Postmortem of Israeli-Hezbollah War – What Next?

Friends...

Maybe this isn`t the place for it, but here it is anyway.

Why did it take me so long to read John Mearsheimer’s and Stephen Walt’s paper “The Israel Lobby?” Many of you may have already it, but if you haven’t I urge you, as strongly as I can, to click on the URL below. There you can select either the longer, unedited version in PDF format or the edited, shorter version. You’ll also find ample critique of the paper, both pro and con. After reading the analysis you should have a much better understanding of just why the U.S.A. invaded Iraq (incidentally that nagging puzzle - at least puzzling for me - of why the 9-11 commission didn’t do its job may also be cleared up).

From the beginning of the U.S.A.`s invasion of Iraq I`ve been adamant that oil was the prime reason for going to war. After reading John Mearsheimer`s and Stephen Walt`s splendid paper I admit that I was grossly wrong.

I urge you to read the paper, available here:

http://www.stopthewarnow.net/warlobbies/harvardpaper.html

Russ

sattar2 #154 {``Do us all a favor and tell us what bothers you about Ahmadis?``}

Sattar Sahib,
What bothers me about Ahmadis is why they put up with the intolerance, myopia, narrow-mindedness, and stupidity of the right-wing fundo whacko Sunni Wahabbis? If someone threw me out of a club, I would start my own club and then club them on the head with it. Just look at the Baha`is and the Druze - they are happy and content without the majority from whom they originated.

zeemax,

If you think qadiani/mirzai is a better description, you should also agree that your ilk are better described as “suicidal maniacs”. Look, your cousin Urstruly is trying to rationalize suicide bombings on the other board. What does this tell you?

It is incorrect to label those who believe in Quran as non-Muslims. It seems “Islam” has been disfigured beyond recognition by your ullema, and now you can no longer tell what is what. Read my previous post to Urstruly as it applies to you (and echo) as well.

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tahmed (#64),

Ahamdi views are consistent with Quranic teachings and I reckon you have misunderstood both. Furthermore, accepting a person as a prophet does not conflict with Quranic view of individual responsibility.

I doubt your viewpoint is well thought-out.

Urstruly,

Do us all a favor and tell us what bothers you about Ahmadis? Merely calling them kaffir or airing hateful rhetoric is not an intelligent response. Try to think before responding.

And while you are at it, do explain this hadith that you yourself quoted, where the dear Prophet (pbuh) said “I am the last prophet and this mosque of mine is the last mosque”. Or at least have the decency to admit that the hadith you quoted proved you wrong. Your failure to admit such blatant errors on your part are very telling.


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echoboom (#62),

Islam permits fighting jihad as a last resort and encourages believers to exhaust all other ways of negotiation and existance. Quran even commands Muslims to migrate to other lands in order to avoid persecution.

It is incorrect to call Ahmadi-Muslims as necessarily “loyal” to British. Ahmadi community has remained committed to peaceful means for resolving political conflicts. They opposed the idea of fighting jihad against British as such jihad would have been in violation of Quranic teachings. Furthermore, Ahmadi community has also opposed Iraq war from the very beginning, if this makes you feel better.

Here’s what I wrote earlier on Chowk. Click away if you must scratch this itch.

Click [Reply #62]

Click [Reply #52]

Correction to Re: # 149

Godhra attackers were on serious charges under IPC but none of the post-Godhra riots are facing charges.

Pl read as

Godhra attackers were on serious charges under IPC but none of the post-Godhra riots are facing SERIOUS charges. Most of the people booked were foot-soldiers but not the kingpins of the respcetive areas.

#151, VRV {``Like you do, I too hate bigots in all religions.``}

VRV Bhai,
When the shalwars, pyjamas, dhotis, pants, and saris are removed from the corpses of the victims of rapes and murders, we are left with the remains of unfortunate beings who are very much like ourselves. Thank you for your compassion and the truth you hold paramount. I have so much respect for people like you. Somehow, I think that we are in a majority - in India, in Pakistan, in the US, UK, and even in Iraq.

Re: # 150

Salimbhai,

Thanks for those words.

I was in Gujarat during those days. KPS Gill the tough cop who recetnly admitted that he had sleeping problems during his Gujarat asignment. He was the guy who`d have seen worse incidents in his life as a polieman than he saw Gujarat. Still he spoke with his mind as a human being. Anthropocentrism!

I did my own research on S6 of Godhra and post-Godhra riots. I knew many details......I prefer not to go further. Of ocurse India is important for me but there is no moral crisis on this. I like India and I like humanism. I rant at people who are Koopastha Mandookams.

Like you do, I too hate bigots in all religions.

VRV #149,
I always knew that you were one decent, honest, and honorable man. It is people like you who restore our faith in our fellow humans. Hopefully, Krishna_abcd will learn something from this ``arjun.`` Thanks.

Re: # 148

Krishna,

I proffer my mind thru email or some other board, not this one. I wrote it but it was too big and too detailed. I was in Ahmedabd on those days and I have photgraphs of Naroda Patiya, Gulberg Society and other places of Ahmedabad and Godhra S6.

I met many journalists in the English and Gujarati press based in Ahd.

On Modi: Anybody lived in Gujarat and have had a detached view of the incidents would feel that Modi was indeed culpable. Sangh was funding the defence of all riot culprits on post-Godhra riots. Jaideep Patel who lead the Naroda Patiya was given state protection and two guys who tried to attack him were killed in a police shoot-out without trail. Godhra attackers were on serious charges under IPC but none of the post-Godhra riots are facing charges. You think Modi is clean?

I prefer not to discuss more on this board.

#146 by VRV

[But, Bombay blasts - given my working assumptions - are interlinked with Pak`s terrorism, extremist Indian Muslims and dickheads like Modi.]

The previous Bombay blasts happened long before anything happened in Modi`s Gujrat. And, as I`ve said many times on Chowk before, it is easy to demonize someone without proof. If what some NGOs and others say about Modi is true then charges should be brought against him (this is the FIRST thing the opposition would do - they have done this many times before). And if found guilty, he should be hanged many times over. But this needs to be PROVED first. In a country like India, where court cases and investigations are done against the most powerful of individuals like Rajiv Gandhi etc. at the drop of a hat, I find it hard to believe that given the ``obvious`` nature of his crimes, no one sought legal action. Even the American Government, in banning Modi, said that they were going by what the UPA govt`s report said, and nothing else.

I`ve looked into newspaper reports of the incident. For every report in the un-Hindu, There are reports in a variety of other newspapers that say otherwise. There is no concrete evidence implicating him that I could find.

If you have concrete information, I would appreciate it if you shared it with me.

[The mainstream extremist thinking in India would eccentuate the problem than solving it. ]

Maybe so.

#142 by qusman1

[Just recognize the Palestinian`s right of return & compensate them for it.
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What say, Gentoos? ]


Would you support the ``right of return`` of Jews and Christians to Mecca and Medina?

If not, why not?

What say you?

Re: # 134

Krishna,

The fears in British public about some radicalised Muslims are true. In fact this Ahle Hadith is spreading very fast. Unfortunately this movement was started in India not in Arabia.

As per HP talking like that. He`s an incorrigible khasi. Ignore him. But, Bombay blasts - given my working assumptions - are interlinked with Pak`s terrorism, extremist Indian Muslims and dickheads like Modi. The mainstream extremist thinking in India would eccentuate the problem than solving it.

Re:masadi#143

[...Since when did behram become the ``lord`` of this domain. The guy is a walking talking contradiction. ...]

I thought this would never happen - but I completely agree with masadi here. Given behram`s extremely filthy, derogatory language about so many people including Indians, he is the last person on earth to pontificate about tolerance and minorities. Behram is nothing more than an uncultured buffoon with a dirty mouth. Masadi, well said!!

#127 by behram1

....a man with a belief or a man with an intellect. Only one of these devices is considered valid to be used at one time....

Nothing could be farther than the truth. These two are not mutually exclusive. One begins where the other ends. And you know which of these ends first due to its severe limitations.