Has Hinduism had the Longest Tradition of Continuous Religion?

#231 (cont`d)

In fact, the ISLAMIC SOCIETY appears quite happy to let things be the way they are.

#231 Zee

[she rose up didn`t she?]
Good point! I admire her, like most of the world.

[the Mai episode is a huge taint on the entire Islamic society.]
But the question is – what has the ISLAMIC SOCIETY been doing since the episode to ensure that such episodes will not recur?

Precious little, won`t you say?

#229 Zee

Mukhtaran Mai? She was a victim of archaic tribal/feudal traditions. But she rose up didn`t she? It was because she`s a Muslim.

You can`t say that the Islamic system is wrong because those practising it call themselves Muslims. But, indeed, the Mai episode is a huge taint on the entire Islamic society.

#229 Zee

Good idea, leave the Manto out of this one.

[Men are bound by exigencies of faith. Women aren`t.]
Then what about the Mai?

Yaar BJ .. I know you have a running argument with Manto ... and I don`t want to be a tool in your hands to use gainst Manto. He is what he is. You can deal with him.

I can only tell the truth. Now what was your question?

1)I somehow thought he had converted.

I`m deep inside the Ismaili community. They`re amongst my best friends. I almost married into a very illustrious Ismaili family whose lineage is to the Agha Khan himself. You can`t convert to Ismaili`s. Anyone who says that is a lie. You can`t convert to the faith of their Imam. It`s theirs alone.

2) Then what about his ranting of “liberal and progressive Pakistan” with liberty and justice for all – even the women of Pakistan?!

That is exactly the fifth columnist part .... of spreading disinformation. Just like tahmed32 and a few others.

The very basic, indeed the overriding tenet of Islam is ``Justice``. As for women, anyone who tells you women don`t have rights in Islam are lying. Women actually have more rights than men in Islam. They have the freedom to choose. Men don`t. Men are bound by exigencies of faith. Women aren`t.

Anyway, Zee. My advice remains the same.

Go catch some shut eye.

Then you can return tomorrow, bright and early, in full form.

And dazzle everybody!

#225 Zee

[His adulation of Jinnah is for the same reason. Jinnah was a Khoja, not really Ismiali but similar .. and he praises Jinnah for that reason alone. What he doesn`t know is that Jinnah, above all, was a Muslim!]

Then what about his ranting of “liberal and progressive Pakistan” with liberty and justice for all – even the women of Pakistan?!

I do not remember him quoting that Jinnah was, above all, a Muslim.

#224 Zee

I somehow thought he had converted. (My mistake, I suppose.)

Look .. thing with Manto is this. He comes from a qadiani family whose entire social status was built up by the british and exposed and destroyed by ZAB. These were exposed as 5th columnists and spies for the british and dealt an appropriate treatment. Now they are no more in Pakistan`s mainstream as they were in the 1950s. So Manto hit upon this idea of converting to Ismailis who are Shias ... and you can`t convert to Ismailis ... you can only be born in them. If you even marry an Ismaili girl, you`re still not one of them. And this liar says he has converted to Ismailis .... just to gain acceptability.

His adulation of Jinnah is for the same reason. Jinnah was a Khoja, not really Ismiali but similar .. and he praises Jinnah for that reason alone. What he doesn`t know is that Jinnah, above all, was a Muslim!

#223 by bjkumar

Manto is a non-Muslim ... trying to pass of as an Ismaili now ... who are Muslims.

Manto is a qadiani ....

#221

What do you mean Manto is not?! I think he would disagree with you on that issue.

contd....#221..........

In your list, one is not a Muslim and the other two are not street-fighters. Same goes for a few other so-called Islamists on this site. When it come to push and shove, who is not scared of getting banned by this chow-staff?

#219 by bjkumar

Manto is not a Muslim. HP is a politician. Naqsh is a Sufi.

That only leaves me in your list.

#219 (addendum)

Yaar, Zee. The problem, my dear, is you are too up-front with your feelings. You have been around for years, but still have not developed the fine skill of these gentlemen.

Of how to raise enough dust!

#218
Yaar, you can not SINGLE-HANDEDLY defend Islam. I mean what are the Mantos, and the HPs, and the Naqshis for?

So YOU get lost. Stay away ... If hinuds attack Islam. I shall screw hinuds to kingdom come ...