Revolt in Paradise

#91- #95

Now, now, no need for strong language, please!

You see Dick, Zee was confusing you with a certain banned interactor.

When one is too focused on another, one sees the other everywhere – even where they don’t exist! Not the first time it has happened around here, of course. Hence, Zee’s apparent hostile welcome to you! But I think he is reassured now.

Everybody other than Dick, do not read the following line.

Psst...he is a softie inside!

Okay, back to everybody now.

Let’s not have any revolts in THIS paradise.

That would be revolting, no?!!!

I think the Gillster just does not like the GWB. He keeps on beating him up over trivialities. So, where do the Aussies fit in?!!

Re: # 73 SR

I used the phrase `obscure history`` for want of a better description of the phenomenon that is called US dealing with Nazis. This history is pretty much alive and well, and I even have seen at least one documentry on PBS on this issue. What I in fact wanted to say was that even though this history is alive and well, and well known in the circles but it is not a political issue at this time, nor it is on anyone`s political agenda. Based on this fact, my point, was that, that US, which itself was an aparthied country for all intent and purpose until very well into `60s could not have a problem dealing with Nazis on ideological or moral basis. The fact that it was Germany that declared war on US and not the other way around, and even then it took US government one year to pass an Act prohibiting business with Nazis have a whole plathora of meanings. And despite this ban some business kept on dealing with Nazis and were fined minimally as the website at the bottom suggests. The original role of concentration camps as death camps was not discovered until at the very end of the war when Soviet forces liberated some of these camps. The phenomenon of holocaust as a moral justification for the existence of Israel, did not emerge on American political landscape until well after the occupation of Isreal took place in 1948.

Even on internet there are over 8 million websites that shed light on the US business dealings with Nazis, in one way or the other. But my point was that even though Jewish organizations have successfully sued a multitude of European businesses, yet they have never sued an American corporation. Why? Even when this level of detail is available in public domain:

http://www.ranknfile-ue.org/uen_nastybiz.html

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#99 but echoboom - chavez is all talk no action.

barring a few things here and there - he has not done one thing which really and seriously troubles Corporate America.

You are the one who needs some serious education.

Re: # 75 GT {``...If you are right, then it would really be interesting. Hope someone does some research on this. But till then, allow me to remain skeptical...``}

A very valid and reasonable stance. I share the same hope (that someone will do more research and put forth facts in easy reach) with you.

Cheers,

...SR

Re: # 77 HP {``...This reply unfortunately tells me that you really don’t know what are you talking abt...``}

You are quite right, I never seem to know what I am talking about... But since you seem to have all the answers, why not just call it off and we`ll declare you the winner... You the man... HP... hurray... you won a point...!! I`ll anxiously await your pearls of knowledge and wisdom.

Cheer up...

...SR

These events in recent days are very signigficant:

1) Hugo Chavez and Ahmedinejad`s clear alliance and country rounds.
2) The non-aligned summit in Havana with 121 countries in attendance.
3) The open defiance of US, condemnation of security council, and open abuse by Chavez of Bush on General Assembly floor accompanied with clapping at each insult.

These are not minor events to be dismissed off-hand. Even Bolton looks worried.

I think a ball has begun to roll. The focus has now shifted from an East-West issue to one of North-South ... just as it must be.

God Speed!

Re: # 103 zee

Oh please.... don`t be so desperate.... these two fools - one persian macaca, other a latin fata$$ - are going to take on the mighty USA... yeah right... these guys just love to sound off...

#103 zeemax - I would agree with you .
However, i wonder if these very people provide their peoples with the rights they used in the UN?

I dont think so. I just returned from caracas - and life is very dangerous for any one out of the oridinary there.

In the middle east

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the situation is the same- and worse if you are a brown minority.

As i said, this is all rethoric and no action.

So please stop having an orgasm

Re: # 105

Islamic l0sers like zeemax are desperate... they will hang on to any sugar-dady with a big mouth and a fata## like that Chavez joker... Yeah, he will deliver them from the Great Satan... :))

Bush won in 2000 by the narrowest margins. In 2004 he was relected winning 52% of vote.

Even if Democrats sweep the elections in Novemeber Republicans will still have 200-210 seats in the House and 47-49 Senators.

THe world hates the United Satan. Only the mutts & mongerels from the Cantonement & colony kennels drool for him.

The are the followers of the Ghulam-i-Farangi who told his pack of Canines never ever to badmouth the angrez top dog. He exhorted them to serve them will all the loyalty a dog could muster.

And it is being proven here time & time aagin...Q32 dares not do it; whereas even million upon millions of Americans Zaleel the United Satan everyday.

THere GOT to be a reason!

Hmmmmmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmm.

A clear outing of a Q....``Think massa-thoughts , work like an ass, live like a dog.


This needs an encore..in case the dog-devils missed it.

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Reflecting the thinking and spirit of Noam Chomsky, Hugo Chavez delivered an impassioned speech yesterday to the assembled delegates who came to hear him.  It`s one likely to be favorably remembered many years from now.At its end, the delegates showed their appreciation and support by giving him a standing ovation (the longest one of all the leaders addressing the Assembly) in contrast to the cool and polite reception given George Bush the previous day who chose not to attend to hear the Venezuelan leader. 

Re: # 98 Urstruly ... the matter regarding Jews

I have no dispute with anything you wrote in the above referenced post. In my post to GT I made light reference to your earlier post wherein you had mentioned The Jews. It was not meant as a rebuke, but as a lament. Whereas I condemn the state policies of Israel and the unthoughtful American support of Israeli heavy handedness, I do not condemn Jews any more than I would condemn the Muslims, Christians, Hindus or Druids. I see many Muslims and their sympathizers commit the same error that we accuse ``Bubbas Americanus`` of making. Namely, to condemn all Muslims for the criminal doings of a few.

Until 1890s, when the European Zionists started migrating to, and establishing settlement colonies in Palestine, there was never a real issue of Jews being enemies with Arabs. Hell, there were many Arabs who were Jews themselves. Arab Christians, Arab Muslims and Arab Jews lived in Arab land (Palestine) side by side since the advent of Islam in seventh century. Okay, granted, there were a few unfortunate incidents, (the major one being in Medina after Uhad -- which many an eager Chowkie will be quick to flaunt), but for a long time through the centuries the Jews and Muslims (and Christians for that matter) managed to live as neighbors without much strife. They were all Arabs. That is to say, they spoke the Arabic language as their mothertongue (which is what being an Arab means). So this really was not a dispute of religions but an European settler vs Arab issue, that has conveniently (and tragically) taken on a Muslim vs Jew garb. That`s all I was trying to bring to your attention.

...SR

seems like drops have started to FALL....soon it will be heavy....


...even the MUSHY..... has spilled the beans ......( an open secret ) on how...
Armatige or whatever.... threatened to Flat out Pakistan .... and send it to STONE AGE...
after 9/11 if pakistan did not co-operated.


....by the Way ... I Like the idea of Chevez... in which he proposed to send a CASE to the international court of Justice against BUSH...... for WAR Crimes.....

Re: # 77 by HP,

HP:

You seem to be busy with work. In any case, you write:

``There is no such thing as circumstantial evidence in politics.``

Are you `kiddin` me? Politics is all about convincing others through circumstantial evidence. Yes, ... yes, that is what you are saying, polemics matters. But then you ought to give SR some slack .... otherwise I hear masadi.

Regards.

Zeemax in #87 <<< So does it follow that the Pope was using the interpretation of an isolated scholar who rejected `reason` to convey that God in `Islam` is unreasonable? If he was, then certainly the Pope is either incompetent or a Bush/Blair co-conspirator. >>>

He is just a run of the mill Catholic and using his stereotype of Islam~ and they all share in this except for the genuine scholars~ in whose ranks he does not belong, and as such he defaults to Ad Hominem attacks against the prophet, as if that is proof of anything. They believe in the most illogical of concepts, of one being three and three being one, i.e. the trinity of an eternal being born (as son) and an immortal dying so that an innocent washes away the sins of the guilty~ talk about a super perverted concept of justice, yet they have the audacity to poke fingers at Islam saying it is contrary to reason when every other statement of the Quran refers to some argument or the other to establish its assertions. Little different than the higher barbarians pointing to the killing of a Nun in Somalia and generalizing that to the entire community of Muslims when they butcher as state and economic policy hundreds of thousands every week