NEW YORK—He suggested it was ``plausible`` that George W. Bush was behind the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, vowed to ride a horse to the United Nations if Washington tried to deny visas to his entourage and promised solidarity with Iran in the face of an American attack..........
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Mohammad Gill September 18, 2006
#7 Posted by Ranjit on September 19, 2006 1:34:20 am
Re:echoboom#5
[...AMERICA HAS LOST THE IRAQI WAR......]
Has it occured to you that it is the Iraqis who have lost the war? What is it to America? They will declare victory one day and just pull out their troops from Iraq. Then they can start operations in some other place either directly or via proxies.
Iraqis are now living in a hell and it will remain a hell whether America stays or leaves. The reason is simple. Iraqis started out by resisting against US occupation. However, now they have degenerated into a full blown sectrian civil war. Every day 40-50 people - either Shias or Sunnis - are getting slaughtered by the other side. The parallel is with India which started with resisting British rule and ended up with full blown hindu-muslim violence during partition. Another example is the Balkans where sectrian bloodshed set new records.
The only outcome after the US leaves will be partition in Iraq resulting in 3 new states - Sunni, Shia and Kurd. Each of these states will be eternal enemies of the other like India/Pakistan. Millions will die and be ethnically cleansed and uprooted.
It is really tragic since Iraqis actually got a golden chance to establish a democratic government after Saddam was ousted. Most dictatorships in this world do not get that chance. If they could have come together and established democratic rule with peace and prosperity for all, they could have built a shining new Iraq. Instead they are literally committing mass suicide by killing each other meaninglessly.
[...AMERICA HAS LOST THE IRAQI WAR......]
Has it occured to you that it is the Iraqis who have lost the war? What is it to America? They will declare victory one day and just pull out their troops from Iraq. Then they can start operations in some other place either directly or via proxies.
Iraqis are now living in a hell and it will remain a hell whether America stays or leaves. The reason is simple. Iraqis started out by resisting against US occupation. However, now they have degenerated into a full blown sectrian civil war. Every day 40-50 people - either Shias or Sunnis - are getting slaughtered by the other side. The parallel is with India which started with resisting British rule and ended up with full blown hindu-muslim violence during partition. Another example is the Balkans where sectrian bloodshed set new records.
The only outcome after the US leaves will be partition in Iraq resulting in 3 new states - Sunni, Shia and Kurd. Each of these states will be eternal enemies of the other like India/Pakistan. Millions will die and be ethnically cleansed and uprooted.
It is really tragic since Iraqis actually got a golden chance to establish a democratic government after Saddam was ousted. Most dictatorships in this world do not get that chance. If they could have come together and established democratic rule with peace and prosperity for all, they could have built a shining new Iraq. Instead they are literally committing mass suicide by killing each other meaninglessly.
#6 Posted by nasah on September 18, 2006 9:22:39 pm
as a presian proverb says -- darogh go ra nu haafeza bashad -- a liar has no long term memory -- Bush was a liar is a liar and will continues to be a liar -- and it is not even his fault -- coke and alcohol have not only burnt his memory centers in his cerebral cortex -- the excesses of his fraternity days have irreparably scarred his Thalamic Conscience....as well.
in defense of torture -- the little dyslexic man with an atrophied mind and a contorted fascist face -- struggles to convince -- ``my fellow Americans`` -- about the the benefits of nazi torture techniques -- sounds more and more pathetic by every passing day....
.....to a point where one almost feels sorry for the man desperately searching thru his syntax challanged limited mind for some good arguments in support of Gestapo torture chambers....just short of Nazi ovens.
Thanks for calling a spade a spade -- freethinker.
in defense of torture -- the little dyslexic man with an atrophied mind and a contorted fascist face -- struggles to convince -- ``my fellow Americans`` -- about the the benefits of nazi torture techniques -- sounds more and more pathetic by every passing day....
.....to a point where one almost feels sorry for the man desperately searching thru his syntax challanged limited mind for some good arguments in support of Gestapo torture chambers....just short of Nazi ovens.
Thanks for calling a spade a spade -- freethinker.
#5 Posted by echoboom on September 18, 2006 8:55:55 pm
AMERICA HAS LOST THE IRAQI WAR
Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com
The Pentagon`s latest quarterly ``progress`` report to Congress on Iraq is a grim tale of a lost war. The Pentagon told Congress what Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and propaganda organs such as Fox ``News`` never tell the American public. - Paul Craig Roberts
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#4 Posted by echoboom on September 18, 2006 8:45:35 pm
The glorious success of the assembling of 128 heads of state in Havana Cuba, and the
explicit hard-core environment against the United Satan was a joy to behold.
This carpet lion was never ever really a super-power. Humbled & humiliated by every nation it has tried to take Pangaa; its greates ``feat`` is its defeat EVERYWHERE.
It only excels in telling lies about itself & torpors around the world in a stupor of selfr-grandeur.
No wonder the ones who have been enslaved throughout their recorded history would seek comfort & solace to prop up even this Jackal-of-Straw.
L`aanUt bUr Amreekaa:
Aaaaaaaakhhhhhhhhh Thhhhooooooooooooooooooooooo!

explicit hard-core environment against the United Satan was a joy to behold.
This carpet lion was never ever really a super-power. Humbled & humiliated by every nation it has tried to take Pangaa; its greates ``feat`` is its defeat EVERYWHERE.
It only excels in telling lies about itself & torpors around the world in a stupor of selfr-grandeur.
No wonder the ones who have been enslaved throughout their recorded history would seek comfort & solace to prop up even this Jackal-of-Straw.
L`aanUt bUr Amreekaa:
Aaaaaaaakhhhhhhhhh Thhhhooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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Analysts say bid puts Washington in no-win situation
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#3 Posted by bjkumar on September 18, 2006 6:48:49 pm
Gill Sahib,
I think you are grossly mistaken. Political polls have their ups and downs, Don`t read too much into them.
And don`t start making predictions.
Remember the Cheney?!! He is still around.
#2 Posted by Kamath on September 18, 2006 4:54:57 pm
Dear Mohammad Gill:
You may think it is cute to have the words regime change in your colomn. But hold your sarcasm!
Most Americans know when to kick the politicians out! United States has never been an Utopian state at any time, but is a practical democracy. People have learnt over a long time by trial and error and experience and know how to guide the nation. That is why there was a change in administartion after the Vietnam war, when Soviets invaded Afghanistan and finally after the end of Gulf war when victorius George Bush I was removed. Just imagine Iran in its place!
Democracy works and even a bad democracy is better than any other forms of political regime.
Kamath
You may think it is cute to have the words regime change in your colomn. But hold your sarcasm!
Most Americans know when to kick the politicians out! United States has never been an Utopian state at any time, but is a practical democracy. People have learnt over a long time by trial and error and experience and know how to guide the nation. That is why there was a change in administartion after the Vietnam war, when Soviets invaded Afghanistan and finally after the end of Gulf war when victorius George Bush I was removed. Just imagine Iran in its place!
Democracy works and even a bad democracy is better than any other forms of political regime.
Kamath
#1 Posted by SR on September 18, 2006 3:00:52 pm
A very timely piece, Gill sahib. America is at a cross-roads, no doubt.
President Bush has made five speeches in the past two weeks. In all of them, he has sought to use the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks to put the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in a more politically viable context. This is a political signal that the White House has seen it necessary to send the President out five times in two weeks in these Congressional elections. It is a signal of political desperation this early in the campaign. There is a long time to go until November 7. This is the election President Bush cannot afford to lose. If the Republicans lose the House, the doors are wide open for full scale impeachment proceedings. That, by itself, ensures that this election will be one of the most grim and bitterly fought ever.
The commemoration of the tragedy of 9/11 five years ago was a full-scale media assault upon the minds of Americans. It was a full-scale political attempt to make 9/11 - not the Declaration of Independence - the ``new`` defining moment in American history. It was terrorisation by propaganda.
``Our history starts here. Live in fear. LIVE IN FEAR!`` This is an old ploy in politics. All revolutionaries in history have used it. What all such attempts amount to is an attempt to replace a nation`s history with a new ethos, new symbols to replace the old, new historical landmarks to replace the old. This is done to make the public forget their past or think about it as being irrelevant.
If American history now starts at 9/11, then the Declaration of Independence disappears into the past and so does the Constitution. Replacing them, a new ``National Security State`` rises.
The United States of America is then no longer ``the land of the free and the home of the brave`` where Americans remember the ``self-evident truths``. It is a land where people cower in fear and terror.
President Bush has made five speeches in the past two weeks. In all of them, he has sought to use the fifth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks to put the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in a more politically viable context. This is a political signal that the White House has seen it necessary to send the President out five times in two weeks in these Congressional elections. It is a signal of political desperation this early in the campaign. There is a long time to go until November 7. This is the election President Bush cannot afford to lose. If the Republicans lose the House, the doors are wide open for full scale impeachment proceedings. That, by itself, ensures that this election will be one of the most grim and bitterly fought ever.
The commemoration of the tragedy of 9/11 five years ago was a full-scale media assault upon the minds of Americans. It was a full-scale political attempt to make 9/11 - not the Declaration of Independence - the ``new`` defining moment in American history. It was terrorisation by propaganda.
``Our history starts here. Live in fear. LIVE IN FEAR!`` This is an old ploy in politics. All revolutionaries in history have used it. What all such attempts amount to is an attempt to replace a nation`s history with a new ethos, new symbols to replace the old, new historical landmarks to replace the old. This is done to make the public forget their past or think about it as being irrelevant.
If American history now starts at 9/11, then the Declaration of Independence disappears into the past and so does the Constitution. Replacing them, a new ``National Security State`` rises.
The United States of America is then no longer ``the land of the free and the home of the brave`` where Americans remember the ``self-evident truths``. It is a land where people cower in fear and terror.
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