Revolt in Paradise

tahmed in #68 <<< The damage done by these kingships I think was in keeping the Age of Reason, along with other ``dangerous`` western influences notably the questioning of the ``Divine Right of Kings`` that dawned on europe from spreading into the muslim world. >>>

The ``age of reason``, innovation and the resulting scientific method dawned in Muslim societies long before it ever reached the West, this is according to leading historians like Robert Briffault:

It is highly probable that but for the Arabs, modern European civilization would have never assumed that character which has enabled it to transcend all previous phases of evolution. For although there is not a single aspect of human growth in which the decisive influence of Islamic culture is not traceable, nowhere is it so clear and momentous as in the genesis of that power which constitutes the paramount distinctive force of the modern world and the supreme course of its victory-natural sciences and the scientific spirit... What we call science arose in Europe as a result of a new spirit of inquiry; of new methods of investigation, of the method of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of Mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs.[Robert Briffault, The Making of Humanity(1928)]

It is quite baffling that tahmed was justifying colonization and terming it and the ``anglo saxon` ethos beneficial, now he takes it even further back by justifying the Crusades saying they had little impact when they have determined Christian perceptions of Islam, through a whole enterprise of Crusader inspired caricatures and Muslim perceptions of the Christian world through the explicitly religiously motivated barbarism of the crusaders that carries over to this day. He further does not have any clue about the so called Kingships in the Muslim world which had largely autonomous and decentralized rule, and did not involve any ``divine right`` of Kings. He is trying to outdo the most conservative of the Western apologists, even they will not go to the extent of supporting the Crusades and the religiously motivated carnage they caused.

in #69 below, it should be ``Sir Syed (and indian hindus)``

dot #38 This man whose picture you included is cut from the same cloth as our pakistani paindoos who stand humbly in line to get visas to the west, and once secure in their residency or citizenship status, start to spit on it.

Glad you agreed on the (admittedly somewhat oversimplified) linkage of Iqbal (and indian muslims) with the Romantic Hero and of Sir Syed (and indian muslims) with the Age of Reason. These damed romantic heroes of the muslim world keep too many muslims living in a dream world, while the rest of the world is moving forward to become increasingly progressive in terms of not merely military technology and easy welath, but in terms of economic growth and political progress.

aslam #52 I think the crusades had only a marginal influence on muslim society - the europeans back then were economically and technologically were basically at par with muslims, and their conquests were limited to jerusalem and the ``crusader kingdoms`` that did stretch along the eastern mediterranean coast (levant) and inland to current day syria. The mongols (whose vassal tribe the ottomans started of as) had a more lasting impact i think, in terms of firmly establishing kingships (and the associated sharia laws). The real rot in muslim societies was internal, however. This rot being the result of the perpetuation of kingships (khalifas).

The damage done by these kingships I think was in keeping the Age of Reason, along with other ``dangerous`` western influences notably the questioning of the ``Divine Right of Kings`` that dawned on europe from spreading into the muslim world. Only after getting routinely clobbered by the ever-strengthening europeans (starting with the defeat in the Austro-Ottoman war of the late 17th century) did the ottomans start making some moves in trying to catch up - but picked on the low-hanging fruits of western civilization only - namely military technology.

This preoccupation with picking on this low-hanging fruit - military technology - while remaining contemptuous of the soil provided by the Age of Reason, remains to this day the curse of muslim societies.

#61 by hasanmahmood

[it is NOT pappistani - it is Pakistani just like it is not fir but phir. What are you - a hindu!!!!!!]

Omigosh, you actually noticed the subtle difference! What are you – a Paapistani???

Re: # 64
[...should fight for Hindus taking a shower daily rather than stand up for America...]

Sure... what about you bedouins and wannab-bedouins?... when are you going to take your first shower?... Remember, washing your earlobes a few times ain`t a shower... :)

Re: # 63
lol - so now we are ``wannabe-bedouins``. Dont you think it is better than to suck gora ``you know what``. But I guess you guys are used to it. I guess you always want another race to look after you. first it was the muslims, than the British and now Bush. Can`t you ever do anything yourself except make your mothers and sisters dance - lol

Re: # 9
thousand apologies for saying anything against your country. Dont you think you should fight for Hindus taking a shower daily rather than stand up for America.......

Re: # 61
[...it is NOT pappistani -it is Pakistani...]

It`s not even ``Pakistani``, it`s actually ``Bakistani``... that`s the way your bedouin masters pronounce it... so you wannabe-bedouins might as well speak the same way.. and also it fits better... :)

Urstruly:54

The whole world is applauding.

Chavez is another darling of the world. The United Satans--this was my coinage--is being zaleeled right and left everywhere.

InshaAllah we the collapse would come sooner than even anticipated.

Ahmediejad--Zindabaad
Hugo Chavez Zindabaad
Fidel Castro--Zinda-O-Paindabaad.

Lakhh LaanUt on the United-Satan; Aaaakhhhhh Thhhooooooooooo!

Re: # 51
it is NOT pappistani - it is Pakistani just like it is not fir but phir. What are you - a hindu!!!!!!

#58 the cheapdo, mullahashishi, Jamaat-e-chowk-ibn-al-qaeda Amir Shreik Zeemax is going bonkers. Will the members of the Jamaat-e-chowk please return it back to him.

What now?

Re: # 58

Precisely because darfur board is empty... macacas need some pakis to kick around... no pakis, no board....

Just wondering ... all these macacas keep harping upon darfur ... and the darfur board is empty. Why?

#51 by bjkumar

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Have you dropped your demand of introductions from Mr. Macaca? Now you`re appeasing him.

Re: # 53 GT

I thought you would figure out the answer to your question from my post.

But let me explain my point with a short answer through this timeline:


August 1941 - The Atlantic Charter is signed (details are in my last post)

December 1941 - Pearle Harbor

December 1941 - US declares itself a combatant in WWII (1 wk after Pearle Harbor). But keep in mind that this war was declared on Japan and not on Germany. However, it was Germany that declared war on US.

October 1942 - Roosevelt passes a law called ``Trading with Enemy Act`` that prohibits American businesses from trading with countries hostile to US. And that is exactly one year after war was decalred between US and Germany. Until this act was passed almost every major corporation in US was doing full business with Nazis including the grandfather of President Bush, Prescott Bush who was a wall street banker.

I think most of the record of business in the war period between US and Germany has been made to disappear since it puts US government in an embarassing position. Jews have vested interest in not embarassing US government, hence, this fact has been swept under the rug of obscure history.