Revolt in Paradise

Re: # 46 BJKumari why involve me in your little fracas with the Jamaat-e-Chowk-ibn-Al-qaeda cell of Chowk.

Ofcourse the Jaamat-e-chowk members will create some muck and use double treple negatives and positives to confuse the issue - like I see dear old cheap_skate_macaca-Zeemax has done. They donot have an answer. they will quote some idiot who thinks ek_bal was the greatest 20th century muslim!

Re: # 47 Perhaps you should ask the Chinese and the Indains living there this question. Cheap-skate-macaca-zeemax

#49

Dear Dick,

I must agree with you on what you said about the poet Iqbal.

Anybody who takes the poet Iqbal seriously ought to have his or her head examined by the Sohail – probably at highly discounted rates because of the large number of visits required.

Except for the saving grace for Iqbal that he may have been a poet. And NOBODY takes poets seriously.

Nobody in their right mind, that is!

Of course, with my Paapistani brothers and sisters, that is always an open question.

#36 by tahmed32 on September 20, 2006 6:07am PT
according to some historians islamic world was going through enlightenment (age of reason)
date wine was halal in baghdad in spain prayers were said in berber language etc.
the crusades and mongol invasion put a stop to that, what happens when a civilisation is under attack it turns inward, that`s exactly what happened to islamic civilisation.

Re: # 48 by Urstruly:

Urstruly sahib:

``Americas involvement in the WWII shouldn`t be (and cannot be seen ) as an ideological struggle against Germany or Nazism, because it was not.``

This is definitely a point of view, and you have put it across in a post that is .... enjoyable. You know me by now, I cannot see things in black and white. The same stands for your assertion. In any case, my question to SR remains unanswered. Don`t get me wrong, I would not be surprised if the US govt. did indeed support Hitler. I simply want to know.

THE FALSE DEMOCRACY OF ELITES


Bush Is A Devil, Chavez Says, Echoing Some in US
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
September 20, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - The United Nations building still stinks of sulphur, after the ``devil`` -- President George W. Bush -- addressed the General Assembly, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez told the world on Wednesday.

Chavez` speech to the General Assembly -- a personal attack on President Bush -- was greeted with sustained applause from the United Nations` member states.

Chavez, after calling Bush a devil, said he thinks Bush needs a psychiatrist.

The Bush-hatred spewing from Chavez sounded familiar, given the fact that some Americans espouse the same beliefs, as their free-speech rights entitle them to do.

Personal attacks on Bush are daily fare on various liberal blogs and Air America talk radio, where Bush is routinely blasted as stupid, incompetent, power-hungry, crazy, and extremist.

Chavez accused Bush the ``dictator`` of trying to consolidate his grip on world domination. He said Bush wants to impose ``the false democracy of elites`` on the world. And he accused Bush of racism, saying that he paints people of color -- such as the new Bolivian president -- as extremists.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere, Chavez said. ``It`s not that we are extremists,`` he added -- it`s that the world is ``waking up -- and rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.``

Chavez made it clear that he was talking about Bush the ``imperialist,`` not the American people.

As Cybercast News Service has previously reported, Chavez -- who is friendly with some of America`s worst foes (Iran, North Korea and Cuba) -- is lobbying for a seat on the U.N. Security Council.

GT in #45 <<< I were to assume that Ford, IBM and other US businesses with interest in Germany were but a face of the US govt. (as per your power elite theory), then the US govt. did indeed support Hitler. >>>

Actually the model that sees political as a committee of the big corporations, has nothing to do with `power elite` model, it has more to do with the classical Marxist point of view which in the classical Victorian era was quite accurate. Crisis, particularly the great depression and the ensuing New Deal forced them to make adjustments within that hierarchy of institutions, that is the Power Elite Model. The Power Elite model refers more to the world emerging after WW2 though its context can be found in that war. I think we have discussed that model long enough on Chowk for you to view it in past posts rather than a new discussion on the pluralism vs power elite model being necessary. Here is an article in case you missed reading it when I provided the link before. You can disagree with me if you want but there are no other competing models whatsoever that fit in with the facts post WW2.

Re: # 53 GT

I thought you would figure out the answer to your question from my post.

But let me explain my point with a short answer through this timeline:


August 1941 - The Atlantic Charter is signed (details are in my last post)

December 1941 - Pearle Harbor

December 1941 - US declares itself a combatant in WWII (1 wk after Pearle Harbor). But keep in mind that this war was declared on Japan and not on Germany. However, it was Germany that declared war on US.

October 1942 - Roosevelt passes a law called ``Trading with Enemy Act`` that prohibits American businesses from trading with countries hostile to US. And that is exactly one year after war was decalred between US and Germany. Until this act was passed almost every major corporation in US was doing full business with Nazis including the grandfather of President Bush, Prescott Bush who was a wall street banker.

I think most of the record of business in the war period between US and Germany has been made to disappear since it puts US government in an embarassing position. Jews have vested interest in not embarassing US government, hence, this fact has been swept under the rug of obscure history.

#51 by bjkumar

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Have you dropped your demand of introductions from Mr. Macaca? Now you`re appeasing him.

Just wondering ... all these macacas keep harping upon darfur ... and the darfur board is empty. Why?

Re: # 58

Precisely because darfur board is empty... macacas need some pakis to kick around... no pakis, no board....

#58 the cheapdo, mullahashishi, Jamaat-e-chowk-ibn-al-qaeda Amir Shreik Zeemax is going bonkers. Will the members of the Jamaat-e-chowk please return it back to him.

What now?

Re: # 51
it is NOT pappistani - it is Pakistani just like it is not fir but phir. What are you - a hindu!!!!!!

Urstruly:54

The whole world is applauding.

Chavez is another darling of the world. The United Satans--this was my coinage--is being zaleeled right and left everywhere.

InshaAllah we the collapse would come sooner than even anticipated.

Ahmediejad--Zindabaad
Hugo Chavez Zindabaad
Fidel Castro--Zinda-O-Paindabaad.

Lakhh LaanUt on the United-Satan; Aaaakhhhhh Thhhooooooooooo!

Re: # 61
[...it is NOT pappistani -it is Pakistani...]

It`s not even ``Pakistani``, it`s actually ``Bakistani``... that`s the way your bedouin masters pronounce it... so you wannabe-bedouins might as well speak the same way.. and also it fits better... :)

Re: # 9
thousand apologies for saying anything against your country. Dont you think you should fight for Hindus taking a shower daily rather than stand up for America.......