What Osama gave Muslims

#42 by adamkhan

Adam Khan,

What you write about China is factually incorrect. I know China. I have extensively travelled inside China in their rickety trains from Guangzhou to Beijing to Taiyuan right on the Mongolian border, the journeys taking several days/nights along the great Chinese landmass. You may even call me something of a China expert (amongst other things of-course of your choosing). So let`s not argue on what China is and how it developed.

I just want you to have faith in your people and your country. Not to underestimate them. If there are more KFCs to give all the Chief Burger waiters jobs, that won`t alleviate the misery of the Pathan carrying 100 kilos on his back or the one driving taxis in Abu-Dhabi with the sole ambition of opening a kiriana shop in Mardan; of which fate for him and his family you seem to be quite content.

Just remember that. Perhaps we`ll talk later.

Re: # 39

Well said

Zeemax Saib,

Your Chinese example is also incorrect. China has allowed in FDI only AFTER it had sufficiently developed, not before. FDI has no role in China`s development. They kept their economy fenced-in for fifty years till they were positioned to hold their own against any exploitation through FDI, and only then opened its doors.

What exactly do you mean by sufficient development? Chairman Mao must have rolled over in his grave when his little red book was regarded as obsolete. The reason why China opened up its economy was that its socialist policy of state ownership and sarkari jobs for every one failed miserably. They did it because their leadership accepted its defeat and now 20 years later, China is challenging the US for the top spot. Had they opened up in the 60s, today they might have surpassed the US in terms of GDP. China owes its rise as an economic power to the investment from abroad. Yes they are a hardworking people, but they required capital to work with. Capital that came from abroad. Not only that, it brought along with it technology and new standards of efficiency.

You have also mentioned our vast stretches of land. Well nearly 50% of China’s labor is currently being employed by Agriculture. China ranks as number 1 in terms of farm output. Reason is simple, more than a billion dollars of FDI is being invested in Chinese agriculture every year. Here in Peshawar we get the Chinese pear, which is packed in a really slick packing (something that adds to its cost) it has literally driven our own pears out of the market (in price competition!!). China has always been there, never were we flooded like this before, so what exactly made the difference? If it wasn’t the overwhelming flood of FDI in that economy then what exactly was it?

You mentioned a Pathan construction worker of Abu Dhabi, and I am glad that you did. The reason why that Pathan works in Abu Dhabi is because he finds the MNC to be a much more compassionate employer than his local feudal, or his local restaurant owner. This same construction worker has a certain time limit in his mind; he works for a decade or half and then comes back a happy man, and buys himself a little store in Peshawar or Mardan. This particular model is very popular among the Pathans and I don’t see it as a source of shame but instead as a source of relief that at least some amongst the lowest have a way out. It also reminds one of Keynes’s old saying that “in the long run we are all dead.” The jafa kash Pathan is a rational being, and he wants a short run solution.

MNCs as entities are driven by greed. Maximization of profits is the first and foremost goal of these organizations. But then, isn’t it true for every other form of business? Since when has philanthropy become the trait of a successful business man? For instance Khazana sugar mill was closed down by its workers union, it is obvious that they were not content with the compensation being doled out to them.

All sellers are required to be regulated; unless and until there is regulation there will be exploitation. That is where we need to define our limits, but these limits should keep in consideration, the policies of our competitors.

Chief Burgers is the oldest name in Peshawari fast food. It is said that the restaurant does around Rs 200,000 in sales on a daily basis. But I assure you its waiters will give their right arms to have a job at the KFC just down the road. Reason being the better pay and working conditions. For all I know these MNCs bring with them more humane compensation packages then the feudal lord or the industrialist seth has to offer. Don’t compare the standards that these MNCs offer in their own countries, if you want a comparison then do it with the local employers within Pakistan. Slavery is being practiced in the brick kilns around Peshawar and in interior Punjab, on GEO there was a report about the owner of a brick kiln who sold the kidneys of two of his workers. How bad can the MNCs actually be?

Even when it comes to profits, our very own Seths are no different from the MNCs. If you say that the profits that our rich make is re invested into Pakistan then you are mistaken. From the looks of it most of our rich have substantial assets abroad, so how exactly is their behavior different from the MNCs who are sending profits back home?

And why are you so pessimistic about the transfer of technology? Has it not happened in Malaysia? What would Malaysia be without the billions in technology and capital that came from Japan?

We have to educate our masses, tidy up our regulations, and rein in our firebrand long-beards if we want our poor to break the shackles of poverty. If it means the hurt prides of the residents of Sector E7, Defence Colonies, Jackson heights or Bradford, then so be it. Our poor are being robbed of their pride on a daily basis, then why should the rich hold their heads high on their pretentious yearly Umrahs?

#39 by ranjit

Nice recipe. Except that it stinks like rotten south indian food.

Thank you Ranjit......

Re:zeemax#32

[...Abey macaca, so you have a recipe for muslims becoming prosperous and happy? ....]

I maybe a macaca, but you are a macaca_mullah (combo of a monkey and a mullah). That is four times worse. :-)

Here is my recipe for Pakistan - Become a four way hub between South Asia, Centra Asia, West Asia and China. Route Oil and Natural Gas from Central Asia/West Asia to China and South Asia. Route goods/services/people between China and South Asia to Central Asia/West Asia. Earn transit fees in all directions, which will be in billions. In other words, become the new Silk Road. A lot of the infrastructure already exists especially on the movement of goods and people which can bring in immediate cash. Completely give up terrorist links so that all the players can be secure about the movement of oil/natural gas/goods/people etc.

At the same time, invest heavily in primary and secondary education, higher education, microloans to jumpstart enterpreneurship and provide a free market for domestic economic expansion. FDIs can be encouraged gradually in some sectors that are mature and can compete. Also focus on controlling population growth, which is the highest in South Asia. Otherwise, that can erode all economic benefits. All this can happen if you have a government that makes peace and prosperity a priority rather than jihad and terrorism.

#37 by aslam644

When someone calls himself/herself a realist in `newspeak`, it means a `surrender-monkey` in truespeak. A slavish mentality mediocre just out for self-serving interests.

That is what you are. You don`t even know what you are saying. You don`t even know the implications of that. You don`t even know if this country is even going to survive in the status-quo within 10-15 years.

In short, you know nothing.

Re: # 36
in an ideal world there should be no difference, but in the real world there is labour is 50% cheaper in north england than london. i am a realist.

#35 by aslam644

So, in your opinion, Pakistan must remain `cheap` and poor ... even `cheaper` and `poorer` in 10-15 years. Even poorer than China or India so they can look for `cheaper` and `poorer` labour here?

Are you guys for real? Or are you just talking from your ass ....

adam khan
globalisation is here to stay, the challenge for the country is to how to benefit from it.

here are a few suggestions.

in the next 10 to 15 years wages will rise in china, then their industries will start looking for cheaper locations. pakistan can position itself to recieve them, by improving education,infrastructure, law and order etc.

the good news is the monopoly of the west has ended for the first time in 200 years with regard to capital and technology, so expect FDI from china.

Adam Khan,

When you called Pak `resourceless`, it really pained me. I will tell you why.

I have seen sixty-year + old Pathans climbing 10 floors with 100 kilos of cement bags on their backs. I have seen them in Abu Dhabi in 50 centigrade heat laying asphalt on roads and installing sprinklers in the desert. I have seen the same Pathans at the Karachi harbour working under suspended containers on their heads which occasionally slip and crush them. Are they doomed to polishing shoes in Karachi and Lahore for a better life than that? Or at best, driving taxis in Abu-Dhabi?

If you drive from Bannu to Dera Ismail Khan, you see nothing but flat land on both sides of the road till the horizon for hundreds of miles. Wonderfully flat land which if irrigated, would have no match in Punjab. Only thing is it is barren. I have also seen Rickshaw pullers who own 100 acres of that land, but pull rickshaws.

The fertile lands of Charsadda/Mardan are another story. The sugarcane fields were destroyed in name of Charsadda Industrial Estate which never came through (was sabotaged to shut down sugar industry in NWFP), and now even the great Khans of that area; other than a few tobacco growers who are compensated; get nothing from their vast golden lands. The brilliant entrepreneurs of the Bannu district such as the Habibullahs Khattaks were destroyed who had even set-up power plants there with now just one Janana Da Maluchu Textiles remaining in the area. As a result, the remaining family moved to investing in Punjab. No one did all that but your own NWFP politicians. All these Mufti Mehmoods, Gandapurs, Fazlur-Rehmans, Qazis Hussains ... the whole lot.

So, is the fate of these industrious, hard-working, jafa-kash Pathans to polish shoes and to drive taxis and rickshaws in Karachi/Lahore/Abu-Dhabi? My friend, I say no. Will your much vaunted foreign investment help them? Again I say no. What will the foreign investment get them? More cheap and dehumanising labour? Of-course. Foreign investment will not transfer technology to replace that de-humanising labour because then why would they come here in the first place? They can run their computerised robotics operations in their own countries as well. They will only come here for us sub-humans.

And all of the above is just NWFP. Punjab, Baluchistan, Sind is rich beyond your imagination. Maybe we`ll discuss those some other time.

You better find a real solution. Don`t count on FDI. Do something on your own.

How to improve Pakistan


Start with Telling the TRUTH about things.......

#31 by ranjit

Abey macaca, so you have a recipe for muslims becoming prosperous and happy? If you do other than what Adam Khana has, out with it. If you`re just trying to foolishly misguide a sincere person like Adam Khan, who genuinely feels for Pak and wants to know the truth, stay out of my discussion with him because I replied to him in #29.

Shoo ...

Re:adamkhan

You are a very perceptive person with sensible views on how to improve Pakistan. If only most Pakistanis could think like you and be practical!! These days, the strength and power of a country depends more on economic strength and knowledge rather than jingoism and mindless violence.

Unfortunately it is people like zeemax and masadi who control the mindsets in the Islamic world. These people thrive like parasites on muslim poverty and deprivation. For them, a poor, destitute muslim who is hopeless and is full of rage is the ideal candidate for furthering their own ideology of hate and mindless jihad. If muslims become prosperous and happy, who would listen to the crap peddled by zeemaxes and masadis? They would become non entities and irrelevant.

Osama`s greatest gift to Muslims -- is an Invader Mongoloid from Crawford Texas.

#26 by adamkhan

Alaka Baacha Adam Khana,

We (Pakistan) are as resource less as any other European country.

You gotta be kidding. Pls withdraw this observation.

All that we have to sell are these unemployed masses. Now how can this labour be plundered? It can be plundered by giving them a lower than normal wage.

FDI only comes when it is viable in terms of profitability. In case of the free market scenario, it will only come if it can make goods cheaper than the imports or if it can export these cheaper than Pak`s competitors. In both cases, it will have to keep the goods cheap. Wages are the single biggest item in overheads and noone can compete if it increases the wages. Thus, the poor will remain poor no matter how much FDI comes. I will add that the problem in Pakistan is NOT unemployment, it is underemployment and low wages.

That is the only short term way that I see of breaking these shackles of Poverty.

The only way to raise wage structure is through value-addition. It cannot be done in an open-market globalised environment because others are much ahead.

In the last year some $ 4 billion of FDI is supposed to have entered Pak. How many jobs have been added? It is because manufacturing is not feasible and services do not increase employment.

South Korea and China are examples of the effects of foreign direct investment.

South Korea developed entirely indigenously and not by FDI, with only two kinds of industries. First is small & medium enterprises (SMEs), and the other is state-sponsored huge conglomerates (chaebols) like Hyundai, Daewoo, Lucky Goldstar, Samsung etc. None of these had anything to do with FDI.

Your Chinese example is also incorrect. China has allowed in FDI only AFTER it had sufficiently developed, not before. FDI has no role in China`s development. They kept their economy fenced-in for fifty years till they were positioned to hold their own against any exploitation through FDI, and only then opened its doors.

P.S. Give my regards to Charsi Ustaad!

Re: # 21

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on September 15, 2006 4:57am PT
Masadi`s arguments reminds me of a lecture I attended way back. In the lecture, the learned person at the lectern made a few statements, and then went on build his lecture around these. (What his thoughts were and my were then and are now is immaterial). Anyway here is a series of statements paraphrasing some of them.( please note: I may not necessayly subscribe to them but merely stating these here for argument sake)



(a) If you cannot make use of God given resources, why should you complain when others make use of it.

(b) If you cannot add value to your resources, you should not complain when others add value to YOUR RESOURCES.

(c) If you cannot make use of your resources to better yourself and your people, then others will invite themselves to do it. If in the process, others occupy your lands, either by proxy or directly, YOU cannot complain.


It appears that this is a cyclic process and the world has gone through this cycle many times. Maybe what we are witnessing today is a repeat of this cycle. various countries are in various stages of this - is my guess.

One of the pointless articles I have read on the subject.

Exactly. But as a primer, did you ever wonder how it got to be this way? Did all this surplus capital now with jhant brabar resourceless countries an Allah ki dain for them? Or did that have anything to do with colonization?

Well, they got to be this way by virtue of superior technology. When Muslims colonized Spain the underlying reason was the same. The Muslims had superior technology. The Arab oil was not even considered a resource at the time they reached their peak.

We (Pakistan) are as resource less as any other European country. The only resource that we have in abundance is Labour. All that we have to sell are these unemployed masses. Now how can this labour be plundered? It can be plundered by giving them a lower than normal wage. My point is that any wage is better than no wage. We are not in the position to fight for higher wages, the reason is simple, there are no wages for many in Pakistan. Once there are wages, once there are employers with billions invested in Pakistan, we can enforce a minimum wage and raise taxes.

And its not as if it’s a novel idea, South Korea and China are examples of the effects of foreign direct investment. I am not talking about hot money that comes and goes out of the KSE, it doesn’t do much for the common man. What I am talking about is concrete investment in the production of goods as well as services. That is the only short term way that I see of breaking these shackles of Poverty.

This jingoism and chest beating is scaring those investors away, investors who would enable the Pakistanis living below the poverty line to buy a computer for themselves and tell their tale on chowk.

Regards

P.S. Charsi is still the king of Namak Mandi, and charas cigarettes aka cigrataay are served as appetizers.

I pin the blood of Abeer on Osama`s Head.......


The Creator of Fitna.........

Wa iza Qaila lahum La Tufsido Fi al Ard...

Qaloo Innama Nahanu Musleyhoon,

Allaa Inna humul Mufsidoona

Walakin la Yash aarooon.......


When it is said to them,
Why do you make mischief on Earth.....

They say we only make peace.....

``NO``

It is they who make mischief yet have no consciousness of it.......


The Cow.... The Recitation most Wise......

khan%zeemax
it is no fun being on SS i was on it for 3 years.

adamkhan
some good points, the a-rabs are fush with money now pak-gov should encourage them to invest in pak.

Khan Saheb,

Jokes aside. What you wrote in your Sept 12 iLog is quite true ... i.e:

The situation is that there are too many countries with surplus labour while too few countries with surplus capital. This is just like any other business situation, as a third world country we are in competition with other third world countries for that capital.

Exactly. But as a primer, did you ever wonder how it got to be this way? Did all this surplus capital now with jhant brabar resourceless countries an Allah ki dain for them? Or did that have anything to do with colonization?

Then you talk about liberalization, but actually liberalization is just a tool towards globalisation and misleading. Specifically it is `globalisation` which will PERMANENTLY keep your much vaunted `surplus capital` away from Namak Mandi and the kababis there will keep serving lambchops with charas as dessert ...(Is charsi`s dukaan still there?) But that`ll come later. First, kindly answer the above question.

Thanks.

#21 by adamkhan

1) I don`t pay any taxes. I evade them all because I`m below poverty line... but I rip-off the food-stamp system and exchange it for beer ...

2) Pakistani Americans are economic immigrants and should not be dragged into ideological struggles. Nor should they be blamed for opposing it. As for colonized or colonizers, I suppose they are neither i.e. na ghar key naa ghat key ...

``All I am saying is that wish for others what you wish for yourself. Is it that hard to understand?``

No it isn`t hard at all. What do you think I`m wishing for?

:-)

Zeemax:

Yes foreign investment for this country would do the same as what a foreign job does for the immigrated Pakistanis.

Tell me why is it that the Pakistani American Jihadi sees no shame in paying taxes to uncle sam and in the process contributing to the strength of the Israeli Defence Forces, and then at the same time this jihadi is totally disgusted with even the thought of the Pakistani government recognizing Israel (for economic reasons)?

And since you know so much about the complexities of colonization, should the Pakistani American be considered a part of the colonized or the colonizers?

All I am saying is that wish for others what you wish for yourself. Is it that hard to understand?

Manto Payee, please explain yourself. Your alleged approach is both inefficient and inaccurate.

Mullah Atif2 has accused you of being judgmental and using inappropriate measurement techniques:

``he (Manto) passes judgment on a custody battle based on the length of a father’s beard.``

Manto Bhai,

What is this? Please defend yourself against these intolerable allegations. Whether one passes gas, razor blades, or judgments, one has to use approved, standardized, and appropriate methods and tools of measurement.

The length of a man`s beard is a variable and unreliable yardstick for measuring anything other than the length of the man`s beard - and even that is debatable because everything is relative and some of my relatives have very long beards indeed.

The length of a man`s beard, as opposed to the length of a woman`s beard, varies from the two day Arafat type growth to the full length found in UBL, Zawahiri, and Sardar Kaura Singh Chowkwalla. Usually, a man`s beard is just an approximation of the typical beaver shot.

So, I suggest that you switch to yards, inches, feet, centipedes, millipedes, meters, or even furlongs per fortnight for your measurement chores. Just remember, regardless of the yardstick, when it comes to length, most men lie.

adamkhan #12,
Beautifully stated and right from the heart - hope it finds its mark. When we see what these jihadis have done and the disadvantages they have brought to the status of Islam and progress of Muslims, it is easy to call them agents of Islam`s enemies.

Before their dastardly deeds of ever-increasing terrorism:

1. Iraq was not occupied. Sadman Houston could always have been replaced by an internal uprising - it had happened before with King Faisal, Kassem, and others.
2. There were genuine attempts at resolving the Mideast conflict with two state resolution, internationalization of Jerusalem, and possible resettlement of some of the Palestinian refugees - Clinton, Barak, and Arafat were much more preferable than Bush, Sharon/Olmert, and Hamas.
3. Islam was the fastest growing religion in the US and elsewhere. Now, the population of Muslims in the West may have actually decreased due to expulsions and the hesitancy on the part of some Muslims to be recognized as Muslims.
4. Muslim students from all over the world were welcomes in the US and Europe.
5. Europe was gradually becoming more and more hospitable for its millions of Muslim residents.
6. The West was supportive of Kossova becoming independent of Serbia.
7. There was genuine sympathy for the Chechens against the Russians.

What a difference a few years make. :(

adamkhan, why have you got your knickers in a twist?
No one agrees with what Mr. OBL did or his methodology. It was unislamic. but that doesn`t mean that
it wasn`t an earth-shattering event which will be seen as such in the future.

READ something before you go off on a rant...

#9 by Naqshbandi

Forget it yaar.

Meer kya sada hain, marey thHey jiss key liey;
Ussi attaar key londey sey dwaa leytey hain.

Adam Khan is a well-meaning but simple minded person. It would be difficult to teach him concepts of colonization; neo-colonialism; and re-colonization.

He wants foreign investment you see, to cure all his ills. You guys are spoiling it for him.

Re: # 12
...i totally agree with you Adam Khan.

M. Ali Shah:

An excellent and humanist article.

Lest anyone think you are extreme in condemning Osama Bin Ladin, his mentors, his cohorts and his supporters, let it be stated that your is a very moderate, modest and measured assessment. Actually he and his dfamers of Islam need harsher condemnation.

I have frequently stated that it is upto moderate Muslims to change the direction of politics, economics, and religion in the Muslim World. IT IS A MUST. I hope that this kind article is a start of sense among the Muslims.

Salim and rf786 please do not use radical language and so get eliminated from the expression screen. Maintain dignified and impeccable in language, your cause and desires are too important to fall prey to some skittish censor. I know you guys are frustrated with likes of #14, #13, and #12. You need to educate and bring up likes of #5.

You have a bounden duty to start a wave of sense among Muslims and restore the respectability of Islam.

Are there any keyboard jehadis? Has the propagated Islamic Extremism anything to do with the miseries of the world? Aren`t we living in a world where there is a clash among the civilizations? Is there any way out of these two extremes?... lots of confusion here.....

adamkhan,

Well said!

It is very easy for a wise ass keyboard jehadi sitting in the west to talk big with a full stomach and an air conditioner on the wall. But what makes his ranting stupid and vile is that this lowlife hypocrite choses for himself a life of ease and luxury and then for his compatriot back home he choses the sufferings of poverty and war.

I would like to say to this kind that just like you did all that you could to secure a visa to the west. Just like you suffered the humiliation of standing in those long lines for hours. Just like you thought it was worth the effort. We here in Pakistan need a similar remedy. You are not the only ones who are in need of the wealth of the west. We here need its multinationals to invest in our country. We need its capital because we have an over supply of labour. These investments will create new jobs, yes jobs for the sake of which people like you left this country in the first place.

What this ``mujahid`` Osama did is that he has been and even now is trying to scare that capital away. The capital that we so desperately need is being shooed away by the mere presence of this vile creature. This is the worst that anyone can do to this region. To take away any hope of betterment.

So to all of you who think that this guy is the holiest of the holy just because he is making sure that women will never wear bikinis in muslim lands. Then you cowards should come back to Pakistan and live amongst us. Atleast suffer the consequences of your advice. Atleast put your children through the torture of Madrassah Haqania in Akora Khattak. Atleast pick up a gun and fight shoulder to shoulder with your taliban brethern in southern Afghanistan. At the VERY LEAST come and live in Pakistan. Come on be a man and walk the walk.

You know who you are, you are the one who begged your way out of this country and now want it to remain in the same situation, just so that you can feel good about leaving it when you had the time. Just so that you can make comparsions with your relatives and friends who decided to stay in Pakistan.

If you are proud of being Pakistani, then either come back to Pakistan or wish for it the same changes that you yourself have opted for. The Mullah here doesnt sound that bad when he talks of the vile ways of the west, he can say it because he is staying here in Pakistan. He can say it because he himself has never experienced that lifestyle. But you, the one who goes to pubs on every weekend, the one who lives in cities with legalized brothals. You should be the last person to agree with the Mullah.

You shameless bigot.

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``A wise enemy is better than an ignorant friend``...

I feel that when future historians are writing the history of the 21st century, the view on UBL will be very different...

...I think he will be seen as the man who woke the Muslim world from its slumber in the Clash of Civilisations..

Like the man or loathe him but it is impossible to ignore his achievement. He has changed the world forever by the act of 9/11 and very probably ensured that for the next 100 years the Muslim world and the West are on a collision course.

Dear Mr Shah,

Until and unless we do not condemn our own, Muslims have no moral authority condemning others for their misdeeds. To eliminate the spectre of religious extremism, religious monopoly and arabization of the Muslim world it is imperative that muslims of the world unite in their condemnation of Osama and his ideology.

Good article.

Thanks

Shah Sahib,
I agree with your viewpoint about this curse on Muslims. Why do we have to produce such beasts from among us who end up devouring their own? UBL, Sadman Houston, Soodis, Mushy, Tally Bans, and the right-wing fundo whacko Sunni Wahabbi terrorist fanatics all need to be properly and publicly eliminated. The Tally Bans are almost dead, Sadman is getting his, Mushy is in line, the Soodis are going to pay for their sins, and Wahabbism will be buried soo thereafter.

On a positive note, the former President Khatami of Eye Ran is a pleasure to listen to - he is soft spoken with quick wit, great viewpoints, and a unique ability to respond well to criticism. The man is definitely a credit to Muslims. It`s amazing what the comibination of sincere religion and education can do. Too bad, the Sunni Mullahs have neither.

A very weird article!! What is your point?? You seem to be doing exactly what Bush/Blair are doing i.e. holding one man responsible for everything going wrong with the world!! You talk about how Osama should have worked for the welfare of his countrymen and the Afghans, why??? Welfare is not the responsibility of philanthropists or the third sector (ngos), it is the responsibility of the state and sadly in both the countries in question, the state is completely ineffective and uninterested when it comes to social welfare. So please stop blaming Osama and try to understand the dynamics of the global war on `terror`!!!

Re: # 1 - Agreed.

Yeh sub Bush key Tattuu hein.

Why can`t we leave somebody alone who has been kept alive through Media?

I mean we know what he did and what he didn`t. What is the meaning of this article. All I could figure out was this adjective - `Most`

Why don`t we spare our pens and imaginations for something much better. Something that helps us and people around us.

Why don`t we delve on Deforestation and Forestation? Mr. Author, how many trees or at least seedlings have you planted per day after 9/11,2001? Huh?
How many pennies have you collected after 9/11, 2001 to help out poor people in your locality?
How much serious did you become after 9/11 to have your unchallenged intuition to be applied to businesses and sciences?
Rather you would have talked like the parrot endless hours on end on this Dummy character.

The thing we all lack is planning. And more damage on that is, people instantly become the offsprings of Media.

Osama resides miles apart in a place which is inaccessible by all and sundry. The God of Super-power with boasting technology to track down the match boxes is not able to locate one person is fallible and B.S.

For once`s sake, break out from the tabboo weaved by the media and politics. Enough of this ranting. Get your milk yourself baby.

I`m sure, when you were writing this, you were not even in a position to earn Rs.2 out there in the market. Can you? Muft key Mufti

Excellent article, Mr. Shah. I join you as you reject Osama bin Laden. However, I would argue that Osama had never been a `noble fighter`. I would urge you to include in your criticism the ideology that promotes Osamas of the world.

Petro-Dollar funded Wahabism, stripped Muslims around the world of their local cultural and ethnic idioms and identities. Please examine language, mannerism, rituals, and other forms cultural of expression and you will see how a fanatical interpretation of Islam penetrated popular Muslim organizations, which until then had been moderate and tolerant.

Until 9/11, Saudi Arab enjoyed the closest relationship with USA, except for Israel especially after the discovery of the oil in the royal kingdom. With petro dollars Saudis began to spread their Wahabi state propaganda all around the globe by establishing Madarsas and mosques. Wahabis supported US in it`s war against USSR in Afghanistan. Their Madarsa`s provided cheap young soldiers with a militant tribal point of view directly in opposition to modernity.

Osama bin Laden was a mafios than and he is one now... he was just as cruel when he was fighting Russians.

Good going, Mr. Shah!

Cheers,
Ibrahim Malick

Wasn`t one moronic article on Usama enough on FP? Did we really need another one?