9/11: DOB of Islamophobia

Irena Akbar,
Islamophobia is most certainly a problem for muslims or their lookalikes in general, but there is another problem which this argument fails to address and that is the fear of another terrorist attack. When suicide bombers hit civilians in Mardid, London, NY, Bali etc then the question which needs to asked who is responsible? Problem with the Muslim world has been a reluctance to accept they have loonie bins in their midst. Everything is turned into a conspiracy theory involving theose evil jews and raunchy texan cowboy. Reality is very different from their perception of the world, thus the delusion they are under attack. Having said that, Uncle Sam is equally responsible if not more. Had Bush Jr not gone on his meglomaniacal escapade into EE-Rak things wud have not deteriorated to the level where they are today.

On a separate note but related, we all have experienced Islamophobia one way or another, but being a Pakistani with a Paki passport this racial discrimination was being practiced well before 9/11. Even today, our brotherly state Kuwait refuses to grant work visas to Pakistanis, Soodi Arabia has slapped a total ban of Paki males under 40years wishing to perform umra or Hajj in their individual capacity. So who is guilty of violating basic human rights? Questions muslims need to ask themselves.

testing friends to see if the ban has been uplifted

SR ... i.e. Hamidm.

Bulleya,

NATO is increasingly losing confidence and an expert was saying yesterday that war against Taliban is unwinnable. Four Canadians were killed in the very village which they had declared as Taliban-free a day ago. According to NATO ``Taliban are everywhere``.

More troops or armaments won`t help. It only takes a home-made IED to disable a $ half-million tank, making the crew sitting ducks for RPGs.

Question is, the allies cannot afford to lose in Afghanistan. They cannot afford to withdraw from Iraq. Any campaign against Iran will result in (as per Fox analyst) ``annihilation of 130,000 US troops in Iraq``. So what are the realistic options available to the allies?

#114 by SR

Thanks for the info. I hope there aren`t groups of Muslims in there with him splashing water all around the out-houses preparing for prayers. That really pisses him off.

#128 by nasah


[only to get smacked back right on both of his own eyes -- making him blind to see the difference between legal intelligence gathering and becoming an outright Gestapo torturer -- causing a lack of `clarity` of a cataract vision -- that can hardly distinguish a banana from a dynamite stick -- Geneva from Abu Gharib -- turning him into a dyslexic fascist hell bent on relocating Geneva somewhere in Guantanamo Bay. ]

nasah,

You seem to mouth off quite a lot on this forum, so let me ask you this question. If you have the moral integrity, you will answer this (in the past, no one on this forum has):

Let`s suppose you caught a bunch of Iraqi ``insurgents`` red-handed - right in the act, that is, and arrested them.

Let us also suppose that you knew that they were planning to detonate a nuclear device that would kill millions of innocents, and the disaster could be averted by extracting that information through torture, from these ``insurgents``, WOULD YOU DO IT? Or would you read the Geneva conventions prisoners` rights to them and wait for the certain death of millions?

Don`t try to avert the question by saying:

1) It is an unrealistic situation, or

2) The nuclear disaster situation is much more serious than the existing disaster situations in Iraq

Why?

Because we are talking about a principle here.

And I`d like to find out the basis for your principles and moral indignation.

Islam did not bring 9/11 -- Osama did -- and Osama is not Islam -- nor Islam is Osama --

if our fascist stupido Tom Thumb balistiya man -- now defending TORTURE as the `President` of a country like the United State -- who was never cut out for a Jeffersonian Job -- knew the difference -- he would not have attacked an Eye-Rock....

only to get smacked back right on both of his own eyes -- making him blind to see the difference between legal intelligence gathering and becoming an outright Gestapo torturer -- causing a lack of `clarity` of a cataract vision -- that can hardly distinguish a banana from a dynamite stick -- Geneva from Abu Gharib -- turning him into a dyslexic fascist hell bent on relocating Geneva somewhere in Guantanamo Bay.

tahmed32, --..--, Zeemax, and all other friends

Thanks for remembering and for the welcome. Recovery continues. While there is still much distance to cover, for a person blessed with so many well-wishers, no burden can be too heavy. Thanks again.


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Please! That seems almost sacrilegious :)

i was planning to do some serious world-tourism but maybe i will wait..based on romairs thinking there will be a draft and i will have to go see the world as a GI apparently.

#121 VRV

My point is that ``progressive`` intellectuals like Irena are always pre-occupied with racism in USA, mistreatment by Israelis, wickedness of the british etc. They dont give a rats ass about the $10 billion dollars or more spent by the Saudis in advancing their brutish cult, the decimation of minorities in islamic countries (pak, bangladesh), the cultural genocide of the tibetans, the current mass murder of black sudanese.

She is all upset that her sister, who has chosen to settle amongst the most kafir nation, cannot carry some religous objects with her !! But she is not upset by any of the things I have mentioned.

There is only word for this kind of behavior: shameless hypocrisy. Regrettably, we have many such educated people in india.

#123, #122

Yaar Romair, I thought you were trying to kick the habit!

I know it is difficult.

You were never a great supporter of economy - in words. Why say in one sentence what can be expanded over a page?!

Anyway, stop being so apprehensive (You did not catch it from Irena, did you)? Nobody is coming after you - not unless you are one of the crooks. (Are you?)

Did it appear to you - even for ONE second, that security measures protect EVERYONE – yes, including Muslims!

But you don’t see that – all you see is that “oh, victim Muslim me!” Like those naajuk ladies in old movies.

“Bachaao, koi bachaao!!”

What is this?! A secret short-circuit running through the pipeline of the ummah?!! Push a button in any one spot and whole bunch of red light bulbs go flash, flash everywhere else?!!!

Screw your paranoia - and screw your (no better than wolf Naqshi`s) creepy sense of ``us Muslims`` versus ``those Hindus`` and ``those Christians``. You idiot, idiot moron of million words – at what point did they take a screw driver and molest that limited mindscape of your head with those prejudicial feelings – in grade school?!!

Screw you and what you stand for – a thousand, thousand times!

A million times!

What is your Muslimness to you? The cover that covers your whole darn life – no matter what creepy crap lies under it? That covers your collective asses? Cover it – cover it all! And pretend it is all nice and comfy down there?

So you get your head stuck in there?

Sometimes I really begin to think that the friggin` Pakistanis here have really lost the ability to think of themselves as anything other than Muslims! There is that “Muslimness” and its unique ability to crowd out any independent judgment ability. The vamp sucked that ability right out of those limited minds! I wish I could pick a cricket bat and whip every one of those numbskull asses!

People really need to read the book, ``Jerusalem Countdown.`` by Reverend John Hagee. This is a best seller. John is considered one of the most powerful poltically influential religious figures in the USA. Hagee has been described in Wikipedia as,

``Hagee is the President and CEO of John Hagee Ministries which telecasts his national radio and television ministry carried in America on 160 T.V. stations, 50 radio stations and eight networks. The ministries can be seen and heard weekly in 99 million homes....Hagee was awarded the ``Humanitarian of the Year`` award by the San Antonio B`nai B`rith Council. It was the first time in the history of San Antonio that this award has been given to a gentile. Dr. Hagee was presented the ZOA Israel Award by U.N. Ambassador Jean Kirkpatrick. This award was given by the Jewish Community of Dallas, Texas......``

Nothing wrong with the above. Nothing wrong, until one reads this guy`s views. And then realizes that it is people like this who hold the Republicans in their palms. This is why I find the arguments of so many Republican supporters on this site, who keep pushing these guys` policies, via the Republican parties, while simultaneously highlighting the maulvis in the rest of the world.

As I have always said, the USA is drifting away from the rest of the Western world. I would be more concerned about John Hagee`s of the world than the Qazi Hussein`s..........John Hagee`s have real power....The guy is heard in 99 million homes, and has the most powerful political party in the palm of its hands! Qazi Hussein barely has one radio station and can barely win his own seat..........

P.S. I would like to highlight to our Hindu brethren on this site, that while these evangelicals do give Muslims and Jews some chance of making it to heaven (specifically Muslims, since they recognize Christ), they give zero chance to Hindus and others who don`t recognize Christ.......So you may not want to join up too closely with them...........

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``His latest book, Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, interprets the Bible to predict that Russian and Arab armies will invade Israel and be destroyed by God.

This will set up a confrontation over Israel between China and the West, led by the anti-Christ, who will be the head of the European Union, Pastor Hagee writes.

That final battle between East and West - at Armageddon, as the actual Israeli location of Meggido is known in English - will precipitate the second coming of Christ, he concludes.....

And there are far more evangelicals in America than Jews - estimates suggest that they represent about a quarter of the US population. (Jews make up about 2%.)``

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5193092.stm

Remember 99 million homes! When he goes to Washington with his evangelical friends, according to his own admission, Senators and Reps line up to meet him........They have to line up, since his followers represent a quarter of the votes in the USA!!!

Following is a must hear: It is a speech on what is motivating the current politics in th USA. It has an interesting speech by Pastor Hagey(?) at a Christian Zionism convention. It was attended by the head of the Republican party. Bush sent a message, as well. It`s quite scary......These guys scare me far more than any maulvi will....primarily because they already have nukes...........

23% of the USA`s voting population are Christian Evangelicals. 41% of the population are Christian Conservatives (I would not have believed this number, had I not heard it on CNN). This is the group that the Republican party is beholden to. This group wins the bottom geographical half of the USA for Republicans, regardless of how well or poorly the Republicans perform. To get an idea of the power of this group, Rush Limbaugh, alone has an audience of 20 million listeners a day in the USA!

George Bush and religious Republicans thus have 1/3rd of the US votebank in their pocket. They just have to compete for the remaining 2/3rd. Democrats thus have to get 51% of the total vote, while Republicans have to get only another 17%.

Interestingly according to Christian Zionism, all Jews will eventually convert to Christianity or die. Hence the Jewish religion is not realized as a legitimate religion by this group. Neither is any other religion for that matter.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6097356

Re: # 120

Irene,

Thanks that u admitted the faux-paus on Gujarat.

Let me rephrase ur post.

>>>>>The Muslim-vaadis capitalised on this ``Hinduphobia`` and used it as an effective marketing tool in the mass murder of Hindus which had its roots in nothing but sheer hatred of Hindus.<<<<<

This is called, if I may say so, application of similar logic during Direct Action Day to whack-off innocents, incidentally Hindus. This was follwed by decisive retaliation of similar kind against innocent Muslims by Hindus.

Wud u kindly remove the religious affiliation and see the things in secular perspective????

Things wud be much clearer and less poisonous, I feel.

What do u say?, Irene?

Re: # 118

Alright, I may have gone a bit overboard by stating that Gujarat-2002 may not have happened were it not for 9/11 but I do believe that saffron organisations in India have become bolder in their vicious anti-Muslim propaganada after 9/11. Gujarat riots began barely six months after 9/11. That was the time when suspicion vis-a-vis Muslims was at its peak. The Hindutva-vaadis capitalised on this ``Islamophobia`` and used it as an effective marketing tool in the mass murder of Muslims which had its roots in nothing but sheer hatred of Muslims.

#117

[That 9/11 was orchestrated by some frustrated youth in the name of Islam is obvious]

Aaah, that youthful Osama….

Now, THERE`S a youth for you! Aaah, those youths - such charming characters they make. With multiple wives nagging at him - it is perhaps understandable that he would be ``frustrated``!

But how conveniently you ignore #1 which accuses you and other writers like you so directly for contributing to that herd mentality which leads to more events along those lines!

If only some people could stick their necks a little out of the shell they so proudly and determinedly wrap around themselves!

Like a chador - which shall always stay inviolate!

thanks lucknowi (irena) for clarifying. but the link betwenn 9/11 and Gujrat riots is very weak is not obvious. gujrat seems to have its own genesis and trajectory. could you clarify how you draw this link?