AMERICA HAS LOST THE IRAQI WAR

Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com

The Pentagon`s latest quarterly ``progress`` report to Congress on Iraq is a grim tale of a lost war. The Pentagon told Congress what Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and propaganda organs such as Fox ``News`` never tell the American public. - Paul Craig Roberts


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as a presian proverb says -- darogh go ra nu haafeza bashad -- a liar has no long term memory -- Bush was a liar is a liar and will continues to be a liar -- and it is not even his fault -- coke and alcohol have not only burnt his memory centers in his cerebral cortex -- the excesses of his fraternity days have irreparably scarred his Thalamic Conscience....as well.

in defense of torture -- the little dyslexic man with an atrophied mind and a contorted fascist face -- struggles to convince -- ``my fellow Americans`` -- about the the benefits of nazi torture techniques -- sounds more and more pathetic by every passing day....

.....to a point where one almost feels sorry for the man desperately searching thru his syntax challanged limited mind for some good arguments in support of Gestapo torture chambers....just short of Nazi ovens.

Thanks for calling a spade a spade -- freethinker.

Re:echoboom#5

[...AMERICA HAS LOST THE IRAQI WAR......]

Has it occured to you that it is the Iraqis who have lost the war? What is it to America? They will declare victory one day and just pull out their troops from Iraq. Then they can start operations in some other place either directly or via proxies.

Iraqis are now living in a hell and it will remain a hell whether America stays or leaves. The reason is simple. Iraqis started out by resisting against US occupation. However, now they have degenerated into a full blown sectrian civil war. Every day 40-50 people - either Shias or Sunnis - are getting slaughtered by the other side. The parallel is with India which started with resisting British rule and ended up with full blown hindu-muslim violence during partition. Another example is the Balkans where sectrian bloodshed set new records.

The only outcome after the US leaves will be partition in Iraq resulting in 3 new states - Sunni, Shia and Kurd. Each of these states will be eternal enemies of the other like India/Pakistan. Millions will die and be ethnically cleansed and uprooted.

It is really tragic since Iraqis actually got a golden chance to establish a democratic government after Saddam was ousted. Most dictatorships in this world do not get that chance. If they could have come together and established democratic rule with peace and prosperity for all, they could have built a shining new Iraq. Instead they are literally committing mass suicide by killing each other meaninglessly.

America, which at the current time is defined not by its people but by its elite, lives off of creating enemies. It fluorishes when it develops and nourishes enemies where none existed before. Those who want to challenge US hegemony and its barbaric projection overseas will have to figure out ways in which every enemy the US creates is brought back to its senses, that is the only way this monster`s addiction to war and destruction can be effectively challenged. The military response from so-called enemies is what the US craves, it knows no other language and no other solution to its woes which are a plenty if such distractions did not exist. Starve the US of the justifications it seeks for war and you will win a much bigger war. If the countries of the NAM rely on non-military/economic alliances instead of seeking military confrontation (which is actually the trap the US sets for potential enemies) it would be a good start, victory can be more readily achieved, for the sake of humanity who are mostly disposable to this elite, regardless of nationality.

Re:masadi#8

[...America, which at the current time is defined not by its people but by its elite, lives off of creating enemies.....]

Only a macaca_mullah like you can say such a ridiculous thing. Did America create Hitler? Did America create Stalin? Did America ask USSR to invade Afghanistan? Did America create Saddam? Did America create Osama? America may have collaborated with Saddam or Osama as per its own national interests. Every country does that. That does not mean that it created them or gave them license to commit mass murder.

For the past 200 years, America has been the last best hope for mankind. It is the place where mankind has reached the pinnacle of personal freedom and economic boom. That is why macaca_mullahs like you and zeemax still live here shamelessly in spite of badmouthing it every day. That is the tolerance of Americans. Any other people would have kicked you out of their country in 2 days. Someone should report the two of you to the Department of Homeland Security as people who have malevolent hatred against America.

If one is to avoid the semantics, it would be fair to say that in the coming days America will emerge as a country that will have a mix of secret and disclosed prison and torture cells with in its territories and around the globe where citizens of other countries would be kidnapped and brought to, tortured, interrogated, and indefinitely incarcerated with impunity. What makes them think that people of world will just stand that and let them get away with this fascist gestapo crap.

Re: # 9 ranjit {``... Did America create Hitler? …”}

Back before the 1932 US elections when FDR swept the vote and changed policy direction by 180 degrees, Adolf Hitler was a considered not only an okay guy in the corridors of power, but was actually looked upon kindly. Some even considered him their best hope against a common enemy. (If you don`t believe me, go to the New York Public Library and check the newspaper archives. I have.) I’ve mentioned it elsewhere on this site earlier but I’ll recount the facts.

An insignificant army ranker after the war, Hitler worked in military intelligence when he joined the German Worker’s Party (DAP) headed by Anton Drexler. Things suddenly moved fast as if a hidden hand was at work. By 1921 Hitler took over the leadership of the party which was by now called by it’s new name, National Socialist German Worker’s party (‘Nazi’ for short) and quickly proceeded to have swelling ranks of armed militia under his personal command. History books tell us that the SA (and later the SS) in short few years were numbering up to 400,000 armed men, usually ex-army, who had been recently unemployed. That is four lakh, or four hundred thousand armed men. The German Army, on the other hand, was restricted to a maximum of a 100,000 by the terms of the peace treaty signed in Louis IV`s former abode under the watchful eye of one former history professor from Princeton University.

What British and American college history text books don`t tell us is who was paying for those 400,000 men in uniform? That is 800,000 leather boots, 400,000 leather belts, leather caps, shirts, trousers, socks, shirts and jackets. I presume they had at least one extra change of uniforms issued. Let`s not even mention the laundry cost and that of all the flags and medals. Then there were the trucks and jeeps to carry them along with the rest of the logistics, including rations to feed them and their housing etc. Within a few months, starting in 1923, a new force seemed to be rising in German politics out of nowhere. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis hit the headlines with their elaborate rallies, banners, radical ideas and swelling masses of organized followers. What made this man a success? Who was paying for all that?

In the 1932 German election Hitler had a round-the-clock chartered airplane that took him places. He delivered as many as 9 speeches a day while his rivals traveled by train the old fashion way and made one or two stops a day delivering their speeches. Air travel in those days was nowhere near as common. Consider as a case in point that in the richest country of the world (USA) by 1930 the sum total of ALL commercial flights was 162,000.

There was money coming from somewhere and lots and lots of it? The 400,000 armed men had to be paid, they were not full-time volunteers. They had to be fed and the fuel bill of the fleets must have been enormous not to mention the Nazi party infra structure that had as many as 9 daily political rallies organized... I can go on, but you get the point. The German state wasn`t paying for any of it before Hitler got into office in 1933. So who was? Let`s just think about that...!

Hitler was a staunch anti-communist and he was a racist. Who in the world, in 1920s, had the money and resources to support an anti-communist bigot??? I leave the answer of this question to your good judgment.

...SR

While those Pakistanis who got their visas to the west and feel safe to talk the big talk about jihad and what-not....other Pakistanis pay the price for this. Even the arab gods of the arab worshippers among the expats are sending their ``muslim brothers`` back.



...arrival of more deportees from different countries - Dawn

Excerpts:

GUJRAT, Sept 18: The drive against human traffickers is becoming a daunting task for the FIA with the arrival of more deportees from different countries. ...

Documents related to operation Harpoon revealed that after interrogating 742 illegal immigrants from Oman the agency identified 633 human smugglers.
Similarly, Spain and Greece deported 482 Pakistanis belonging to this region in July and August. ...

Re: # 11 by SR

I would like to know the answer to your question, if you have credible sources. I can only recollect - factories from the Ruhr (to control labor unrest) and other local sources. I will not be surprised if there were private fundings from the US raised by the Lindbergs and the von Kleinsmids (even today all fundamentalists have such fundings). However, I will be surprised if the US govt. funded Hitler (secret funding should be known by now).

In addition to #11 by SR let me add the fact that the SU faced the brunt of Hitler`s onslaught losing 20 million while the US not only delayed opening a second front against Hitler in France, it ultimately lost less than a fraction and emerged with its economy booming and its infrastructure unscathed, and of course it lost no time in laying the foundation of another war with no end by creating another bogeyman and the Soviets complied with the American demand to set in place a dynamic that recently ended with the US emerging victorious. Such obliging of the US with a continuous war from which it will emerge victorious maybe not in the small battles but at the end is what my post #8 was talking about. So far this analysis has not even touched upon the cultural aspect of how the US creates and nourishes enemies for its public and the world for which it is uniquly placed on the global arena. Peons of the West like tahmed will cry big tears over Pakistani deportations from Oman but will deliberately cloud the reasons behind why thousands of years after humans have made transition from being hunter gatherers are so many people being forced to roam the earth away from their homes just to make ends meet for their families.

Recently I met an Iranian guy who owns a car workshop here in town and he is crying similar corcodile tears saying oh back home when you go to a park the people make a mess they throw food all around and over here, everything is organized, people throw trash in garbage bins and other such bs, so I had to remind him that maybe he is forgetting the fact that these industrialized countries are responsible for making a big mess the earth over, destroying its environment, depleting its forests and minerals, they are the ultimate mess makers while he, like hamidm and tahmed are worried about a chicken bone or a banana peel being thrown in a park. Oh he said, see they killed a Nun in Somalia! What`s going on in Iraq I said, just because the media gives more importance to a Nun compared to the over 100,000 the US has butchered in Afghanistan and Iraq does not mean you take that as proof of something. Finally I asked him, ``Is you name Behram``, because we have just such a bigot on chowk who used just such dimwit arguments. Oh Muslims are selfish he said, all they care about is going to heaven. Really and what about the objects of your worship the US public? Have the marriages end in divorce~ based mostly on selfish reasons~ fathers are missing they refuse to pay child support, the single mothers languish in poverty? He refused to fix my car.

read Have the marriages, as ``almost half the marriages``

Re: # 12
thanks tahmed for that link.
i think i`ve written about that before there are thousands of pakistanis working in southern europe on fruit and dairy farms some even on pig farms. the pay is around $200 a month, they live in barns sharing it with animals, pigs etc. most are from gujrat, jhelum area, the way i know about them is because i met a couple of them who manged to smuggle themselves in to uk.