The Death of a Nawab

The killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti, irrespective of his antecedents, is a very shocking event. It appears to be a case of personal enmity of Musharraf- this was a man with whom his own appointed parliamentary committee of ruling party members had reached an agreement and who was more pro-establishment than other sardars.

The tribal leaders of Waziristan have killed many Army personnel and continue to defy the writ of the state - but Musharraf is content to withdraw the army from those regions and negotiate with them though their demands fall far short of Balochi demands.

If you ask me, now two principles have been laid out for the near future at least - 1. anyone who opposed Musharraf can be killed 2. Musharraf`s own choice of target killing a leader like Akbar Bugti for defying him personally has exposed the entire Pakistani general public to revenge attacks.

The killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti, irrespective of his antecedents and because of his antecedents is a very shocking event.

#113
Corr: The tribal leaders of Waziristan have killed many Army personnel and continue to defy the writ of the state - but Musharraf is content to withdraw the army from those regions and negotiate with them though their demands far exceed Balochi demands in seeking to undermine the writ of the state.

faisal, 106

Jinnah was, without a doubt, a great man. Aside from his speeches, read My Sahib and you’d know why.

India can never be united. In general, there is too much hatred in Hindus. This hatred is deep-seated and part of their lives as a result of their two thousand year old caste system. It raises its ugly head on Chowk which is directed towards Islam, Muslims, Pakistan and Pakistanis. As they say, you can take them out of India but you cannot take hatred out of them. It’s part of their being.

No hard feelings.

#114
``The killing of Nawab Akbar Bugti, irrespective of his antecedents and because of his antecedents is a very shocking event.``

So how many days of mourning would be appropriate?
Have they declared one year of mourning in India, flags half mast?

Was this more shocking than Bhindranwala murder inside a religious shrine by the army under a ``democratically elected govt``.

What is bad democratic govts killing opponents or the army....

Ahmer:

``We can talk nasty about ur wife but then again, we don`t have to talk nasty about her, i mean i m sure shes a hindooo, enuff said right?``

Really???? Its interesting that prostitution was considered a Muslim profession in India. So before saying something about the honour of Hindu women, you might check with your own mother first. Who knows, you just might have Hindu ancestry in more ways than you thought possible.

I am not very familiar with the politics and history of Balochistan and my comments are therefore of a general and superficial nature.

If Bugti was an insurgent against the state of Pakistan, the state had every right to fight him and if he gets killed in this fight he has himself to blame for it.

At the same time, it would appear that there is a significant support for Bugti, Mengel and other sardars in Balochistan; in that case killing a prominent leader - one who has been a prominent federal minister and a chief minister - has the potential of providing a martyr and a rallying point to that cause.

However, I do not think that Pakistan has to worry about Balochistan going the way of Bangladesh. It seems that the insurgency is limited to Balochi tribes while Pahstuns, Punjabis and others are not involved in it. India, even if it wants, can offer only limited help to insurgents there. The only danger could come from Afghanistan which could incite fellow Pashtus, but as long as that country is embroiled in internal strife it cannot do much damage either.

Re: # 118

Stuka,

I dont follow any religion but let me make this clear the bigots here.

Abrahmic religions have this Adam and Eve as first couple. You know how they multiplied?

Guess?????

Either BC or MC or Adam with his........but no other way. Though our Pak friends are not semetic race. They trace their religion to these BCs and MCs and ........

No hard feelings.

sadna#113:

``The tribal leaders of Waziristan have killed many Army personnel and continue to defy the writ of the state - but Musharraf is content to withdraw the army from those regions and negotiate with them though their demands fall far short of Balochi demands.``


There is a difference. The tribal leaders of Waziristan are not against Pakistan, only against the military doing what they think is America`s dirty word. This is not the case of the Balochi insurgents; the only one they might be against are the Chinese who are helping Pakistan in building Gwadar.

Re: # 118

Oh Ok. I`ll ask her. Should i disrespect your mother now? As i said earlier being a hindoo, not able to eat bihari kabab, being ugly and eternally burning in hellfire is enuff as it is, so why do i need to stoop to your level. My implication was not that hindoo women are prostitutes, i was simply saying hindoo women are hindoo, thats disrespectful enough. Take a deep breath now, don`t get too excited you can`t have this much rage, your puny body might explode.

Cheers

``Was this more shocking than Bhindranwala murder inside a religious shrine by the army under a ``democratically elected govt``.
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Yes and No. Yes, because Bhindranwale did not have unanimous support even amongst Sikhs or for that matter even religious Sikhs. No, because the issue that was bigger than the attack on Bhindranwale was negligible compared to the attack on the Golden Temple, which caused much pain to the Indian state for years to come. In hindsight (within a short time in fact) India realized that Blue Star was a mistake. Hence, the next time there were terrorists in Golden Temple, the government initiated Op Black Thunder which was operationally very different. (no shots were fired)

2. The reason I also say this is more shocking than killing Bhindranwale is this...Op Bluestar and the killing of Sikh militants was planned and executed by a politically strong government with the full support of the opposition, the Army and the people (Hindus or rather Non Sikhs). It is true that the Sikhs across the board were against it and even pro-Congress Sikhs like Zail Singh, Khushwant Singh etc. were against it. But it was a matter of only 2% of the population and their miniscule leaders being against an action, with everyone else being for it. Regardless of this almost consensus, the pain that north India had to go theough post 1984 is quite well known.

Compare this to the event in Baluchistan. Had it been an act of political consensus, with only a few percentage minority Baluchis being unhappy, I would have said this is controllable. But I see that your establishment itself is split on the issue. This was an action conducted by a popular government, it was an action committed by a military strongman with even the King`s party moving away from blessing the action. This may not have serious repurcussions for Pak per se, but I do expect the impact to occur on the present system.

#123,
Stuka,

Interesting but we still don’t know the real support he had in Balochistan... Prolly not much! He was a big name and Baloch don`t like their Sardars to be treated shabbily. So there is some protest.

Remember that he worked with the admin most of his political life so there is some regret for losing a friend and a former partner.

Re: # 122

Ahmer,

>>>As i said earlier being a hindoo, not able to eat bihari kabab, being ugly and eternally burning in hellfire is enuff as it is, so why do i need to stoop to your level.<<<

Thats`s funny, you silly boy.

What about Jinnah`s favourite sandwich i.e Ham sandwich. It`s yummy with cheese, you know? Moreover, pork sausages are yummier too. Would you die in hellfire, if you dont them, my friend?

As for being ugly, what about president Musharraf, Arbab Ghulam Rahim (Sindh CM) and portly Jamali? Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, my friend!

Where did you study or do you at all? Do have formal education or just born in the US?

Silly boy!

dost-mittar #121
``The tribal leaders of Waziristan are not against Pakistan, only against the military doing what they think is America`s dirty word.``

A number of recent news items do not agree with that assessment. Waziri Taliban are against the Pakistani state in the sense that they refuse to accept the writ of the Pakistani state in the territories under their control. They have not only forced the Army to retreat, they have already started enforcing their own Taliban /Sharia law and justice and they have also demanded an end to the state`s revenue/tax collection at checkposts within their `territory`. The effects of this are spilling into adjoining regions where these days religious party members are demanding that NGOs sack all women employees and TVs are being destroyed.

btw, Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri who are most likely hiding in caves in those regions, have defied the writ of the Pak state for 5 years and survived unlike Nawab Bugti(even sending out messages regularly).

#126
Sadna,

what abt Bhidranwala? wasn`t he looking for another state?....

Re: # 125
VRV,

Oh no you didn`t! You called me a Silly BoY? ouchh man, why you being so mean and you are rubbing it in my face that i have no formal education?? Ok the jig is up, you got me, I am actually un-letterd, thanks for exposing me man, noone will love me now...:(

Do you actually wanna play the ugly politician game? Bal Thakray, Uma the gorgeous bharti, laloo parsad & his wife (kidding aside i think the guy is a good human being and a good politician), manmohan singh, atal jee, narendra modi, i mean the easier thing to do would be to include all politicians minus the italian lady and the muslim ones. For the love of whatever is sacred even the movie star shatroo is ugly as hell.

But thats not what the discussion is about, we are not here to wrestle about who is uglier. Hindoos are the ugliest of the world thats a proven scientific fact, next thing you know, you`ll say hindoos love to put on deodrant? Don`t mess with science man. The issues that have been settled should not be messed with.