Comprehending Time
Mohammad Gill September 8, 2006
#2 Posted by masadi on September 8, 2006 4:57:38 pm
The author writes <<< It is curious that he stated unambiguously that one Divine day is equal to 1,000 Earth years. So six Divine days are equal to 6,000 Earth years, which is also the age of the Earth according to the creationists... >>>
If that is actually what Iqbal said, then he was very wrong in his conclusion. The Quran states no such thing. Unlike the creationists, it does not place a time of 6000 years for the age of the earth, neither does it place an absolute value on time, as the Bible when it mentions ``in the beginning``.
The verse in question that mentions 1000 years, is this (32:5)
As you can see it has nothing to do with the creation of the skies and earth, but the command AFTER they have been created, since it assumes their existence. The important point to note here is the relative nature of time, a recently discovered phenomenon.
Another verse which alludes to the relative nature of time is this one (70:4):
Here it talks about the angels and the rooh ascending in a day equal to 50K years of what you reckon. As you can see the context of both verses is different and the relative measure of time is different as well. Unlike these contexts, the Quran does not give a time period for the ``day`` or period of creation. So ignoring the context and forcing one to the other, as you say Iqbal did is erroneous. Also note that these two verses are presented as contradictions by many evangelicals and their Islam hating friends, both talk about different things, so there is no contradiction, only shows that they are stuck with absolute times when the Quran is stating a much more scientifically valid concept of relative time.
Also note that what happened before Planck time 10 (-43) secs, is a matter of speculation, with no empirical evidence and no scientist worth the name has claimed otherwise, the leading string theorist Brian Greene says the same.
If that is actually what Iqbal said, then he was very wrong in his conclusion. The Quran states no such thing. Unlike the creationists, it does not place a time of 6000 years for the age of the earth, neither does it place an absolute value on time, as the Bible when it mentions ``in the beginning``.
The verse in question that mentions 1000 years, is this (32:5)
As you can see it has nothing to do with the creation of the skies and earth, but the command AFTER they have been created, since it assumes their existence. The important point to note here is the relative nature of time, a recently discovered phenomenon.
Another verse which alludes to the relative nature of time is this one (70:4):
Here it talks about the angels and the rooh ascending in a day equal to 50K years of what you reckon. As you can see the context of both verses is different and the relative measure of time is different as well. Unlike these contexts, the Quran does not give a time period for the ``day`` or period of creation. So ignoring the context and forcing one to the other, as you say Iqbal did is erroneous. Also note that these two verses are presented as contradictions by many evangelicals and their Islam hating friends, both talk about different things, so there is no contradiction, only shows that they are stuck with absolute times when the Quran is stating a much more scientifically valid concept of relative time.
Also note that what happened before Planck time 10 (-43) secs, is a matter of speculation, with no empirical evidence and no scientist worth the name has claimed otherwise, the leading string theorist Brian Greene says the same.
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#1 Posted by Dash_Dot on September 8, 2006 12:50:43 pm
A pupil of Einstein said:
It`s rotten
To find I`d completely forgotten
That by living so fast,
All my future`s my past,
And I buried before I`m begotten.
It`s rotten
To find I`d completely forgotten
That by living so fast,
All my future`s my past,
And I buried before I`m begotten.
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