43:30 pm
HP sain,
(The Indian freedom struggle at best can be called sissy or khasi. )
The true Indian freedom struggle was actually fought by what Manto would describe as our fellow Aryans- the Nazis.
Regards
(The Indian freedom struggle at best can be called sissy or khasi. )
The true Indian freedom struggle was actually fought by what Manto would describe as our fellow Aryans- the Nazis.
Regards
#29 Posted by HP on August 27, 2006 9:59:50 pm
#27 by friend
“Please quote examples of valor and vigor in other freedom movements.”
I thought no one would need examples…I believe world history is not a popular subject around here…
Start with Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, South Africa, Rhodesia, and Angola and then try several countries in South America. These are just a few names that came to me in less than couple of seconds.
#28 Posted by harimau on August 27, 2006 7:23:58 pm
Ref echoboom #5
[Shantanu Dutta
You write in your intro:
..``Additionally as a Christian and part of a minority community he tries to view things from the perspective of the underdog....``
That short sentence has spoken volumes about life in India for you.]
No bishop of the Christian Church in Indi hs committed suicide on the steps of the courthouse, unlike in Lahore.
That should speak volumes about the state of minorities in Pakistan but probably you feel that minorities deserve their fate for living in Pakistan.
We haven`t had Azharuddin convert to Hinduism in India. Or Shah Rukh Khan.
Unlike Yousuf Yohanna.
But I suppose you would claim that Yousuf Yohanna saw the light.
Have you no shame?
[Shantanu Dutta
You write in your intro:
..``Additionally as a Christian and part of a minority community he tries to view things from the perspective of the underdog....``
That short sentence has spoken volumes about life in India for you.]
No bishop of the Christian Church in Indi hs committed suicide on the steps of the courthouse, unlike in Lahore.
That should speak volumes about the state of minorities in Pakistan but probably you feel that minorities deserve their fate for living in Pakistan.
We haven`t had Azharuddin convert to Hinduism in India. Or Shah Rukh Khan.
Unlike Yousuf Yohanna.
But I suppose you would claim that Yousuf Yohanna saw the light.
Have you no shame?
#27 Posted by friend on August 27, 2006 4:13:06 pm
#21 UrsTruly
Can we use Andman prisoner list as any indicator of true ratio of different communities participation in freedom struggle after 1857? Otherwise I would have expected many more muslim names in this list. If what you write about 1857 is true, perhaps Britishers broke Muslim`s will to fight and struggle. Andaman was reserved for leaders or key players in freedom struggle. Absence of Parsis and Anglo-Indians is not really much surprising. Parsis survived by never getting into controvery and always be on good side of everyone.
PS: I never read anything about dungeons of Malta. Can you provide any references?
HP,
Please quote examples of valor and vigor in other freedom movements.
Can we use Andman prisoner list as any indicator of true ratio of different communities participation in freedom struggle after 1857? Otherwise I would have expected many more muslim names in this list. If what you write about 1857 is true, perhaps Britishers broke Muslim`s will to fight and struggle. Andaman was reserved for leaders or key players in freedom struggle. Absence of Parsis and Anglo-Indians is not really much surprising. Parsis survived by never getting into controvery and always be on good side of everyone.
PS: I never read anything about dungeons of Malta. Can you provide any references?
HP,
Please quote examples of valor and vigor in other freedom movements.
#26 Posted by Netizen on August 27, 2006 12:43:08 pm
Re: # 18
kamath:
below is the link:
http://www.andamancellularjail.org/ListOfRevolutionaries.htm
kamath:
below is the link:
http://www.andamancellularjail.org/ListOfRevolutionaries.htm
#25 Posted by HP on August 27, 2006 11:56:37 am
#24, Urstruly,
I am not into comparison business. Still, when I look at the hard facts and I can find many freedom movements in the world that fought with much more vigor and valor that we saw in India.
Even when we look at the times you are referring to all those fights or small skrimishes lacked the public support. You need to read history with some better glasses.
Korea and Japan are unrelated examples and prolly just by inference you fail to prove your point. Let me repeat this again that the Indian history did not start with the British occupation despite your implications...
I am not into comparison business. Still, when I look at the hard facts and I can find many freedom movements in the world that fought with much more vigor and valor that we saw in India.
Even when we look at the times you are referring to all those fights or small skrimishes lacked the public support. You need to read history with some better glasses.
Korea and Japan are unrelated examples and prolly just by inference you fail to prove your point. Let me repeat this again that the Indian history did not start with the British occupation despite your implications...
#24 Posted by Urstruly on August 27, 2006 10:56:46 am
HP
there is no shallow sentimentalism; my post was addressed to a specific in your post, which was the contention that Indians did not do enough to stay independent. My post showed you a mere glimpse of the attrocities the local population was subjected to. Logically if they didn`t resist they wouldn`t have been subjected to those kind of attrocities now would they? By all measures we can say that Indians did what was humanly possible at the time. But when they couldn`t continue their effort in that direction they changed direction, which resulted in several political and militant movements later on, which resulted in the freedom of the subcontinent. It wasn`t possible unless a large dominanet population wanted freedom. Compare this to the subjugation of Koreans and Japanese by Americans. There is minisclue or non existent sentiment for their freedom. There is no political movement and absolutely no militant movement for the cause of freedom in those to countries. America versus Iraq, Israel vs. Palestinians - enough said.
#23 Posted by HP on August 27, 2006 10:29:09 am
#22,
As usual Urstruly you come out with your trademark shallow sentimentalism.
No one is discounting whatever effort were made and my point was simply that the cost for the foreigners whether they were brits or afghan or Persians was never enough to make them think twice in continuing with the occupation. The Indian subjugation did not start with the British they were the last of several occupiers. Some stayed on to become Indians and the other maintained their ethnic isolation.
As usual Urstruly you come out with your trademark shallow sentimentalism.
No one is discounting whatever effort were made and my point was simply that the cost for the foreigners whether they were brits or afghan or Persians was never enough to make them think twice in continuing with the occupation. The Indian subjugation did not start with the British they were the last of several occupiers. Some stayed on to become Indians and the other maintained their ethnic isolation.
#22 Posted by Urstruly on August 27, 2006 9:56:20 am
Re: # 20 HP
please do not insult the freedom fighters and write your contentions after doing some minimum degree of research. I suggest that you read a history written by white man himself; since local slaves, Hindus and Muslims were prohibited to write any account of ``Ghadar`` (revolt) that would shed negetive light on British masters under penalty of law. Just to give you an idea, the ``mutiny`` lasted for three and half years pockets of resistence throughout the Northern India contrary to the popular belief that just as british conquered Delhi, the mutiny was over. British were trapped in Boer wars in Africa during the tim. But when they sent the reinforcements finally from Calcutta to Kanpur. These forces marched from Kanpur to Delhi, a 350 mile stretch, while crucifying every living being that was coloured, women, children, and men, villages burnt, populace raped. The crufixes were installed all along the Kanpur-Delhi highway; a scene that would remind you of the movie Spartacus. During that time a new phrase entered into the local diction, which is ``Kaali Aandhi`` ( Black Strom). The phrase kaali aandhi referred to the spate of attrocities the British committed against local population during that march. This account can be verified by any respectable British historians account of the ``Mutiny``.
It is OK if in that kind of oppression your ancesstors chose sides to stay alive. It is understandable. But that extent of oppression is no more. There is no reason to spite your brethern anymore. I urge all to shed the shackles and chains of mental vassalage and feel yourself free. Raise your head high and take pride in those who chose to die rather than surrender to the tyranny.
please do not insult the freedom fighters and write your contentions after doing some minimum degree of research. I suggest that you read a history written by white man himself; since local slaves, Hindus and Muslims were prohibited to write any account of ``Ghadar`` (revolt) that would shed negetive light on British masters under penalty of law. Just to give you an idea, the ``mutiny`` lasted for three and half years pockets of resistence throughout the Northern India contrary to the popular belief that just as british conquered Delhi, the mutiny was over. British were trapped in Boer wars in Africa during the tim. But when they sent the reinforcements finally from Calcutta to Kanpur. These forces marched from Kanpur to Delhi, a 350 mile stretch, while crucifying every living being that was coloured, women, children, and men, villages burnt, populace raped. The crufixes were installed all along the Kanpur-Delhi highway; a scene that would remind you of the movie Spartacus. During that time a new phrase entered into the local diction, which is ``Kaali Aandhi`` ( Black Strom). The phrase kaali aandhi referred to the spate of attrocities the British committed against local population during that march. This account can be verified by any respectable British historians account of the ``Mutiny``.
It is OK if in that kind of oppression your ancesstors chose sides to stay alive. It is understandable. But that extent of oppression is no more. There is no reason to spite your brethern anymore. I urge all to shed the shackles and chains of mental vassalage and feel yourself free. Raise your head high and take pride in those who chose to die rather than surrender to the tyranny.
#21 Posted by Urstruly on August 27, 2006 9:33:30 am
friend
Most of the Muslims were murdered right in the aftermath of the 1857. The picture shows the method. It was necessary since British took over the government from Muslims. According to Mulsim historians in the city of Delhi alone approximately 200 Muslims were hung daliy for several weeks. In addition, most of the Muslim prisoners who survived were sent to the dungeons in the Island of Malta in Mediteranian.
Most of the Muslims were murdered right in the aftermath of the 1857. The picture shows the method. It was necessary since British took over the government from Muslims. According to Mulsim historians in the city of Delhi alone approximately 200 Muslims were hung daliy for several weeks. In addition, most of the Muslim prisoners who survived were sent to the dungeons in the Island of Malta in Mediteranian.
#20 Posted by HP on August 27, 2006 9:29:42 am
If a freedom struggle only sent 300 to 500 people over a period of almost 100 years to a jail which was no where near a gulag in Siberia or other parts of Russia, then that freedom struggle needs to be looked at in its true perspective.
The Indian freedom struggle at best can be called sissy or khasi. Indians overwhelming lacked the desire to be independent. There were very few uneducated and perhaps of peasant origin that showed more courage then the rest of their countrymen. In fact, the lack of intensity and popular public support for the independence led to the partition of the country.
Someone will have to explore the reasons for this but the obvious one being that the majority community in India never had any inclination to stand up for the independent India as the pattern repeated through out the history of at least the last 1000 years when foreigners first took fancy in governing India as they realized that the cost of governing India is much lower than any other country in the world.
#19 Posted by friend on August 27, 2006 9:23:04 am
w.r.t. Netizen`s list of people sent to KalaPani -
Muslims and Christians are almost non-existent in this list!!! Even though muslims were almost 35% of population at that time. why?
Muslims and Christians are almost non-existent in this list!!! Even though muslims were almost 35% of population at that time. why?
#18 Posted by Kamath on August 27, 2006 8:57:00 am
Re: # 10
Hey my friend! Would you be good enough to give the reference , name of the book etc about these cases? I would appreciate it. Thanks
Kamath
Hey my friend! Would you be good enough to give the reference , name of the book etc about these cases? I would appreciate it. Thanks
Kamath
#17 Posted by Urstruly on August 27, 2006 6:31:19 am
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#15 Posted by Netizen on August 26, 2006 2:02:50 pm
Aye mere watan ke loogon, Zara aankh mein bhar lo paani
Jo Shaheed hue hain unki, Zara Yaad karo qurbani
O people of the Motherland, Shed a tear
All those who were martyred, Remember their sacrifice
Jai Hind................
Jo Shaheed hue hain unki, Zara Yaad karo qurbani
O people of the Motherland, Shed a tear
All those who were martyred, Remember their sacrifice
Jai Hind................
#14 Posted by Netizen on August 26, 2006 2:00:40 pm
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22 Shri Khagendra Nath Chaudhuri Bengal alias Suresh Chandra
23 Shri Kinuram Pal Bengal alias Priyanath
24 Shri Kshitish Chandra Sanyal Bengal
25 Shri Madan Mohan Bhowmik Bengal
26 Shri Nagendra Nath Chanda Bengal
27 Shri Nagendra Nath Sarkar Bengal
28 Shri Nani Gopal Mukherji Bengal
29 Shri Naren Ghosh Chaudhuri Bengal
30 Shri Nikhil Ranjan Guha Roy Bengal also between 1932-38
31 Shri Nikunja Behari Pal Bengal
32 Shri Nirapada Roy Bengal
33 Shri Phani Bhusan Roy Bengal
34 Shri Pulin Behari Das Bengal
35 Shri Sachindra Nath Datta Bengal
36 Shri Sachindra Lal Mitra Bengal
37 Shri Sanukul Chatterji Bengal
38 Shri Satish Chandra Chatterji Bhattacharji Bengal
39 Shri Satya Ranjan Basu Bengal
40 Shri Sudhir Chandra Dey Bengal
41 Shri Sudhir Kumar Sarkar Bengal
42 Shri Surendra Nath Biswas Bengal
43 Shri Suresh Chandra Sengupta Bengal
44 Shri Trailakya Chakrabarti Bengal
45 Shri Ullash Kar Datta Bengal
46 Shri Upendra Nath Banerji Bengal
1 Shri Daji Narayan Joshi Bombay
2 Shri Ganesh Damodar Savarkar Bombay
3 Shri Vinayak Damodar Savarkar Bombay
1 Shri Ali Ahmed Siddiqui Punjab
2 Shri Amar Singh Punjab
3 Shri Bhai Paramanand Punjab
4 Shri Bhan Singh Punjab
5 Shri Bishen Singh Punjab
6 Shri Bishen Singh Punjab
7 Shri Bishen Singh Punjab
8 Shri Bishen Singh Punjab
9 Shri Channan Singh Punjab
10 Shri Chattar Singh Punjab
11 Shri Chattar Singh Punjab
12 Shri Chet Ram Punjab
13 Shri Chuher Singh Punjab
14 Shri Gurudah Singh Punjab
15 Shri Gurudit Singh Punjab
16 Shri Gurumukh Singh Punjab
17 Shri Gurumukh Singh Punjab
18 Shri Hardit Singh Punjab
19 Shri Harnam Singh Punjab
20 Shri Hazara Singh Punjab
21 Shri Hidaram Punjab
22 Shri Hirda Singh Punjab
23 Shri Inder Singh Punjab
24 Shri Inder Singh Punjab
25 Shri Jagat Ram Punjab
26 Shri Jawand Singh Punjab
27 Shri Jawla Singh Punjab
28 Shri Jiwan Singh Punjab
29 Shri Kala Singh Punjab
30 Shri Kala Singh Punjab
31 Shri Kapur Singh Punjab
32 Shri Kartar Singh Punjab
33 Shri Kehr Singh Punjab
34 Shri Kehr Singh Punjab
35 Shri Kesar Singh Punjab
36 Shri Kirpa Singh Punjab
37 Shri Kirpal Singh Punjab
38 Shri Kusal Singh Punjab
39 Shri Lakhan Singh Punjab
40 Shri Lal Singh Punjab
41 Shri Lal Singh Punjab
42 Shri Madan Singh Punjab
43 Shri Mangal Singh Punjab
44 Shri Manohar Singh Punjab
45 Shri Munsha Singh Punjab
46 Shri Nand Singh Punjab
47 Shri Nand Singh Punjab
48 Shri Natha Singh Punjab
49 Shri Nehar Singh Punjab
50 Shri Nidhan Singh Punjab
51 Shri Piara Singh Punjab
52 Shri Prithwi Singh Azad Punjab
53 Shri Raja Ram Punjab
54 Shri Ram Raksha Bhale Punjab
55 Shri Ram Saran Das Punjab
56 Shri Randhir Singh Punjab
57 Shri Roda Singh Punjab
58 Shri Rulla Singh Punjab
59 Shri Rurh Singh Punjab
60 Shri Sajjan Singh Punjab
61 Shri Saon Singh Punjab
62 Shri Sher Singh Punjab
63 Shri Shingara Singh Punjab
64 Shri Shiv Singh Punjab
65 Shri Sohan Singh Punjab
66 Shri Sucha Singh Punjab
67 Shri Surain Singh Punjab
68 Shri Surjan Singh Punjab
69 Shri Teja Singh Punjab
70 Shri Thakkar Singh Punjab
71 Shri Udhem Singh Punjab
72 Shri Wasakha Singh Punjab
73 Shri Waswa Singh Punjab
1 Shri Govinda Ram United Province
2 Shri Hoti Lal United Province
3 Shri Ladha Ram United Province
4 Shri Mukhada Babu United Province
5 Shri Mujtaba Husain United Province
6 Shri Nandgopal United Province
7 Shri Paramanand (Jhanshi) United Province
8 Shri Ram Hari United Province
9 Shri Roshan Lal United Province
10 Shri Sachindra Nath Sanyal United Province
1 Shri Abani Bhuan Chakrabarti Bengal
2 Shri Abinash Bhattacharji Bengal
3 Shri Amrita Lal Hazra Bengal
4 Shri Ashutosh Lahiri Bengal
5 Shri Aswani Kumar Basu Bengal
6 Shri Barindra Kumar Ghosh Bengal
7 Shri Bhupendra Nath Ghosh Bengal
8 Shri Bibhuti Bhusan Sarkar Bengal
9 Shri Bidhu Bhusan Dey Bengal
10 Shri Bidhu Bhusan Sarkar Bengal
11 Shri Siren Sen Bengal
12 Shri Brojendra Nath Datta Bengal
13 Shri Gobinda Chandra Kar Bengal
14 Shri Gopendra Lal Roy Bengal
15 Shri Harendra Bhattacharjee Bengal
16 Shri Hem Chandra Das (Kanungo) Bengal
17 Shri Hrishikesh Kanjilal Bengal
18 Shri Indu Bhusan Roy Bengal
19 Shri Jatindra Nath Nandi Bengal
20 Shri Jyotish Chandra Paul Bengal
21 Shri Kalidas Ghosh Bengal
22 Shri Khagendra Nath Chaudhuri Bengal alias Suresh Chandra
23 Shri Kinuram Pal Bengal alias Priyanath
24 Shri Kshitish Chandra Sanyal Bengal
25 Shri Madan Mohan Bhowmik Bengal
26 Shri Nagendra Nath Chanda Bengal
27 Shri Nagendra Nath Sarkar Bengal
28 Shri Nani Gopal Mukherji Bengal
29 Shri Naren Ghosh Chaudhuri Bengal
30 Shri Nikhil Ranjan Guha Roy Bengal also between 1932-38
31 Shri Nikunja Behari Pal Bengal
32 Shri Nirapada Roy Bengal
33 Shri Phani Bhusan Roy Bengal
34 Shri Pulin Behari Das Bengal
35 Shri Sachindra Nath Datta Bengal
36 Shri Sachindra Lal Mitra Bengal
37 Shri Sanukul Chatterji Bengal
38 Shri Satish Chandra Chatterji Bhattacharji Bengal
39 Shri Satya Ranjan Basu Bengal
40 Shri Sudhir Chandra Dey Bengal
41 Shri Sudhir Kumar Sarkar Bengal
42 Shri Surendra Nath Biswas Bengal
43 Shri Suresh Chandra Sengupta Bengal
44 Shri Trailakya Chakrabarti Bengal
45 Shri Ullash Kar Datta Bengal
46 Shri Upendra Nath Banerji Bengal
#11 Posted by Netizen on August 26, 2006 1:58:26 pm
Wahabi Rabels Deported to Andamans (1860 - 1870)
1 Shri Ahmadulla Patan Trial, 1865
2 Shri Amiruddin Maldah Trial, 1870
3 Shri Ibrahim Mandal Rajmahal Trial, 1870
4 Shri Md. Sher Ali
5 Shri Yahya Ali Ambala Trial, 1864
Moplah Rebels Deported to Andamans (1922 - 1924)
1 Shri Neliiparamban Alavi Haji
2 Shri Kolaparamban Kunjalavi
3 Shri Kozhisseri Koya Kutty
4 Shri Ambattuparamban Saidalippa
5 Shri Kayakkatiparambil Kunjeni
6 Shri Machingal Rayin
7 Shri Kuthukallan Kunjara
8 Shri Chungath Athan
9 Shri Variyath Valappil Ahammed Kutty
10 Shri Mattummal Ahammed Kutty
11 Shri Pooyikunnan Marakkar
12 Shri Machincheri Alavi
13 Shri Pokat Koyami
14 Shri Puthampeedikayil Kunjikader Molla
15 Shri Mukri Kunjayammu
16 Shri Poolakuyyil Kunhi Moideen Kutty
17 Shri Poovakundil Alavi
18 Shri Neehiyil Kunjeedu
19 Shri Aripra Pocker
20 Shri Mattummal Marakkar
21 Shri Chakkupurakkal Kutty Hasan
1 Shri Ahmadulla Patan Trial, 1865
2 Shri Amiruddin Maldah Trial, 1870
3 Shri Ibrahim Mandal Rajmahal Trial, 1870
4 Shri Md. Sher Ali
5 Shri Yahya Ali Ambala Trial, 1864
Moplah Rebels Deported to Andamans (1922 - 1924)
1 Shri Neliiparamban Alavi Haji
2 Shri Kolaparamban Kunjalavi
3 Shri Kozhisseri Koya Kutty
4 Shri Ambattuparamban Saidalippa
5 Shri Kayakkatiparambil Kunjeni
6 Shri Machingal Rayin
7 Shri Kuthukallan Kunjara
8 Shri Chungath Athan
9 Shri Variyath Valappil Ahammed Kutty
10 Shri Mattummal Ahammed Kutty
11 Shri Pooyikunnan Marakkar
12 Shri Machincheri Alavi
13 Shri Pokat Koyami
14 Shri Puthampeedikayil Kunjikader Molla
15 Shri Mukri Kunjayammu
16 Shri Poolakuyyil Kunhi Moideen Kutty
17 Shri Poovakundil Alavi
18 Shri Neehiyil Kunjeedu
19 Shri Aripra Pocker
20 Shri Mattummal Marakkar
21 Shri Chakkupurakkal Kutty Hasan
#10 Posted by Netizen on August 26, 2006 1:58:02 pm
In Connection With First War of Independence, 1857
S.No. Title Name Province Comments
1 Shri Alama Fazal Huque U.P.
2 Shri Bahadur Goonburah Assam
3 Shri Bahadur Singh M.P.
4 Shri Bhim Nayek M.P.
5 Shri Devi M.P.
6 Shri Dutiram Barua Assam
7 Shri Dudhnath Tiwari
8 Shri Futta M.P.
9 Shri Garabdas Patel Gujrat
10 Shri Gulab Khan M.P.
11 Shri Hatte Singh Orissa
12 Shri Himanohal Singh U.P.
13 Shri Jawhar Singh M.P.
14 Shri Kura Singh U.P.
15 Shri Liaqat Ali U.P.
16 Shri Loney Singh U.P.
17 Shri Madhu Mallik Assam
18 Shri Maulvi Syed Aluddin Hyderabad
19 Shri Mahibullah M.P.
20 Shri Manju Shah M.P.
21 Shri Maya Ram M.P.
22 Shri Mir Jafar Ali Thanseswari
23 Shri Narayan Bihar
24 Shri Noora M.P.
25 Shri Niranjan Singh
26 Shri Qaim Khan M.P.
27 Shri Sirajuddin M.P.
28 Shri Seikh Formud Ali Assam
29 Shri Venkat Roa M.P.
S.No. Title Name Province Comments
1 Shri Alama Fazal Huque U.P.
2 Shri Bahadur Goonburah Assam
3 Shri Bahadur Singh M.P.
4 Shri Bhim Nayek M.P.
5 Shri Devi M.P.
6 Shri Dutiram Barua Assam
7 Shri Dudhnath Tiwari
8 Shri Futta M.P.
9 Shri Garabdas Patel Gujrat
10 Shri Gulab Khan M.P.
11 Shri Hatte Singh Orissa
12 Shri Himanohal Singh U.P.
13 Shri Jawhar Singh M.P.
14 Shri Kura Singh U.P.
15 Shri Liaqat Ali U.P.
16 Shri Loney Singh U.P.
17 Shri Madhu Mallik Assam
18 Shri Maulvi Syed Aluddin Hyderabad
19 Shri Mahibullah M.P.
20 Shri Manju Shah M.P.
21 Shri Maya Ram M.P.
22 Shri Mir Jafar Ali Thanseswari
23 Shri Narayan Bihar
24 Shri Noora M.P.
25 Shri Niranjan Singh
26 Shri Qaim Khan M.P.
27 Shri Sirajuddin M.P.
28 Shri Seikh Formud Ali Assam
29 Shri Venkat Roa M.P.
#9 Posted by echoboom on August 26, 2006 12:29:51 pm
.#8.............hatred against the baboons.
instead read:.........hatred for the baboons.
instead read:.........hatred for the baboons.
#8 Posted by echoboom on August 26, 2006 12:25:28 pm
Sazaa-i Kalaa Paani, a recent movie, is excellent. A South-India, originally Tamil production, it is very factual--unlike the kiss-anglo-butt Follywood (now Mollywood?) productions.
The music ( Ilyaraja`a? is superb and so is , a usual with south Indian productions, the choreography...
Is it not a shame that very few movies are made in India & Pakistan to nurture & cultivate a healthy hatred against the baboons.....
Before the baboons polluted the shores of India there was not a single case of Hindu-Muslim murder based on religious strife ..yes there were internecine & intranecine warfare between Rajas and Nawabs but never ever on Mohallaa basis. Same thing was true for Sikh Hindu Christain Muslim (sunnishia inclusive) or on the basis of language or culture
EVER!
It is high time the world unites against these thUggs & send them back to the dark ages where they truly belong....
or maybe they`ll all convert to Islam sooner than expected. Then of course there`ll be
no need for such drastic measures... [ this is written precisely for the purpose of flushing out all muslim-haters,non-muslims & impostors of all stripes & dots. It is always nice to see them all lined up for a stripsearch]
The music ( Ilyaraja`a? is superb and so is , a usual with south Indian productions, the choreography...
Is it not a shame that very few movies are made in India & Pakistan to nurture & cultivate a healthy hatred against the baboons.....
Before the baboons polluted the shores of India there was not a single case of Hindu-Muslim murder based on religious strife ..yes there were internecine & intranecine warfare between Rajas and Nawabs but never ever on Mohallaa basis. Same thing was true for Sikh Hindu Christain Muslim (sunnishia inclusive) or on the basis of language or culture
EVER!
It is high time the world unites against these thUggs & send them back to the dark ages where they truly belong....
or maybe they`ll all convert to Islam sooner than expected. Then of course there`ll be
no need for such drastic measures... [ this is written precisely for the purpose of flushing out all muslim-haters,non-muslims & impostors of all stripes & dots. It is always nice to see them all lined up for a stripsearch]
#7 Posted by saharanpuri on August 26, 2006 5:31:19 am
Competitive Massacre
Posted Monday, Sep. 8, 1947
While the orchestra at Lahore`s Falett`s Hotel played quietly for dancing, European guests drank cocktails on the moonlit terrace. Beyond earshot of the music, whole blocks of buildings lay gutted. Streets were bare and silent. Over the deserted railroad station the smell of corpses hung.
One-seventh of Lahore, capital of the Punjab, had been destroyed. Scores of nearby towns and villages had been razed. War—or rather, competitive massacre—between Moslems and Sikhs had reached a pitch of horror that made the Indian Mutiny of 1857 look like a mere street brawl. In two weeks, between 40,000 and 150,000 people had been killed in the Punjab. Most of the bodies were too hacked and charred to be recognized. At least a million were homeless.
``Never during two wars have I seen such sights as I have seen these last two days,`` said a middle-aged British colonel at Lahore airport. ``All those atrocity yarns we used to hear, such as Germans cutting Belgian children`s hands off and raping and then killing women, have suddenly come true in the Punjab during the last week.``
``The Joy of Fraternization.`` For months the Punjab`s communal hatred had been boiling up into slaughter. A previous climax came last spring when hundreds were killed in riots there (TIME, March 17). In mid-August the partition of the Punjab between India and Pakistan left 1.6 of the 3.8 million Sikhs in the province under Moslem rule; at least twice as many Moslems remained on the Indian side of the border in a new East Punjab state.
The Sikhs are an offshoot of the Hindu religion; they organized 300 years ago to resist militantly Moslem oppression. The British had used the warlike Sikhs extensively, giving them land and offices, especially in the fertile, predominantly Moslem West Punjab. In consequence, the Moslems hate Sikhs far more than they do Hindus.
The rest of India was relatively quiet. In once turbulent Calcutta, Mohandas K. Gandhi, still striving for Hindu-Moslem unity, was able to write of the situation there: ``One might almost say the joy of fraternization is leaping up from hour to hour.``
There was no fraternization in the Punjab. At Amritsar, on the Indian side of the border, organized gangs of Sikhs had exterminated or driven out the Moslem minority population (150,000). Moslems in Lahore and other Pakistan border regions retaliated against the Hindus and Sikhs there.
Mohamed Ali Jinnah, who had conceived Pakistan in hatred and was now its president and undisputed boss, sent to the West Punjab as governor his faithful follower, the Khan of Momdot. The bland, moonfaced Khan had served four years in the Punjab Legislative Assembly without opening his mouth. When he got to the West Punjab, he acted. With his province literally in flames, the Khan of Momdot relaxed regulations that had restricted the carrying of firearms; he also decreed that every man could wear a sword, provided it was covered.
Some of his subordinates went further. The Moslem deputy commissioner of one of the Western Punjab districts mourned a son killed on the Indian side of the border. Said he to the young Moslems: ``You have full liberty to go the limit.
Take revenge as you like, but if there is one Hindu or Sikh left alive in my district after you are through, I swear to kill them myself.``
The Canal Turned Pink. TIME Correspondent Robert Neville flew over the area last week, then talked with refugees and correspondents fleeing from the carnage. Neville cabled:
``Just flying over the Punjab today with a landing here & there gives a feeling that terrible things have happened below. The number of smoking villages that can be counted from Ambala up to Lahore must be at least 150. Here & there can be seen a big town like Sialkot and Gujranwala, where charred black districts tell the story that here the property of one entire community was wiped out.
``The panorama of West Punjab seems even worse. In hitherto peaceful districts like Montgomery and Lyallpur there is not one town which has not been a battlefield. There is no bazaar which has not been burned out. Streams of refugees can be seen approaching all bridges, and over some roads they form virtual convoys miles long. On a ten-mile stretch of road leading to the big bridge over the Sutlej River into Pakistan, there must have been 100,000 people, most of them walking beside bullock carts piled high with their sole possessions.
``At Lahore`s Central Station, Sikh and Hindu refugees from North or West Punjab were mobbed on the platform, often stabbed to death and their few belongings looted. A major incident involved a big convoy carrying perhaps 1,000 from Sialkot to Amritsar. The convoy was stopped and attacked at the Ravi River bridge. Hundreds were stabbed to death and other hundreds wounded.
``Refugees from Lyallpur in West Punjab say that so many Sikhs and Hindus were murdered and their bodies thrown into the canal that the canal actually had a pinkish color for a day after. Moslem refugees told how Sikhs stripped and paraded Moslem women through the streets, raped them and then killed them. British correspondents reported having seen dead, naked women lying about villages of the Amritsar district.``
A Look of Satisfaction. ``Although railway administrations of both Dominions have doggedly tried to keep a skeleton schedule going, they have now given up. For days on end no trains arrived in Delhi without having been attacked and looted practically all along the route.
``Near Jullundur, a band of Sikhs held up a train, methodically searched all compartments and pulled out 17 Moslems, whom they beheaded on the platform. Most amazing of all was the look of bland satisfaction on the faces of these young Sikh men, their hands dripping blood, their clothes smeared with blood, as they stood and grinned at their handiwork while the train finally pulled out. The only Moslems who escaped on this trip were two who were hidden by two British officers under their baggage.
``A British correspondent traveling in the opposite direction through this territory saw half a dozen lying stabbed on the Lahore platform, slowly dying without any help being given. Later that night, on a small siding south of Amritsar, a band of Sikhs entered his compartment and before his eyes beheaded a Moslem apparently trying to travel disguised as a Hindu. (For identification, both sides use the tried and true means of seeing whether there has been circumcision. Moslems always circumcize, the Hindus and Sikhs practically never.)
``A member of the U.S. Embassy arrived in Lahore from Delhi with another tale of horror. Reaching the small station of Okara, near Montgomery, he found the station platform utterly deserted except for several hundred dead Hindus and Sikhs lying around the platform, apparently slaughtered only a few hours before while waiting for the train to escape. All these people were workers in a textile mill which had been attacked by Moslems. Their bodies were mostly stripped and in several instances limbs had been torn from the bodies. The wife of a British textile factory manager told how a Moslem mob had attacked the Hindu and Sikh workers in another factory. When Moslems broke into the ground floor, the Sikhs slashed the throats of their own wives, and afterwards tried to fight through themselves. All were killed.``
Authorities were utterly unable to cope with the situation. In many cases both Sikh and Moslem police had participated in the riots. British soldiers, present in the Punjab, were not allowed to interfere under the arrangements now in force for Indian independence.
No Plans. For the homeless, crippled refugees, no one had anticipated relief measures. In New Delhi a penniless Hindu woman from the West Punjab clutched her two children, told of her husband`s murder by Moslems. ``Don`t ask her about her plans,`` cautioned a welfare official, ``she hasn`t any and neither have we.``
The rioting was breaking down railroad traffic between parts of India and Pakistan. Unless it was soon restored, both nations, especially Pakistan, would be economically crippled. Fearing that the Punjab rioting would spread, millions of Hindus and Moslems prepared to cross borders in a transfer of population greater than Europe had ever seen.
In his new capital, Karachi, Jinnah preached that ``restraint is necessary.`` However, the fires of communal hatred, which he had fanned for 20 years, were burning too brightly in the Punjab to be easily stifled. They might spread
From the Sep. 8, 1947 issue of TIME magazine
Posted Monday, Sep. 8, 1947
While the orchestra at Lahore`s Falett`s Hotel played quietly for dancing, European guests drank cocktails on the moonlit terrace. Beyond earshot of the music, whole blocks of buildings lay gutted. Streets were bare and silent. Over the deserted railroad station the smell of corpses hung.
One-seventh of Lahore, capital of the Punjab, had been destroyed. Scores of nearby towns and villages had been razed. War—or rather, competitive massacre—between Moslems and Sikhs had reached a pitch of horror that made the Indian Mutiny of 1857 look like a mere street brawl. In two weeks, between 40,000 and 150,000 people had been killed in the Punjab. Most of the bodies were too hacked and charred to be recognized. At least a million were homeless.
``Never during two wars have I seen such sights as I have seen these last two days,`` said a middle-aged British colonel at Lahore airport. ``All those atrocity yarns we used to hear, such as Germans cutting Belgian children`s hands off and raping and then killing women, have suddenly come true in the Punjab during the last week.``
``The Joy of Fraternization.`` For months the Punjab`s communal hatred had been boiling up into slaughter. A previous climax came last spring when hundreds were killed in riots there (TIME, March 17). In mid-August the partition of the Punjab between India and Pakistan left 1.6 of the 3.8 million Sikhs in the province under Moslem rule; at least twice as many Moslems remained on the Indian side of the border in a new East Punjab state.
The Sikhs are an offshoot of the Hindu religion; they organized 300 years ago to resist militantly Moslem oppression. The British had used the warlike Sikhs extensively, giving them land and offices, especially in the fertile, predominantly Moslem West Punjab. In consequence, the Moslems hate Sikhs far more than they do Hindus.
The rest of India was relatively quiet. In once turbulent Calcutta, Mohandas K. Gandhi, still striving for Hindu-Moslem unity, was able to write of the situation there: ``One might almost say the joy of fraternization is leaping up from hour to hour.``
There was no fraternization in the Punjab. At Amritsar, on the Indian side of the border, organized gangs of Sikhs had exterminated or driven out the Moslem minority population (150,000). Moslems in Lahore and other Pakistan border regions retaliated against the Hindus and Sikhs there.
Mohamed Ali Jinnah, who had conceived Pakistan in hatred and was now its president and undisputed boss, sent to the West Punjab as governor his faithful follower, the Khan of Momdot. The bland, moonfaced Khan had served four years in the Punjab Legislative Assembly without opening his mouth. When he got to the West Punjab, he acted. With his province literally in flames, the Khan of Momdot relaxed regulations that had restricted the carrying of firearms; he also decreed that every man could wear a sword, provided it was covered.
Some of his subordinates went further. The Moslem deputy commissioner of one of the Western Punjab districts mourned a son killed on the Indian side of the border. Said he to the young Moslems: ``You have full liberty to go the limit.
Take revenge as you like, but if there is one Hindu or Sikh left alive in my district after you are through, I swear to kill them myself.``
The Canal Turned Pink. TIME Correspondent Robert Neville flew over the area last week, then talked with refugees and correspondents fleeing from the carnage. Neville cabled:
``Just flying over the Punjab today with a landing here & there gives a feeling that terrible things have happened below. The number of smoking villages that can be counted from Ambala up to Lahore must be at least 150. Here & there can be seen a big town like Sialkot and Gujranwala, where charred black districts tell the story that here the property of one entire community was wiped out.
``The panorama of West Punjab seems even worse. In hitherto peaceful districts like Montgomery and Lyallpur there is not one town which has not been a battlefield. There is no bazaar which has not been burned out. Streams of refugees can be seen approaching all bridges, and over some roads they form virtual convoys miles long. On a ten-mile stretch of road leading to the big bridge over the Sutlej River into Pakistan, there must have been 100,000 people, most of them walking beside bullock carts piled high with their sole possessions.
``At Lahore`s Central Station, Sikh and Hindu refugees from North or West Punjab were mobbed on the platform, often stabbed to death and their few belongings looted. A major incident involved a big convoy carrying perhaps 1,000 from Sialkot to Amritsar. The convoy was stopped and attacked at the Ravi River bridge. Hundreds were stabbed to death and other hundreds wounded.
``Refugees from Lyallpur in West Punjab say that so many Sikhs and Hindus were murdered and their bodies thrown into the canal that the canal actually had a pinkish color for a day after. Moslem refugees told how Sikhs stripped and paraded Moslem women through the streets, raped them and then killed them. British correspondents reported having seen dead, naked women lying about villages of the Amritsar district.``
A Look of Satisfaction. ``Although railway administrations of both Dominions have doggedly tried to keep a skeleton schedule going, they have now given up. For days on end no trains arrived in Delhi without having been attacked and looted practically all along the route.
``Near Jullundur, a band of Sikhs held up a train, methodically searched all compartments and pulled out 17 Moslems, whom they beheaded on the platform. Most amazing of all was the look of bland satisfaction on the faces of these young Sikh men, their hands dripping blood, their clothes smeared with blood, as they stood and grinned at their handiwork while the train finally pulled out. The only Moslems who escaped on this trip were two who were hidden by two British officers under their baggage.
``A British correspondent traveling in the opposite direction through this territory saw half a dozen lying stabbed on the Lahore platform, slowly dying without any help being given. Later that night, on a small siding south of Amritsar, a band of Sikhs entered his compartment and before his eyes beheaded a Moslem apparently trying to travel disguised as a Hindu. (For identification, both sides use the tried and true means of seeing whether there has been circumcision. Moslems always circumcize, the Hindus and Sikhs practically never.)
``A member of the U.S. Embassy arrived in Lahore from Delhi with another tale of horror. Reaching the small station of Okara, near Montgomery, he found the station platform utterly deserted except for several hundred dead Hindus and Sikhs lying around the platform, apparently slaughtered only a few hours before while waiting for the train to escape. All these people were workers in a textile mill which had been attacked by Moslems. Their bodies were mostly stripped and in several instances limbs had been torn from the bodies. The wife of a British textile factory manager told how a Moslem mob had attacked the Hindu and Sikh workers in another factory. When Moslems broke into the ground floor, the Sikhs slashed the throats of their own wives, and afterwards tried to fight through themselves. All were killed.``
Authorities were utterly unable to cope with the situation. In many cases both Sikh and Moslem police had participated in the riots. British soldiers, present in the Punjab, were not allowed to interfere under the arrangements now in force for Indian independence.
No Plans. For the homeless, crippled refugees, no one had anticipated relief measures. In New Delhi a penniless Hindu woman from the West Punjab clutched her two children, told of her husband`s murder by Moslems. ``Don`t ask her about her plans,`` cautioned a welfare official, ``she hasn`t any and neither have we.``
The rioting was breaking down railroad traffic between parts of India and Pakistan. Unless it was soon restored, both nations, especially Pakistan, would be economically crippled. Fearing that the Punjab rioting would spread, millions of Hindus and Moslems prepared to cross borders in a transfer of population greater than Europe had ever seen.
In his new capital, Karachi, Jinnah preached that ``restraint is necessary.`` However, the fires of communal hatred, which he had fanned for 20 years, were burning too brightly in the Punjab to be easily stifled. They might spread
From the Sep. 8, 1947 issue of TIME magazine
#6 Posted by ali_1 on August 25, 2006 3:52:59 pm
Record Number: 14210
Shelfmark: OIOC Photo 127/(99)
Page Folio Number: -
Description: A half-length, seated, oval carte-de-visite portrait of Sher Ali, the assassin of Lord Mayo.
The night of 8th February, 1872 was a historical one for the Andaman Islands. These islands are found in the Bay of Bengal and are also referred to as `Kala Pani`. During the British Rule, those prisoners who had received life in prison would be boarded off to these islands. These prisoners would than pass their life doing hard labour for the British.
The Viceroy`s arrival was welcomed with 21 cannon fires and the officers lined up to meet him. He spent his entire day touring the workshops, barracks, and factories of the Prisoners where they dwelled and worked. At night fall he was taken to a small mountain on the Island called Mount Harriet. The place was quite high and had been renovated to depict somewhat of a tourist resort for the special guests. There, he marvelled the beauties of the Island and witnessed sunset from atop Mount Harriett. So much was he immersed in the surroundings and activities that darkness totally prevailed. It was then that he decided to go back. On the way there was a small bridge called `Hope Town Bridge` through which he had to pass in order to board a launch that was ready for carrying him back to the Royal Navy Ship where he would be spending his night. Two men with torches were walking ahead of him to light up the path and his private secretaries and bodyguards were on either sides of him. An armed police guard was following them as well. But these were traditional methods and the Viceroy and his secretaries were walking with their own pace enjoying their trip.
As soon as they boarded the small ship, a noise was heard. When the private secretary looked back he saw that a man was stabbing the viceroy in his back. The security personnel reacted immediately and pounded on the attacker and snatched the knife from his hands. The private secretary succeeded in saving the life of the attacker who was a prisoner, otherwise the security personnel were ready to kill him. In all this mayhem, the torch lights also died out creating an atmosphere of fear. When the torches were lit, they saw that the Viceroy had fallen down the tier after being stabbed. He was wiping his face with his handkerchief and told the secretary that he was injured and would be fine because the wounds were not big.
When the torches were relit and brought near the viceroy, they found out that his coat was torn from the back and blood was oozing out like a small stream from the wound. Everybody immediately tried to control the blood with their handkerchiefs. For two-three minutes, the viceroy tried to keep his balance but then his feet started to shake and he fell. He tried to get back up on his feet again and managed to tell somebody, ``Hold my Head``. These were his last words after which he died.
The Viceroy`s body was carried back to the ship. By the time the doctors examined the body, it was too late. The wounds were there stretching from his back to his chest. They were just too deep and nobody could have survived it. Lord Meo was a huge and strong man therefore he managed himself for some while before dying. A man of ordinary build would have died straight away.
This assassination attempt was made by a prisoner `Sher Ali Afridi`. He belonged to Tirah Valley in Khyber Agency. He worked for the Commissioner of Peshawar. By nature, Sher Ali was a kind man but a family feud had brought him to this situation. Two clans of his Tribe were having an enmity with one another since ages. Whomever of them had an opportunity, they would kill their rivals. Many precious lives were lost under the custom of `Revenge`. One day, Sher Ali saw his `Tarboor` (Cousin) in the Peshawar Cantonment near Company Bagh where his office was located. Sher Ali reacted immediately and killed him on the spot. A murder like this right under the nose of the Commissioner of Peshawar was not to go unnoticed. Sher Ali was arrested immediately and a case was booked against him.
Sher Ali was a man who gave great respect to everybody. The English officers were served well by him. He was under the impression that due to his past services, the English officers would be lenient towards him and may possibly be let go. But unexpected to him, the courts announced the death penalty for him on the 2nd of April, 1867.
His overall nature was well cultured even after receiving the death penalty. Moreover, he had served the British well in the Ambela War. Because of these reasons, his death penalty was switched to life in prison at Habs e Dawam on the other banks of River `Showr`; also known as Kalapani when he made an appeal. In 1869, he reached the Andaman islands to serve his sentence. By this time, he had already made up his mind to kill a high ranking English Officer for revenge.
Sher Ali Afridi was evidently a very religious person. His officers have noted that he used to pray five times a day as well as fast regularly. The little amount of money that he would earn while serving at the prison would always be given away to other poor prisoners as charity. Moreover, every second or third month he would provide some food for the orphaned prisoners as well. Such a character was obviously very popular amongst the prisoners and even the prison officers treated him with respect. The officers did not strictly monitor his activities because of this reason as well. It was not long that he was appointed as a barber for the labourers in the prison.
Lord Meo`s murder sent shockwaves throughout the British Empire. Forensic Investigative Teams reached Andaman and started their work there. The British Government was under the impression that this murder was part of a big conspiracy against the empire. By pure chance, a leading figure of the Tehreek e Mujahideen, Muhammad Ja`far Thanesri was serving his sentence at Andaman as well when this murder happened. The British Government was convinced that Maulvi Muhammad Jafar and other Mujahideen serving their prison sentences had somehow convinced Sher Ali to carry on this attack. Many experienced Investigative Officers were appointed this task to somehow find a link to the Mujahideen leaders. One such officer was Aishwari Prasad who was famous for embroiling Mujahideen leaders in false cases. He had gradually gained popularity with the British with his connivance and was now the Deputy Collector of Suraj Garh. Prasad tried his level best to involve the Mujahideen leaders in this case who were already serving sentences for rebelling against the British Empire.
Sher Ali Afridi told the courts that he had waited for almost all day near the small ship where the viceroy would be boarded in order to be transferred to his lodgings. He was under the impression that the viceroy would simply not come because it was too late. Given no chance of attack, he left the site and went to Mount Harriett. He was not aware that the viceroy would enjoy sunset at Andaman from the Mount. Now fully aware of the program, Sher Ali rushed back to the place where he had waited. Fate itself drove the viceroy right to his death. Sher Ali was by no means a strong man and simplicity was written all over his face. Nobody would even have imagined that such a small man would be successful in killing the well built, six foot viceroy. But that was exactly what had happened.
In ``Sarguzasht e Mujahideen``, Maulana Ghulam Rasool Mahar explains the incident in great detail:
``Sher Ali was a man who would come down to anything to fulfil his ambitions. On one occasion, he had broken his heavy chains and handcuffs that were meant to restrain him and injured a prison guard after snatching his rifle. After killing the viceroy, he was asked by the courts about who had hired him to do this job. He would simply reply that I killed him by the Order of Allah!``
Sher Ali was again tried for murder and was given the death penalty once again. On the 11th of March 1873, when he was brought to the gallows, there was a look of satisfaction in his eyes. He kissed the rope from which he would be hanged and exclaimed, ``When I made this intention [of killing the viceroy], I had already envisioned myself over here``. He addressed the Muslims who had come to watch the penalty being enforced, ``Brothers, I killed your enemy. You be witness that I am a Muslim.`` With this, he recited the Kalma Shahadah. Twice he was able to complete it. The third time, he was not able to do so because of suffocation.
The British did not stop at this only. Although no link had been found that could involve the Mujahideen prisoners in this case, their period of length at prison was increased by ten years.
#5 Posted by echoboom on August 25, 2006 3:52:51 pm
Shantanu Dutta
You write in your intro:
..``Additionally as a Christian and part of a minority community he tries to view things from the perspective of the underdog....``
That short sentence has spoken volumes about life in India for you.
I thank you for writing this.
I am not aware of any christian, Parsi, or any of the anglo-ed class of Muslims, Sikhs, or Hindus doing anything to free India from the British Baboons. The paper-hyenas like Nehru Gandhi Patel or Jinnah mean Zilch to me--
(though I do consider Jinnah to be honest & uncorruptible to a fault (hence :``stubborn`` rigid`` etc--It is always such kind who earn such accolades; never the business-types--LAHAUL-vila-Quvvat.)
It is all the more commendable that you, a christian, had the decency to write this under-the-rug history. I am ashamed to admit that the Uniformed Langoors of Pakistan ( Musharraf & the Cantonement & Colony Canines of Pakistan turned down Mr. Atil Bihari Bajpai`s request to commemmorate May 10, 6157 as a COMMON anniversary when the first shot zingged out of Meerut Chhaoni to ask the Baboons to start packing.
You will soon notice that the Britto-Baboon rump-lickers would never utter a word against their masters although they have all kind of epithets reserved for Arabs, muslims, & mullahs. Four Your info. the quadiyanis were advised to be loyal to the BrittoBaboons & henec to this day Quadianis like Sattar2, t32, and h2 will never ever badmouth their masters...(this is a CLEAR giveaway of a Quadiani; when they deny being a Quadiani, they are mincing words becaue they consider THEMSELVES muslims & others non-muslims; hence they throw dust in other`s eyes. They must cleally announce that Mirza Ghulam-i Farangi was an IMPOSTOR & that Muhammad is the last messenger--until they refuse to do that & continue to be on the side of their masters, they will be stripsearched as & when necessary.
Urstruly:
Kala-Pani: the term was hijacked by the Baboons because the Hindus used this word for the oceans.
In their belief system across the black-waters meant Nirgh, the Hades..the place of no-return. This sent terrors into the hearts and minds of hindus. Ironically the largest number of prisoners were muslims & then sikhs..Hindu prisoners were mostly from Bengal & south-India.
P.S: the Sonofabitch from Cantonement Kennels who sell their amma for even less than what the United Satan expects should never be allowed to become apologists for their TopDog. I always carry a weel-oliedwillow switch to use upon them whenever & wherever they show up.
You write in your intro:
..``Additionally as a Christian and part of a minority community he tries to view things from the perspective of the underdog....``
That short sentence has spoken volumes about life in India for you.
I thank you for writing this.
I am not aware of any christian, Parsi, or any of the anglo-ed class of Muslims, Sikhs, or Hindus doing anything to free India from the British Baboons. The paper-hyenas like Nehru Gandhi Patel or Jinnah mean Zilch to me--
(though I do consider Jinnah to be honest & uncorruptible to a fault (hence :``stubborn`` rigid`` etc--It is always such kind who earn such accolades; never the business-types--LAHAUL-vila-Quvvat.)
It is all the more commendable that you, a christian, had the decency to write this under-the-rug history. I am ashamed to admit that the Uniformed Langoors of Pakistan ( Musharraf & the Cantonement & Colony Canines of Pakistan turned down Mr. Atil Bihari Bajpai`s request to commemmorate May 10, 6157 as a COMMON anniversary when the first shot zingged out of Meerut Chhaoni to ask the Baboons to start packing.
You will soon notice that the Britto-Baboon rump-lickers would never utter a word against their masters although they have all kind of epithets reserved for Arabs, muslims, & mullahs. Four Your info. the quadiyanis were advised to be loyal to the BrittoBaboons & henec to this day Quadianis like Sattar2, t32, and h2 will never ever badmouth their masters...(this is a CLEAR giveaway of a Quadiani; when they deny being a Quadiani, they are mincing words becaue they consider THEMSELVES muslims & others non-muslims; hence they throw dust in other`s eyes. They must cleally announce that Mirza Ghulam-i Farangi was an IMPOSTOR & that Muhammad is the last messenger--until they refuse to do that & continue to be on the side of their masters, they will be stripsearched as & when necessary.
Urstruly:
Kala-Pani: the term was hijacked by the Baboons because the Hindus used this word for the oceans.
In their belief system across the black-waters meant Nirgh, the Hades..the place of no-return. This sent terrors into the hearts and minds of hindus. Ironically the largest number of prisoners were muslims & then sikhs..Hindu prisoners were mostly from Bengal & south-India.
P.S: the Sonofabitch from Cantonement Kennels who sell their amma for even less than what the United Satan expects should never be allowed to become apologists for their TopDog. I always carry a weel-oliedwillow switch to use upon them whenever & wherever they show up.
#4 Posted by Urstruly on August 25, 2006 2:14:28 pm
`This 1857 photograph was published in 1939 by the English newspaper `Picture Post.` It shows the methods used to suppress the Sepoy Rebellion. As an English eyewitness noted at the time: ``The executions occurred summarily and without appeal.```
A TRIBUTE TO ALL SHAHEEDS WHOSE BLOOD IS IN OUR SOIL
Ik Jinay Jamia si, o teri maan ay
dooji teri maan ay, zameen jida naan ay
lay ke meray kolon onay tenu godi pa lia
sadqay main jawan teray, maan kehn walia
hoyon tu shaheed, khat aya teray naan da
puchday nay lok lal si o keri maan da
rab di janab wich sir main jhuka lia
sadqay main jawan teray, maan kehn walia
teray jeaan putran da des Pakistan ay
meray jiaan maanwaan noon jinan utay maan ay
sadqay main jawan teray, maan kehn walia
Translation:
The one who gave you birth is your mother
The land is also your mother
it has taken you from my loving embrace
and placed you in her own lap
May you have my life, Oh you who calls me Mother
When you were killed in battle
the news came in a letter
the people asked `who is the proud mother of this soldier`
I bowed my head in obedience to God`s will
May you have my life, Oh you who calls me Mother
Pakistan is the land of sons like you
of whom mothers like me are proud
May you have my life, Oh you who calls me Mother
#3 Posted by aslam644 on August 25, 2006 1:47:16 pm
mr dutta, that`s only half the story.
the other half is: there were those who fought for the british empire with the last drop of their blood, people like lance naik FAZL DIN who was awarded Victoria cross the highest award for bravery.
FAZL DIN, Naik, V C, 18602. 7th Bn. 10th Baluch Regiment. 2nd March 1945. Age 24. Son of Nur Bakhsh; husband of Sardar Bibi, of 39. The citation in the London Gazette of Husain pur, Hoshiarpur, India. Face 24th May, 1945, gives the following details : In Burma, on 2nd March, 1945, Naik Fazl Din commanded a section during a company attack on a Japanese bunkered position. His section was held up by machine-gun fire and grenades from several bunkers. Unhesitatingly he attacked the nearest position with grenades and silenced it; but as he led his men against the others, six Japanese soldiers rushed from a house near by, led by two officers wielding swords. The section Bren gunner shot one officer and another Japanese soldier, but was killed by the second officer, who next ran his sword through Naik Fazl Din. Despite this terrible wound Naik Fazl Din, seized the sword from the Japanese officer and killed him with it - he killed two more Japanese soldiers, and encouraged his section before staggering to his platoon headquarters to report. He collapsed there, and died soon after reaching the Regimental Aid Post. His action was seen by almost the whole platoon, who, inspired by his gallantry and taking advantage of the bewilderment created among the enemy by the loss of their leaders, continued the attack and destroyed the Japanese garrison. The supreme devotion to duty of this gallant N.C.O. even when fatally wounded, his presence of mind and outstanding courage, can seldom have been equalled, and reflect his unquenchable spirit.
the other half is: there were those who fought for the british empire with the last drop of their blood, people like lance naik FAZL DIN who was awarded Victoria cross the highest award for bravery.
FAZL DIN, Naik, V C, 18602. 7th Bn. 10th Baluch Regiment. 2nd March 1945. Age 24. Son of Nur Bakhsh; husband of Sardar Bibi, of 39. The citation in the London Gazette of Husain pur, Hoshiarpur, India. Face 24th May, 1945, gives the following details : In Burma, on 2nd March, 1945, Naik Fazl Din commanded a section during a company attack on a Japanese bunkered position. His section was held up by machine-gun fire and grenades from several bunkers. Unhesitatingly he attacked the nearest position with grenades and silenced it; but as he led his men against the others, six Japanese soldiers rushed from a house near by, led by two officers wielding swords. The section Bren gunner shot one officer and another Japanese soldier, but was killed by the second officer, who next ran his sword through Naik Fazl Din. Despite this terrible wound Naik Fazl Din, seized the sword from the Japanese officer and killed him with it - he killed two more Japanese soldiers, and encouraged his section before staggering to his platoon headquarters to report. He collapsed there, and died soon after reaching the Regimental Aid Post. His action was seen by almost the whole platoon, who, inspired by his gallantry and taking advantage of the bewilderment created among the enemy by the loss of their leaders, continued the attack and destroyed the Japanese garrison. The supreme devotion to duty of this gallant N.C.O. even when fatally wounded, his presence of mind and outstanding courage, can seldom have been equalled, and reflect his unquenchable spirit.
#2 Posted by Urstruly on August 25, 2006 1:22:50 pm
Mr. Dutta,
Thank you for writing this article. The word `Kala Paani`, which actually referred to exile and incarceration to Andaman Island by british thugs, has been permanently etched in our psyche and diction. But that was not the only dungeon that they had built, another one was built in the Island of Malta; not to mention the slave labor that was forced to be taken to Marituis, Fiji, West Indies, East Indies, Guyana, and African continent. And you are quite truthful to say that humanity has learned nothing from its past. Yes, there is similar opression and torture in present day India and Pakistan, which happens without impunity everyday; but a more appropriate comparison is to the new torture cells and dungeons named Guantanamo Bay, Abu Gharaib and several other un-named around the globe, where humanity is being tortured by neo-colonialism and imperialism once again right now as we speak.
Today we should rise up in honor of all of these unfortunate and condemned souls, from past & present, whose only crime is that they demanded freedom from oppression and torture in their own homelands, and offer them our gratitude and say `THANK YOU. With your selfless courage and sacrifice you have shown us the way. One day we will be free because of you; you were the first raindrops who dared to plunge - THANK YOU``.
SALUTE!!!!!
#1 Posted by pmishra2 on August 25, 2006 12:58:01 pm
Nice web site with a list of most of the revolutionaries who were imprisoned there.
http://www.andamancellularjail.org/Default.htm
http://www.andamancellularjail.org/Default.htm
