The Death of a Nawab

VRV,

How did you come to the conclusion that I think of myself as ``Arabic`` ... or for that matter why are you assuming that a Gujurati Khoja Muslim like Jinnah who said all through out his life that he was an Indian first second and last had any Arab genes? BTW... just so that you know ... that Zia-ul-Haq had Ahrari genes... yes the same Ahrar party that was Congress` foremost ally. But then these are facts of history that are very inconvenient for people like you.

But forget all of this... tell me - so M J Akbar and Seema Mustafa are also non-indians? I remember you called A G Noorani a Non-indian because you disagreed with him.
So in your estimate... Godhra fire incident... if started by Muslims... was started by Non-Indians? And then you claim you are tolerant of other faiths because you were brought up Indian?

No wonder my ``outcaste`` father and other Ahmadis often proudly declare: Better a Non-Muslim in PAKISTAN than a Muslim in India.

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Cant agree more Harish.....Well said.

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Manto,

You like MJ Akber and Seema Mustafa who write in Asian Age? Whenever there`s a problem of communal riots or referring to Modi and his ilk, they say Ugly Indian. Whenever they refer to Bukhari or bad Mullahs they never say Ugly Indian. Why dont you ask them, why? Subconsciously they look at the communal problem from this religious angle, unfortunalty. They are also not evolved like you.....primitive mindsets.


>>>>>>Also... thanks for informing me I need schooling in the US for that is the only way an uneducated Pakistani like myself would learn anything. (BTW I suppose I should write to my alma mater and let them know that their state is no longer considered part of the United States of America because the brilliant Indian scholar VRV said so... despite the fact that it was one of the original 13 and the greatest battles of the American revolution were fought in that state-) <<<<<

Dude, even LSE has produced the Daniel Pearl throat-cutter. That is in the genes of Pakistanis. No matter where you are educated, some of Pakistanis are more Arabic than Arabs, more extremist than OBL. May be it`s Zia`s gene and Jinnah`s DNA.

>>>>BTW.. do me a favor and let me know where you were educated... I want to make a note of it so that I don`t send my kids there. <<<<

Why cant they join Jamia Binoria? Ooops, you are outcastes in Pakiastan, I forgot.

Bye...

Yaar VRV, you have to understand that when Pakis take to insulting others, they are doing it to buttress their utter lack of self-esteem. When everyone kicks you around like a football, there`s not much you can do either. This is what the average Paki feels:

Miss our dignity the most

I READ the story about India’s strong protest to the Netherlands (Dawn, Aug 26) at the way it handled Indian passengers aboard a Mumbai-bound flight that returned to Amsterdam shortly after takeoff with great sadness.

Given Pakistan’s track record, I am sure if it was Pakistan instead of India, the government would have arrested relatives of all the accused and our foreign ministry would be holding press conferences claiming it played a vital role in disrupting a major terror plot.

Why are we still positioning our country as the number one frontline state against terrorism, and at the same time expecting foreign investment to flourish in Pakistan? India, on the other hand, has successful positioned itself as an IT outsourcing hub among other things.

Of all the things that we have lost as a nation, I miss our self-respect and dignity the most. It’s still not too late for us to project a non-terrorism related image of Pakistan and stop touting the terrorism nonsense.

SHAKIL M. KHWAJA
Virginia, USA

Zeehadi,

We in India teach & believe the Darwinian theory of evolution. We are evolved but you are still in that primitive stage. I pity you.

If you are still fond of calling us monkeys. No probs. Look at Musharraf, Ahmedinejad, they look like monkeys decked-up as humans. On the other hand you have this Mullsha in Pakistan with their upper-lips shaved and fibrous beards....just look like monkeys. Pl have a look.

Since you cant evolve....pl join some Zoo and get some money. You are a jehadi-turned Zoo animal therefore your name is Zeehadi.

Harish, is that OK?

VRV...

Brilliant...

You say that for bigots like me it boils down to religion and then say that since Muslims started the Godhra riots, it wasn`t the Indians who started it. Hence according to you Muslims are not Indians... brilliant indeed

Also... thanks for informing me I need schooling in the US for that is the only way an uneducated Pakistani like myself would learn anything. (BTW I suppose I should write to my alma mater and let them know that their state is no longer considered part of the United States of America because the brilliant Indian scholar VRV said so... despite the fact that it was one of the original 13 and the greatest battles of the American revolution were fought in that state-)

BTW.. do me a favor and let me know where you were educated... I want to make a note of it so that I don`t send my kids there.

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Manto,

Let me begin with an ode to Zeehadi. He`s a time-pass jerk on Chowk.

Now:

>>>>>1. If I quote Romila Thapar, Sumit Sarkar, H M Seervai, Irfan Habib and other Indian scholars it is ``official history`` by a ``Paki`` and ``poison``... but if Sadna allegedly quotes Romila Thapar or Bipin Chandra which she doesn`t for the record... then it is an evidence of how academic she is. The point was that Sadna has never quoted them as you claimed she did ... you were caught red handed. Nor has Sadna claimed these fine people as her inspiration. One can certainly see the obvious differences between Sumit Sarkar`s honest extrapolations and Sadna`s nationalist distortions. <<<<<

The arguments are between her and you. I read the recent ones and I found some new insights. She has not distorted in the recent posts I saw.

>>>2. On the question of South Asian v. Indian.. I`ve already said that I am more interested in the facts and not labelling. A rose is a rose by any name. Frankly I have no problem calling South Asian History, Indian history... like I said, it owes its name to our main river. Infact... India should have been the copyright for Pakistan ... but that is another controversial issue which is best left aside. <<<

You said it all. Thanks.

>>>3. So you don`t see the bigotry in your claim that Mantolives is bad because he is a Pakistani- that all Pakistanis are bad? <<<<

Dont put words into my mouth.

>>>>4. Asoka`s Empire ranged from Kabul to Burma and included Sri Lanka. Here you`ve contradicted yourself again. So by the same token you should be calling the History of Afghanistan ``Indian History`` as well- no? Either that or you accept that by your logic Indian History pertains to British India, which then can logically be said to be a British conception.<<<<

I have not said that Asokan empire extended to Lanka and Burma. Indian history is the history of Indian subcontinent.

We do read that Indus Valley civilisation as ours...but no more it`s ours but still we consider it as our own. India was a unit during various phases of ancient, medieval times. It was an extended unit (with Burma & Lanka as part of British India for some time) under British. If you look at Muslim countries theoretically as one unit then Indian culture and influence extended upto Bali due to the the expeditions of south Indian kings. In fact Sanskrit was the official language of Brunie b4 it became an Islamic kingdom. Indian influence was far and wide but as a unit - with some variations - is what it was under British.

>>>>5. You write: ``Did I burn Garham Staines? It was an RSS criminal and he`s in jail now. BTW, who started the fire in Gujarat? The events in Gujarat are interlinked and dont look a few incidents in isolation``

Excuse me.. your claim was that since you were an Indian, you were tolerant to all faiths. Now are you suggesting that those who burnt Graham Staines were not Indians. Similarly assuming that it was the ``Muslims`` who started the fire in Gujurat... are Muslims, by virtue of being Muslims, not Indian or Indian citizens. Or is it that great definition of a ``great soul`` that in order to be a true Indian you have to be a Hindu? <<<<


Every country had criminals and hard-core criminals, terorists et al. How can I deny that even Dawood Ibrahim was an Indian? This line of arguments displays your childishness or lack of elemantary understanding of national identity. You started the argument with a slant that it was Hindu Vs others. So I gave you a clue about a possible counter-argument from that angle. If you like it or not the town of Godhra has 42% Muslims and some of them are ISI`s paid-agents. Some are true Indians by heart.

Further extrapolation is your petty argument.....I leave it as your weakness to pursue this line. Being an Indian is an Indian. For bigots like you it boils down to religion.

>>>>I am afraid you`d have to come up with better answers my friend. By the way, I am very interested in knowing the cause of your aversion to Hindi and Urdu... since even in your preferred language, you seem quite hardpressed to understand simple things. <<<

I dont know what Jhagra means....You need schooling outside Pakistan, may in the US to know the basic things....

Lastly, I admire your ability to cling on to Pakistan despite the people like Zeemax & others calling you a non-Muslim and other spitting on your face.... Pakistan is lucky to have people like you. I mean it.

Cants reply for a week.

Tata..bye bye..

#255 by zeemax

And noone is `trading` insults. It is only me who is `hurling` insults......LoL

Looks like the senile old fool has gone insane like his hero Ahmedinejad..way to go!!

#254 by zeemax

And don`t remove your disgusting pic from your profile now ... I`ve saved it for your posteriority ...

Hey impotent runt, why don`t you post your pic? Ashamed that even Macacas look better?

And noone is `trading` insults. It is only me who is `hurling` insults......LoL

And don`t remove your disgusting pic from your profile now ... I`ve saved it for your posteriority ...

LoL ... macacas and macacas .... dancing prancing macacas .....

And what`s with that nick, Zeemacaca, and not even a pic on the profile? Ashamed of the old hag looks?

#250 by zeemax

BTW .. Harish_Macaca ... what`s with the thumbs in jeans pockets stuff in your pic? Huh? You trying to look like a texan cow-bao instead of the monkey you are ????????

Yaar Zee, stop acting like a kindergarten kid trading insults with men half your age. Your son will be ashamed of you if he comes to know that you`re sparring with kids.

LoL .. so now one macaca has another macaca as adviser ... LoL ...(#246 by VRV).

BTW .. Harish_Macaca ... what`s with the thumbs in jeans pockets stuff in your pic? Huh? You trying to look like a texan cow-bao instead of the monkey you are ????????