Iraq’s Future

The author ignores the fact that this mayhem and choas might actually be what the US desires in that region, afterall it is extremely profitable and there is nothing to show for where that money is being spent not to mention the higher oil prices, a windfall through and through, like a capitalist wet dream where the profits come in without a product or any input.

Make one or two mistakes and miscalculations and they are see as such make a whole series of them and do nothing to alter that pattern and you see deliberate design behind these ``mistakes``. Regarding the newly trained Iraqi military, there was a report a while back on NPR about how lightly they are equipped, one reason for why the Americans don`t want to equipt them properly is because they don`t trust them, those same Iraqi units might turn against the Americans or at the very least defy them as they did in the assault on Falluja. Reports coming out of Iraq suggest that Saddam was even willing to sell his mama to the Americans were they to put off the invasion but they refused, war and the resulting mayhem and profits were on their mind from the very start, we have a whole series of US interventions where they prefer to gate themselves in what they`ve bombed back into ``the stone age``. Saddam did much better in reconstruction after Gulf War 1 than what the US has done after comparatively smaller scale war, that should tell us something about US intentions.

Picture Iran being built up by the US as a mini hegemonous power of sorts, its actions in Iraq have ensured that, if the US moves out Iran will move in a step towards larger mayhem in the general middle east region. Their barbarism and long term plans are just warming up, as the poet has said

ibtada e ishq hey rota hey kya
aagey aagey dhaikh hota hey kya.

Read <<< Make one or two mistakes and miscalculations and they are see as such > as

Make one or two mistakes and miscalculations and they are seen as such (i.e. mistakes)

Re: # 2
Again same problem, let Arabs do what they want. No body is bothered about Pakistans Future. Things are not going well. Prices are shooting as usual for coming religious days. Indian agents in B.Stan are blowing up as usual electic wire carrying pylons,and back at work to blast pipelines. Baloch. Nationalists are making noises. All in mess and its strange people are worried about arabs. They are rich nations they can manage but what about Pakistan or it has to wait till iraq finds solution. As in another article this Arabphobia is making too much atteintion of people. No body is bothered about pakistan , the country they live in, Pakistani intelligent people worried about other`s business when our house is in disorder. We have this too much of Arabism. Let us talk about future of Pakistan for change.
Sabse Pehela Pakistan, reapeat ten tiimes.

Re #3, when selling books is of greater importance than national sovereignity, when the ``president`` of a nation answers more to Simon & Schuster and gets a pat on the back for a ``good job`` as he wags his tail in elation to Bush, a nation with such a ``leader`` is indeed in deep trouble.

Amir Jamaat-e-Islamia-e-Chowk-Ibn-Al-Qaeda, Pir of the Jamaat-e-men-only-club, Shreek of the Cult of the Fortune Tellers, Nostraduamn-e-Chowk! Masadus Complexii Psuedo Scholarii; opines below (re #4).

O Great Amir of the Jamaat, #3 is talking about folk like you and me. Ofcourse O great Shreek, you are also into prostituing your mind and selling your books sitting in the west. What difference does it make to the pakistani if an arab or two goes AWOL. The average Pakistani is in dire need of your serivces intellectual or otherwise.

The great Man in Islamabad has to make a living legally. If he does it through S&S so be it - you should not feel jealous of his abilities O Great Amir, Worlds greatest Shreek.
He has not sold Pakistan`s national Sovereignity. It was never there in the first place. He got it back from the the Buttos and the Nawazs.

In addition to #4 read this FAKE SHOWMANSHIP

As the poet has said,

Raaz khud mushtahar ho to mein kya karoon?

Author,

The situation in Iraq is getting worse each passing day. A lot needs to be done in order to put the house in order in Iraq and it must be done soon.

Your entire thesis is that USA has made terrible mistakes in Iraq and USA needs to correct them. You are wrong on both counts. USA did exactly what it wanted to do and the results are exactly what USA wants.

Let me state a few facts which you have not addressed:

1) You say ``More than two thousand five hundred American soldiers have been killed``

Perhaps regular army soldiers. The actual number of Americans killed is several times that because the occupation is not only by the US regular army but in equal part by `contractors` i.e. mercenaries. The most dangerous missions are carried out by these mercenaries who are the second largest force in Iraq numbering 120,000. These are the people running supply lines and convoys which are regularly attacked but the numbers are not counted in military casualties. The relatively modest number of 2500 (2600+ now) is therefore misleading. Details here.

The US army in Iraq actually lives in luxury. It is a far cry from when GIs used to wash their own socks and cook potatoes and beans in helmets. Now they are served hot food and laundry services by Halliburton/KBR, and their food trucks are guarded by Blackwater.

2) You say ``Iraq has already cost the Americans more than two hundred and fifty billion dollars already.``

The cost may be much more than that but it is not to the Americans. It is coming right out of Iraqi oil. Iraq is pumping oil at pre-war levels and the most protected facilities are the Oil facilities of Kirkuk etc. You read about insurgent attacks everywhere but never at oil facilities. It is because these are protected same as the green-zone in Baghdad. Do you really believe all that revenue is going to the `elected` democratic government of Iraq? Do you see that money being spent anywhere in Iraq? Do you see taxes going up in the US to fund their war effort through taxpayer money? The answer is no. Iraqis paid for their destruction and they will pay for their reconstruction. They`re still paying for Kuwait BTW.

3) Then you say ``American failures in Iraq have been potentially dangerous for all: the Americans, the Iraqis and the world at large. Today, the world is significantly less safer than what it was prior to the war in Iraq. The international community has had to bear the brunt of high oil prices—a direct outcome of America’s current policies in the Middle East.

Let`s take this one by one. The world is less safe but not the Americans. They are more or less as safe or as unsafe as before Iraq but certainly a lot richer. Look at the growth figures since 2003. The Iraqis of-course are unsafe (understatement) but that is besides the point and of no consequence to Americans. The international community has had to bear the brunt of high oil prices but not the Americans because gas at $3 a gallon is well within reach when family incomes in USA have grown by 5%+ every year, and now gas is back to previous levels. In the meantime, Exxon Mobil posted the largest quarterly profit in US history of $9.9bn. Plus there`s a fire-sale of Iraqi assets going on.

There are more observations, but I`ll suffice with this. US destroyed Afghanistan and left the mess with NATO to clean up. US destroyed Iraq and will soon leave it to Iraqis to handle while keeping the Oil under its bases it is building there. US destroyed Lebanon through Israel and has assigned Israel never to let it get back on its feet as it sees it as a conduit for Iranian influence in the heart of M.E. In fact, all that USA is doing, is right according to plan while laughing all the way to the bank.

But history has a way of upsetting even the most well thought out plans.

Re: # 7

Zee Jee,

Jaan ke amaan ho tho kuch arz hai...

``.....Perhaps regular army soldiers. The actual number of Americans killed is several times that because the occupation is not only by the US regular army but in equal part by `contractors` i.e. mercenaries``....

Do u have any actual numbers? What is the source of your thesis?

``....The cost may be much more than that but it is not to the Americans. It is coming right out of Iraqi oil. Iraq is pumping oil at pre-war levels and the most protected facilities are the Oil facilities of Kirkuk etc. You read about insurgent attacks everywhere but never at oil facilities. It is because these are protected same as the green-zone in Baghdad........``

Iraqi oil is pumping at pre-war levels? For starters do u even know how much oil Iraq was producing pre-invasion? Passing sweeping statements that have no factual backings or realistic basis. If you ha the slightest inkling of energy markets u wud have known that oil prices are carrying political and supply risk premiums which includes lack of oil supplies.

``....Do you see taxes going up in the US to fund their war effort through taxpayer money? The answer is no. Iraqis paid for their destruction and they will pay for their reconstruction``

US budget surplus till 2001....now deficit....kapeesch.....Republican economic policies....spend, spend, lower taxes.....

Thats enough for one day, your entire economic/political thesis is flawed and premised on deep-seated prejuidices.

cheers....

the new colonialists have the same arguments the old colonialists had.....

....oh we can`t abandon the country the natives will kill each other -- the country will disintegrate in chaos...!

if the criminal invaders had so much love for that country and their people -- as the statistics of Fallujas, Ramadis, and Abu Gharibs show -- 150,000 Iraqis dead -- 300,000 maimed and injured -- the infrastructure in shambles -- the irresponsible bastards would not have invaded a fully functioning country, in the first place -- would they?

of course the natives will kill each other -- some scores for quislingship will be settled -- the pent up animosities -- deliberately promoted by the invaders -- between the ethnic groups, sects and the religious communities will boil over -- so what -- the countries will remain where they are -- wont disappear -- as in Vietnam -- as in case of the desi subcontinent......

and that will happen to Iraq as well -- despite the permanently prostrate `President` Jalal Talabani and his back stabbing killer kurdish kuislings.....the man would like his American Uncle to Karve Kurdistan for him from Turkey, Syria and Iran -- like they did from Iraq -- or stay with 2 permanent bases and 10,000 Americans as his personal life guards in Iraq -- (what 140,000 couldn`t do 10 thousand will do!) -- what a moron!.

......little does he know that as soon as the Americans depart it is his `presidentship` that will be carved out in four parts by the neighbors -- not the country.

#8 by rf786

Iraqi oil is pumping at pre-war levels? For starters do u even know how much oil Iraq was producing pre-invasion?....political and supply risk premiums...lack of oil supplies

Just to prove the damn fool that you are, here`re the figures from none other than Energy Information Administration of the US Govt. In fact production now is more than pre-war levels at 2.093 million bbl/day Vs. 2.03 million bbl/day in 2002:



Rest of your post is equally damn-foolish.

Re: # 10

Zee Jee,
Namashkaar, Salaam, Shalom, Aadab arz hai....jehan punna kee jai ho...reading your angry riposte reminds me of that beloved chocolate hero Waheed Murad and his famous song....Kuch log ruht ker bhee lagthay hein kithnay pyaray.....

Maths does not seem to be your forte....later

#11 by rf786

....later

What else. You need time to google something to defend your stupid assertion.

Re: # 10 & # 12

Zee Jee,

Some ppl do have a life, a job, a family, friends...thus the delay, a thousand apologies for havinga life dearest....

Now coming back to your thesis...First of all, you are using data provided by Uncle Sam `Govt` agency, now we have two problems here (1) Zee using kuffar ka data and (2) its the `Govt` stupid, even the ppl of America do not believe what they say. Do you really believe their assertion that Iraqi Oil fields are back to normal? Either u r very naive or simply clutching for straws.

More importantly, assuming US Govt numbers are correct. Lets use Oil averaging $60 (which is being generous) for the last One year. Iraqi production was lets be generous and assume averaged 2.0MMBD. Now everyone knows fields do not operate for the full 365days of a year, but lets for Zee sake assume they did. Now we also know Iraqi domestic consumption to be 0.5Million, that leaves 1.5MMBD for export. Meaning:

60x360x1,500,000=US$32.4BN of oil revenues.

Since we are in the mood of being overly generous, lets assume profit margins were 50%..which leaves us with net profits of $16.2BN per annum.

Now lets go back to what u had pontificated:

{2) You say ``Iraq has already cost the Americans more than two hundred and fifty billion dollars already.``}

$250BN has been spent on Eye Rak, according to your thesis they have generated $16.2BN in oil income....Hoond sumaj mai aasy thay na aasy? There remains a deficit of US$233.8BN
Assuming the entire oil revenues were taken by the US Govt, even then the shortfall is a mammoth US$220 Billion.

Yaani ke, Jinaab e aaloo...u have no fkng idea of what u r talking about. Next time u wish to be erudite and not be embarrased take a course in humility.

And, Iam still waiting for your source with reference to the lost contractors.

With love and care.....

#13 by rf786

Damn-Fool radio frquency, this is what I had written back in March 2006.

#1 by zeemax on March 5, 2006 12:47pm PT

Oil prices will touch $ 75 and crash when the others increase production.

What was the max traded oil price in the current crisis? Was it $75? Now it is below $60.

You can keep your moronic hypothetical arguments about oil prices to yourself. I didn`t read them.

As for the contractors` casualties, there are no figures. You can go and ask Blackwater whose 4 were dismembered and hung on a bridge in full public view in Falluja alone on a warm summer day.

....contd....

Okay I read your garbage re oil production and Iraq. Of-course in your immense stupidity you`re saying whatever domestic consumption was for free. The total revenue estimated from 2.09m barrels production per day @ even average $60/bbl comes to $183 billion in four years, when Oil has been over $70 in the past year. The total revenue would thus be no less than the $250 billion you quoted, even assuming that is indeed the war cost. And it is the TOTAL revenue ... profits have nothing to do with it. The Americans are operating the filelds themselves and that is included in the war cost.

Then you quote `me` as saying (``2) You say ``Iraq has already cost the Americans more than two hundred and fifty billion dollars already.``}. I didn`t say that. The author did.

You`re just enormously ignorant.

Re: # 15 & 14

Zee Tv,
Your hypocrisy, duplicity has no limits.....what u said when oil was @$75 has no bearing to this discussion. You may thump yourself or whatever, no one gives a sh!t what u said back in 1961....

Since u suffer from selective amnesia and keeping the gist of argument in perspective, lets examine what u said in your post in this thread....

``The cost may be much more than that but it is not to the Americans. It is coming right out of Iraqi oil. Iraq is pumping oil at pre-war levels and the most protected facilities are the Oil facilities of Kirkuk etc.....``

Then u go on with your humungous stupidity...

``Do you see taxes going up in the US to fund their war effort through taxpayer money? The answer is no. Iraqis paid for their destruction and they will pay for their reconstruction.``

Your incorrect assertion that Iraqi oil production was sufficient and US tax payers had no contribution towards the $250Bn spent was the basis of this argument, if u wish to retract your absurdity I have no problem.

In a nutshell, your conclusions were totally false and based on flawed/prejuidiced information.

What will happen going forward is a different story, whether oil prices stay at $70 or $60 those are assumptions and u r trying to divert the discussion away from your earlier crap droppings. Any case, if I need advise regarding oil prices rest assured I will not be looking for Zee TV cause u have completly exposed yourself.

As I said earlier, youhave no idea of economics, politics or basic manners of debate ie you are a complete fake with bad manners.

As they say in urdu...khisyani billee khamba nochay.....that applies perfectly to Zee Tv..