Mullahs: Dulha Bhais of the World
Ibrahim Malick September 17, 2006
#44 Posted by sheikhsa on October 2, 2006 2:31:55 pm
The pope is not a mere University Lecturer or more than a journalist, his comments over the holy war does show that how little knowledge he has about Islam. I have comments on some of his questions at: http://popeallegation.blogspot.com
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#43 Posted by teshah on October 1, 2006 6:14:07 pm
Re: # 41
Ballukhan
It is all so horrible. It shows that all religions, especially the Judaistic ones, are anti-moral and anti-human. As regards the `reason`, they try to undermine it with the holy terror. The only saving clause I found out from your revealing write-up is this:
``We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11``
If that be the case what for all this rage and fury and how all these imposing religious outfits are thriving by spreading these anti-human lies? Why the human beings are destined to live in terror both of God and his so called believers? I think the only humane religion is Buddhism though I do not know much about it either as was the case I have come to know now about Chrstianity after reading your post, dear ballukhan. That is the problem. We don`t know even what we don`t know untill it is made known to us.
Ballukhan
It is all so horrible. It shows that all religions, especially the Judaistic ones, are anti-moral and anti-human. As regards the `reason`, they try to undermine it with the holy terror. The only saving clause I found out from your revealing write-up is this:
``We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11``
If that be the case what for all this rage and fury and how all these imposing religious outfits are thriving by spreading these anti-human lies? Why the human beings are destined to live in terror both of God and his so called believers? I think the only humane religion is Buddhism though I do not know much about it either as was the case I have come to know now about Chrstianity after reading your post, dear ballukhan. That is the problem. We don`t know even what we don`t know untill it is made known to us.
#42 Posted by ballukhan on September 25, 2006 1:33:08 am
Re: # 38
The God of Old Testament is wrathful and revengeful. In New Testament things do not look very rosy either:
Cruelty and Violence in the New Testament
Almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.--Heb.9:22
One of the things that is overlooked by many Christians is that there is a wrathful Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus comes out and condemns whole towns to fates worse than Sodom and Gomorrah for not liking his preaching. You can find Jesus in some very foul moods. -- Sam Harris, Beliefnet inverview
Matthew
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned ``with unquenchable fire.`` 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn`t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear ``good fruit`` will be ``hewn down, and cast into the fire.`` 7:19
``The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: ``Let the dead bury the dead.`` 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither ``receive`` the disciples nor ``hear`` their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few ``prophecies`` in the Bible that has actually come true). ``Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.`` 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and ``able to destroy both soul and body in hell.`` 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has ``come not to send peace, but a sword.`` 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn`t care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus will send his angels to gather up ``all that offend`` and they ``shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.`` 13:41-42, 50
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: ``He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.`` (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it`s better to be ``maimed`` than to suffer ``everlasting fire.`` 18:8-9
``And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.`` 18:34
In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn`t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and ``cast him into the outer darkness`` where ``there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 22:12-13
Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It`ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
God will come when people least expect him and then he`ll ``cut them asunder.`` And ``there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 24:50-51
The servant who kept and returned his master`s talent was cast into the ``outer darkness`` where there will be ``weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 25:30
Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an ``everlasting fire.`` 25:41
Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
Mark
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
Any city that doesn`t ``receive`` the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don`t will be damned. 16:16
Luke
God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel`s words. 1:20
Those who fail to bear ``good fruit`` will be ``hewn down, and cast into the fire.`` 3:9
John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned ``with fire unquenchable.`` 3:17
Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants ``thrust down to hell`` for not ``receiving`` his disciples. 10:10-15
Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves ``with many stripes.`` 12:46-47
According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where ``there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 13:23-30
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31
Jesus believed the story of Noah`s ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27
Jesus also believes the story about Noah`s flood and Sodom`s destruction. He says, ``even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot`s wife.`` This tells us about Jesus` knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn`t sow. The parable ends with the words of Jesus: ``bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me.`` 19:22-27
John
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
The ``wrath of God`` is on all unbelievers. 3:36
Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to ``sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.`` 5:14
Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for ``many of his disciples`` and ``walked no more with him.`` 6:53-66
Acts
Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
Peter has a dream in which God show him ``wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls.`` The voice (God`s?) says, ``Rise, Peter: kill and eat.`` 10:10-13
Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God`s, Satan`s?) tells him to ``Arise, Peter; slay and eat.`` 11:5-6
The ``angel of the Lord`` killed Herod by having him ``eaten of worms`` because ``he gave not God the glory.`` 12:23
David was ``a man after [God`s] own heart.`` 13:22
The author of Acts talks about the ``sure mercies of David.`` But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam.12:31 and 1 Chr.20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans
Homosexuals (those ``without natural affection``) and their supporters (those ``that have pleasure in them``) are ``worthy of death.`` 1:31-32
The guilty are ``justified`` and ``saved from wrath`` by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
God punishes everyone for someone else`s sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
1 Corinthians
If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17
Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for ``committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you`ll will die from snake bites. 10:9
If you murmur, you`ll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
Ephesians
We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn`t do. 1:7
The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Colossians
God bought us with someone else`s blood. 1:14
God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians
God is planning a messy, mass murder in ``the wrath to come`` and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
2 Thessalonians
Jesus will take ``vengeance on them that know not God`` by burning them forever ``in flaming fire.`` 1:7-9
Jesus will ``consume`` the wicked ``with the spirit of his mouth.`` 2:8
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
Hebrews
God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature. 9:13-14, 22
Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
God ordered animals to be ``stoned, or thrust through with a dart`` if they ``so much as ... touch the mountain.`` 12:20
James
If you are merciless to others, God will be merciless to you. (Two wrongs make a right.) 2:13
James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Rom.4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
1 Peter
We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by ``the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.``1:2
``The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world.``
God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
God drowned drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
2 Peter
God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
When Jesus returns, he`ll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
1 John
Jesus` blood washes away human sin. 1:7
Jude
``The Lord destroyed them that believed not. 5
Revelation
Jesus ``washed us ... with his own blood.`` 1:5
Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
Jesus has ``the keys of hell and death.`` 1:18
Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python`s ``Holy Grail.``) 2:16
``I [Jesus] will kill her children with death.`` 2:23
``Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.`` God created predators, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
God gave power to someone on a red horse ``to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another.`` 6:4
God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth`s population with the sword, starvation, and ``with the beasts of the earth.`` 6:8
The martyrs just can`t wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he`s done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
God tells his murderous angels to ``hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads.`` This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God`s loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to ``hurt the earth and the sea`` just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3
Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13
``Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.`` 8:11
The angels are instructed not to ``hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads.`` God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won`t let them. 9:4-6
God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women`s hair, lion`s teeth, and scorpion`s tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10
Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth`s population. 9:15-19
Anyone that messes with God`s two olive trees and two candlesticks (God`s witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5
God`s witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues ``as often as they will.`` 11:6
After God`s witnesses ``have finished their testimony,`` they are killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7
Their dead bodies lie unburied for three and a half days. People will ``rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another.`` After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12
When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. ``The third woe cometh quickly.`` 11:13-14
``The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world``
God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8
Those who receive the mark of the beast will ``drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.`` 14:10-11
``The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles.`` 14:19-20
Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 15:7
The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1-21
God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6
``They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire.`` (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and ``she will be utterly burned with fire.`` 18:8
God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings ``who have committed fornication with her`` will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
Jesus makes war. 19:11
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful into holy war. 19:12-15
``Come ... unto the supper of the great God.`` An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, ``both free and bond, both small and great.`` 19:17-18
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. ``And all the fowls were filled with their flesh.`` 19:20-21
God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented ``day and night for ever and ever.`` 20:9-10
Whoever isn`t found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into ``the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.`` 21:8
The God of Old Testament is wrathful and revengeful. In New Testament things do not look very rosy either:
Cruelty and Violence in the New Testament
Almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.--Heb.9:22
One of the things that is overlooked by many Christians is that there is a wrathful Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus comes out and condemns whole towns to fates worse than Sodom and Gomorrah for not liking his preaching. You can find Jesus in some very foul moods. -- Sam Harris, Beliefnet inverview
Matthew
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned ``with unquenchable fire.`` 3:10, 12
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn`t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
Those who fail to bear ``good fruit`` will be ``hewn down, and cast into the fire.`` 7:19
``The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 8:12
Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: ``Let the dead bury the dead.`` 8:21
Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
Cities that neither ``receive`` the disciples nor ``hear`` their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few ``prophecies`` in the Bible that has actually come true). ``Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.`` 10:21
Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and ``able to destroy both soul and body in hell.`` 10:28
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has ``come not to send peace, but a sword.`` 10:34-36
Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn`t care for his preaching. 11:20-24
Jesus will send his angels to gather up ``all that offend`` and they ``shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.`` 13:41-42, 50
Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: ``He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.`` (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it`s better to be ``maimed`` than to suffer ``everlasting fire.`` 18:8-9
``And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors.`` 18:34
In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn`t have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and ``cast him into the outer darkness`` where ``there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 22:12-13
Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It`ll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
God will come when people least expect him and then he`ll ``cut them asunder.`` And ``there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 24:50-51
The servant who kept and returned his master`s talent was cast into the ``outer darkness`` where there will be ``weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 25:30
Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an ``everlasting fire.`` 25:41
Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
Mark
Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
Any city that doesn`t ``receive`` the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10
Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don`t will be damned. 16:16
Luke
God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel`s words. 1:20
Those who fail to bear ``good fruit`` will be ``hewn down, and cast into the fire.`` 3:9
John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned ``with fire unquenchable.`` 3:17
Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants ``thrust down to hell`` for not ``receiving`` his disciples. 10:10-15
Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves ``with many stripes.`` 12:46-47
According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where ``there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.`` 13:23-30
In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31
Jesus believed the story of Noah`s ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27
Jesus also believes the story about Noah`s flood and Sodom`s destruction. He says, ``even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot`s wife.`` This tells us about Jesus` knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn`t sow. The parable ends with the words of Jesus: ``bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me.`` 19:22-27
John
As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
The ``wrath of God`` is on all unbelievers. 3:36
Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to ``sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.`` 5:14
Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for ``many of his disciples`` and ``walked no more with him.`` 6:53-66
Acts
Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
Peter has a dream in which God show him ``wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls.`` The voice (God`s?) says, ``Rise, Peter: kill and eat.`` 10:10-13
Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God`s, Satan`s?) tells him to ``Arise, Peter; slay and eat.`` 11:5-6
The ``angel of the Lord`` killed Herod by having him ``eaten of worms`` because ``he gave not God the glory.`` 12:23
David was ``a man after [God`s] own heart.`` 13:22
The author of Acts talks about the ``sure mercies of David.`` But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam.12:31 and 1 Chr.20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
Romans
Homosexuals (those ``without natural affection``) and their supporters (those ``that have pleasure in them``) are ``worthy of death.`` 1:31-32
The guilty are ``justified`` and ``saved from wrath`` by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
God punishes everyone for someone else`s sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
1 Corinthians
If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17
Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for ``committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you`ll will die from snake bites. 10:9
If you murmur, you`ll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
Ephesians
We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn`t do. 1:7
The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Colossians
God bought us with someone else`s blood. 1:14
God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
1 Thessalonians
God is planning a messy, mass murder in ``the wrath to come`` and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
2 Thessalonians
Jesus will take ``vengeance on them that know not God`` by burning them forever ``in flaming fire.`` 1:7-9
Jesus will ``consume`` the wicked ``with the spirit of his mouth.`` 2:8
God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
Hebrews
God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature. 9:13-14, 22
Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
God ordered animals to be ``stoned, or thrust through with a dart`` if they ``so much as ... touch the mountain.`` 12:20
James
If you are merciless to others, God will be merciless to you. (Two wrongs make a right.) 2:13
James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Rom.4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
1 Peter
We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by ``the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.``1:2
``The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world.``
God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
God drowned drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
2 Peter
God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
When Jesus returns, he`ll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
1 John
Jesus` blood washes away human sin. 1:7
Jude
``The Lord destroyed them that believed not. 5
Revelation
Jesus ``washed us ... with his own blood.`` 1:5
Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
Jesus has ``the keys of hell and death.`` 1:18
Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python`s ``Holy Grail.``) 2:16
``I [Jesus] will kill her children with death.`` 2:23
``Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.`` God created predators, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
God gave power to someone on a red horse ``to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another.`` 6:4
God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth`s population with the sword, starvation, and ``with the beasts of the earth.`` 6:8
The martyrs just can`t wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he`s done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
God tells his murderous angels to ``hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads.`` This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God`s loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to ``hurt the earth and the sea`` just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3
Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13
``Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.`` 8:11
The angels are instructed not to ``hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads.`` God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won`t let them. 9:4-6
God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women`s hair, lion`s teeth, and scorpion`s tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10
Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth`s population. 9:15-19
Anyone that messes with God`s two olive trees and two candlesticks (God`s witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5
God`s witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues ``as often as they will.`` 11:6
After God`s witnesses ``have finished their testimony,`` they are killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7
Their dead bodies lie unburied for three and a half days. People will ``rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another.`` After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12
When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. ``The third woe cometh quickly.`` 11:13-14
``The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world``
God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8
Those who receive the mark of the beast will ``drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.`` 14:10-11
``The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles.`` 14:19-20
Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 15:7
The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1-21
God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6
``They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire.`` (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and ``she will be utterly burned with fire.`` 18:8
God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings ``who have committed fornication with her`` will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
Jesus makes war. 19:11
With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful into holy war. 19:12-15
``Come ... unto the supper of the great God.`` An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, ``both free and bond, both small and great.`` 19:17-18
The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. ``And all the fowls were filled with their flesh.`` 19:20-21
God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented ``day and night for ever and ever.`` 20:9-10
Whoever isn`t found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into ``the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.`` 21:8
#41 Posted by bjkumar on September 23, 2006 6:18:00 am
#40 Bad Shah
The Zia only completed the inevitable that the Vamp started!
Dear Bad, your whole country was created on the basis of religion. That is why you have practically NO minorities. It was the First successful act of Islamic terrorism in the subcontinent!
Whether the Mullahs were on the wagon is immaterial. They never had much clout anyway.
#40 Posted by badshah on September 22, 2006 11:07:30 pm
Pakistan was Not made in the Name of Islam.Infact most of the Ulemas and Muslim Clergy were against it.MA Jinnah amny times denounced radicalism and he emphatic to say that Pakistan Will Not be a theoracritic country.Alas! Zia changed everything and Mullas were made powerful,though they never gained anything substantial in Elections.Think how we cn get Quid`s Pakistan other ineveitable result will be what is obvious.We still have time.
#39 Posted by lann33 on September 22, 2006 4:32:44 am
Re: # 34 You are not fair when you say it was all truth.The very fact that pope has appologized it means there is room for adjustment and what you say its not the total truth? If you understand polightness then you must understand,it is rude to talk about all like the way you have said about Muslims
#38 Posted by teshah on September 21, 2006 7:09:52 pm
I am sorry I repeated my post at 30 thrice. This was caused due to the delay in the appearance of the post on the interactindex.
ballukhan
``Pope said ``violence being contrary to God`s nature``.
The Pope`s above quoted remarks were perhaps with reference to the New Testament wherein Christ is all compassion. Islam had also preached patience and `Sillah-rehmi` during its Makki period but had to resort to Jihad to defend itself in Madina. It was much later on that Islam turned into `Malukiat` which had the violence its hallmark that did not spare even the progeny of the prophet. Today even the Budhists have become violent, what to speak of Christians and the Muslims. The hero of the Paky Muslims today is AQ Khan who is considered to have made the atom bomb to kill human beings indiscriminately.
ballukhan
``Pope said ``violence being contrary to God`s nature``.
The Pope`s above quoted remarks were perhaps with reference to the New Testament wherein Christ is all compassion. Islam had also preached patience and `Sillah-rehmi` during its Makki period but had to resort to Jihad to defend itself in Madina. It was much later on that Islam turned into `Malukiat` which had the violence its hallmark that did not spare even the progeny of the prophet. Today even the Budhists have become violent, what to speak of Christians and the Muslims. The hero of the Paky Muslims today is AQ Khan who is considered to have made the atom bomb to kill human beings indiscriminately.
#37 Posted by teshah on September 21, 2006 7:09:49 pm
I am sorry I repeated my post at 30 thrice. This was caused due to the delay in the appearance of the post on the interactindex.
ballukhan
``Pope said ``violence being contrary to God`s nature``.
The Pope`s above quoted remarks were perhaps with reference to the New Testament wherein Christ is all compassion. Islam had also preached patience and `Sillah-rehmi` during its Makki period but had to resort to Jihad to defend itself in Madina. It was much later on that Islam turned into `Malukiat` which had the violence its hallmark that did not spare even the progeny of the prophet. Today even the Budhists have become violent, what to speak of Christians and the Muslims. The hero of the Paky Muslims today is AQ Khan who is considered to have made the atom bomb to kill human beings indiscriminately.
ballukhan
``Pope said ``violence being contrary to God`s nature``.
The Pope`s above quoted remarks were perhaps with reference to the New Testament wherein Christ is all compassion. Islam had also preached patience and `Sillah-rehmi` during its Makki period but had to resort to Jihad to defend itself in Madina. It was much later on that Islam turned into `Malukiat` which had the violence its hallmark that did not spare even the progeny of the prophet. Today even the Budhists have become violent, what to speak of Christians and the Muslims. The hero of the Paky Muslims today is AQ Khan who is considered to have made the atom bomb to kill human beings indiscriminately.
#36 Posted by ballukhan on September 21, 2006 1:12:37 am
Pope said ``violence being contrary to God`s nature`` . That was the most stupid comment to be made by some one who is supposed to have know the God`s ways closely. It certainly shows that has never read the Bible and is playing the communal politics of religious upmanship.
#35 Posted by teshah on September 20, 2006 4:36:54 pm
Re: # 28
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict,basically an intellectual, got raised to the august position of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath he is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict,basically an intellectual, got raised to the august position of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath he is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
#34 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on September 20, 2006 11:35:05 am
harimau #28 {``The fact of the matter is that the Pope told the truth, the absolute truth, the complete truth and nothing but the truth.
You Muslims cannot handle the truth.``}
Harry,
Of course we can handle the truth - we invented the bloody thing. :)
Also, if the Pope is being so truthful, why has he modified his mea vulva umpteen times?
You Muslims cannot handle the truth.``}
Harry,
Of course we can handle the truth - we invented the bloody thing. :)
Also, if the Pope is being so truthful, why has he modified his mea vulva umpteen times?
#33 Posted by lann33 on September 19, 2006 10:22:27 pm
I would like to draw the attention of Pakistanis that it’s not all Muslim Umah; it’s only us who get disturbed no matters even if we don’t understand the problem. We want to undo a wrong in Norway by destroying properties in Pakistan when we have no diplomatic support by our own Government. The irony is that we all want to undo the things which is not our job. This holds good for all in my country. For example, A Mullah is least concerned to convey correct message of Islam to his students (which is his job), why they produce frustrated lot who hate many things in society in the name of un-Islamic (when they have least regard for Haqooqulabad) But he is in the forefronts to protest no matter if it has no sense (to tell how government is run which is not his job).A Mullah wants to be politician and tell lies forgetting that truthfulness is the key to our religion. I know a front line religious convert politician was expelled for three years in matric exam for cheating but he wants to cash on Musharraf not fulfilling his promise/telling lies. Mullah talks of Musawat e Muhammadi where as he issues tickets to his family members to contest election, father, son, daughter, daughter in law etc they all are in parliment. They all enjoy facilities of MNAs/MPAs and talk of poor man`s right and equality.
The whole Umah does not talk but we want to raise our voice regardless if can serve the purpose or otherwise. I was in India when Babri Masjid was downed by radicals. We had a senior most Ambassador by his stay in India (11years), I asked him to make some statement of dislike for the disgrace caused to the Masjid. He said it was not his concern it was the problem of Indian people and not of his country, mind you we look upto that country with religious fervor. The point is that Muslim umah is not playing up at all and we should not be proud Muslims by destroying our own country.
Just a food for thought: we all abuse USA for being unfair but no one wants to leave USA even when one is doing low profile job. We can’t be real Muslims unless we say good bye to hypocracy. Our Mullah is hypo crate (I don’t consider there are any religious scholars except 2 or 4 in Pakistan who are not politicians) rest all are hypo crates and Allah does not keep hypocrites as His friends
By all means I condemn the act of Pope
God bless us the eye of wisdom of Islam which is ultimat no doubt. Try to speak truth wher ever you are rest all be looked after Allah:nothing wrong can be done by you because you have to speak truth?????????
#32 Posted by jang on September 19, 2006 7:33:44 pm
very nicely written. imo the pope is relly trying to rally his decreasing flock in europe and is more inwardly lookinng. he seems kinda nerdy and lacks JP2s style.
#31 Posted by teshah on September 19, 2006 6:40:54 pm
Re: # 28
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict, got raised to the august post of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath he is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict, got raised to the august post of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath he is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
#30 Posted by teshah on September 19, 2006 6:38:54 pm
Re: # 28
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict, got raised to the august post of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath he is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict, got raised to the august post of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath he is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
#29 Posted by teshah on September 19, 2006 6:37:35 pm
Re: # 28
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict, got raised to the august post of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
Harimau
But it is sad he could not stand up to it. He also proved to be a Mullah, as he actually is, though a Cristian one. What can we expect from a mullah of any faith? For them it is a question of their `rozi, roti`.
Pope Benedict, got raised to the august post of pope, could not help saying some `truths` about the mullah-brand Islam (`Deen-e-Fassaad` according to Allama Iqbal) but seeing mullah wrath is now licking the dust by apologising for uttering those truths which, interestingly, are being repeated by all and sundry, thanks to muslim mullah. He should have known that his apologising would be of no avail now as blasphemy law does not allow any remission whatsoever.
#28 Posted by harimau on September 19, 2006 4:35:09 pm
The fact of the matter is that the Pope told the truth, the absolute truth, the complete truth and nothing but the truth.
You Muslims cannot handle the truth.
You Muslims cannot handle the truth.
#27 Posted by bjkumar on September 19, 2006 8:33:45 am
#20 by imalick
[… I have participated in many rallies for freedom of expression, both in New York and Karachi. I will be happy to join anti-blasphemy rally or organize one if there is enough interest from folks in New York.]
Good for you, my dear! Then you are one of the good guys. Sorry if any of my words rubbed you the wrong way!
It is nice to “meet” you. Stay the course!
Bhala buraa, kaha sunaa muaaf karma, mere bhai! (And don`t worry, you are not ``alone``.)
Side note to Manto:
Dear Manto, perhaps the Honorable Congressman Edolphus Towns of New York may be interested in organizing a rally of the type Mr. Malick mentions – which would really help push the cause of a “liberal, progressive” Pakistan – in real terms.
What do you mean he is not interested? I thought he “cares” for the subcontinent and especially cares for the lot of Pakistanis – campaign donations or otherwise!
What do you mean YOU are not interested?!
#26 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on September 19, 2006 7:40:25 am
Malick #16 {``Even if your assertion is correct that the Pope ``wanted to hop on the Dubya war wagon and drum up support for a modern Crusade,`` it is impossible to defend the violent reaction of some Muslims around the world. These type of controversies such as Pope`s comment and perviously the cartoons are designed to provoke a violent response from the Muslim world and each time Muslims walk right into the trap. ``}
Malick Sahib,
I couldn`t agree any more with you. Here is what I said on Patrick Masih`s forum about the topic:
Patrick,
Having voiced my opinion regarding the stupidity exhibited by Ratzinger Benedict Wolfgang the Turd or the Umpteenth, I must now turn my disgust at the howling, screaming, uncontrolled, and hysterical mullahs. Just as the thousands of right-wing fundo whacko Sunni Wahabbi fanatic terrorists do not represent the overwhelming majority of Muslims, these obviously ignorant and self-defeating inverted beavers don`t speak for the millions of Muslims who expressed their disappointment with silent processions, witty placards, and rational arguments. Unfortunately, the TV cameras focused on this bizarre and counter-productive circus of Muslim wrath. Seeing these ugly images of violence, arson, uncontrolled passion, and irrational behavior, made me think that an embarrassed Holy Prophet (PBUH) would have probably agreed with the stupid Pope - many Muslims are indeed irrational when it comes to their ``faith.``
Salim
Malick Sahib,
I couldn`t agree any more with you. Here is what I said on Patrick Masih`s forum about the topic:
Patrick,
Having voiced my opinion regarding the stupidity exhibited by Ratzinger Benedict Wolfgang the Turd or the Umpteenth, I must now turn my disgust at the howling, screaming, uncontrolled, and hysterical mullahs. Just as the thousands of right-wing fundo whacko Sunni Wahabbi fanatic terrorists do not represent the overwhelming majority of Muslims, these obviously ignorant and self-defeating inverted beavers don`t speak for the millions of Muslims who expressed their disappointment with silent processions, witty placards, and rational arguments. Unfortunately, the TV cameras focused on this bizarre and counter-productive circus of Muslim wrath. Seeing these ugly images of violence, arson, uncontrolled passion, and irrational behavior, made me think that an embarrassed Holy Prophet (PBUH) would have probably agreed with the stupid Pope - many Muslims are indeed irrational when it comes to their ``faith.``
Salim
#25 Posted by rf786 on September 19, 2006 7:22:19 am
Re: # 24
“When music and courtesy are better understood and appreciated, there will be no war”
Confucius
Music is haram for many Islamic scholars....you are a thorough gentleman, many thanks
“When music and courtesy are better understood and appreciated, there will be no war”
Confucius
Music is haram for many Islamic scholars....you are a thorough gentleman, many thanks
#24 Posted by imalick on September 19, 2006 7:01:53 am
Re: # 19
“When music and courtesy are better understood and appreciated, there will be no war”
Confucius
“When music and courtesy are better understood and appreciated, there will be no war”
Confucius
#23 Posted by imalick on September 19, 2006 6:51:27 am
Re: # 22
Khan Sahab,
You are absolutely right! We should demand Pakistani media to provide platform to the secular voices. Believe me there are many, just without a platform.
Geo TV did a series of shows recently discussing Rape Laws in Pakistan and it motivated Musharaf government to at least introduce a bill to protect women from a discriminatory rape law. But under pressure from Mullahs, Pakistani government has shelved its effort.
It was a great example of a Pakistani media showing some strength. I hope we can count many more efforts in coming days.
Cheers,
Ibrahim Malick
Khan Sahab,
You are absolutely right! We should demand Pakistani media to provide platform to the secular voices. Believe me there are many, just without a platform.
Geo TV did a series of shows recently discussing Rape Laws in Pakistan and it motivated Musharaf government to at least introduce a bill to protect women from a discriminatory rape law. But under pressure from Mullahs, Pakistani government has shelved its effort.
It was a great example of a Pakistani media showing some strength. I hope we can count many more efforts in coming days.
Cheers,
Ibrahim Malick
#22 Posted by ballukhan on September 19, 2006 4:41:23 am
Re: # 21
It is great to see the civil population striking against the mullahs and pandits in India. We have had a lots of public expose of these pandits and mullahs as well as bengali sufi tantrik babas on the TV. I would consider Pakistani moderates to have shown some guts when they are able to show such exposes on their TV networks of these mullahs in their true perverse forms. These ba$t@rd mullahs deserve full expose by the secular press, the TV and press needs to run stories on how these mullahs have made money in the name of Jehad and how they are into every possible corrupt practices, only then can we reach a stage when the gloss that these mullahs put on their activities gets rubbed off and they get exposed in their full perversity before the civil society- once the civil society understands the perversity of these charlatans Paksitan would produce enough of its own dynamics for the liberal democratic process to get initiated again.
I can see a great role of the press and TV in initiating this change!!!
It is great to see the civil population striking against the mullahs and pandits in India. We have had a lots of public expose of these pandits and mullahs as well as bengali sufi tantrik babas on the TV. I would consider Pakistani moderates to have shown some guts when they are able to show such exposes on their TV networks of these mullahs in their true perverse forms. These ba$t@rd mullahs deserve full expose by the secular press, the TV and press needs to run stories on how these mullahs have made money in the name of Jehad and how they are into every possible corrupt practices, only then can we reach a stage when the gloss that these mullahs put on their activities gets rubbed off and they get exposed in their full perversity before the civil society- once the civil society understands the perversity of these charlatans Paksitan would produce enough of its own dynamics for the liberal democratic process to get initiated again.
I can see a great role of the press and TV in initiating this change!!!
#21 Posted by imalick on September 19, 2006 4:26:26 am
Re: # 18
Khan Sahab,
There used to plenty of expose of Mullahs prior to Zia ul Haq`s martial law (1977-1988) in Pakistan. Even recently, Newsline (a monthly magazine from Pakistan) did an excellent story on maddarsahs and the role of Mullahs in economic exploitation of poor people. A good friend Amar Mahboob has written a great fiction on molestation of kids by Mullahs. You may want to google him.
I agree that these over-weight Mullhas should be put to task and made to do some physical labor (it will be good for them and society).
Regards,
Ibrahim Malick
Khan Sahab,
There used to plenty of expose of Mullahs prior to Zia ul Haq`s martial law (1977-1988) in Pakistan. Even recently, Newsline (a monthly magazine from Pakistan) did an excellent story on maddarsahs and the role of Mullahs in economic exploitation of poor people. A good friend Amar Mahboob has written a great fiction on molestation of kids by Mullahs. You may want to google him.
I agree that these over-weight Mullhas should be put to task and made to do some physical labor (it will be good for them and society).
Regards,
Ibrahim Malick
#20 Posted by imalick on September 19, 2006 4:17:47 am
Re: # 17
Kumar Sahab,
Many thanks for all your kind words. I have participated in many rallies for freedom of expression, both in New York and Karachi. I will be happy to join anti-blasphemy rally or organize one if there is enough interest from folks in New York. Please advise,
Ibrahim Malick
Kumar Sahab,
Many thanks for all your kind words. I have participated in many rallies for freedom of expression, both in New York and Karachi. I will be happy to join anti-blasphemy rally or organize one if there is enough interest from folks in New York. Please advise,
Ibrahim Malick
#19 Posted by rf786 on September 19, 2006 2:29:39 am
{...Tolerance, may I remind my Muslim brethren, is the core virtue of Islam.}
It all comes down to core values which includes tolerance, sadly muslim intelligensia if that is the correct word to desrcibe them has abdicated all responsibilities to the extremist who are driving thought formation, debate and practices. Iam not sure whether simple reminders will work anymore. Well written article Malick sahib, dulha bahi touch was good but why be polite to these obscurantists when they will never extend the same courtesy to moderate muslims?
#18 Posted by ballukhan on September 19, 2006 12:38:32 am
These Mullahs are the freaking chouts of this world......the pathetic creatures who deserve to be sent to confinement because they are sucking parasites who have NOOOOOOOO productivity in the modern economy except for trying to bomb the WTC and other centers of modern economy and trying to show off that they have a freaking divine right over the world.
These Mullahs are the SOBs of the worst order and their supporters like Asadi and HP equally deserve the same fate. They should be sent to prison and told to do hard physical labour in order to be productive in this world. The Iman of these rascals can be bought for as low as Rs 5,000 and they can decide on any religious issue at that price. I wonder why Pakistan has not done an expose like we have done in India on these mullahs.
It takes GUTS !!!!
Clerics issue fatwas for money
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NEW DELHI: A TV channel on Sunday aired purported footage of Muslim clerics in the national capital and Uttar Pradesh issuing fatwas for a payment, triggering condemnation of them by community leaders and protests in Meerut.
The clerics allegedly issued fatwas on a variety of subjects, including the use of credit cards and camera phones by Muslims, acting in films, and watching television, said the report on Star News that carried out a sting operation along with Cobrapost in Delhi and Meerut.
One of the clerics, Ahmed Nadir Al Qasmi, an official of Delhi-based Islamic Fiqh Academy, was shown allegedly accepting Rs 5,000 for issuing a fatwa. The footage also purportedly showed Maulana Imran, a cleric from Meerut, allegedly demanding Rs 50,000 for issuing five fatwas against the wearing of jeans by girls in Muslim-run institutes and the teaching of English in madarsas. ................
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2000279.cms
hijras!!!
These Mullahs are the SOBs of the worst order and their supporters like Asadi and HP equally deserve the same fate. They should be sent to prison and told to do hard physical labour in order to be productive in this world. The Iman of these rascals can be bought for as low as Rs 5,000 and they can decide on any religious issue at that price. I wonder why Pakistan has not done an expose like we have done in India on these mullahs.
It takes GUTS !!!!
Clerics issue fatwas for money
[ 17 Sep, 2006 2113hrs ISTPTI ]
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NEW DELHI: A TV channel on Sunday aired purported footage of Muslim clerics in the national capital and Uttar Pradesh issuing fatwas for a payment, triggering condemnation of them by community leaders and protests in Meerut.
The clerics allegedly issued fatwas on a variety of subjects, including the use of credit cards and camera phones by Muslims, acting in films, and watching television, said the report on Star News that carried out a sting operation along with Cobrapost in Delhi and Meerut.
One of the clerics, Ahmed Nadir Al Qasmi, an official of Delhi-based Islamic Fiqh Academy, was shown allegedly accepting Rs 5,000 for issuing a fatwa. The footage also purportedly showed Maulana Imran, a cleric from Meerut, allegedly demanding Rs 50,000 for issuing five fatwas against the wearing of jeans by girls in Muslim-run institutes and the teaching of English in madarsas. ................
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2000279.cms
hijras!!!
#17 Posted by bjkumar on September 18, 2006 4:15:27 pm
#16 Malick sahib,
[...the media`s protrayal of the matter gives the impression that the whole Muslim world is outraged. This misleads people into ... massively generalising that Muslims are somehow against free-speech. ]
That ought to bring massive relief to the likes of Salman Rushdie. At last his free-speech rights are respected.
So, are you going to lead that ``Anti Blasphemy Laws`` rally?
The darn medical company keeps misspelling relief!
R - O - L - A - I - D - S
#16 Posted by imalick on September 18, 2006 3:51:22 pm
Re: # 15
Chauhan Sahab,
Many thanks for your kind words.
Even if your assertion is correct that the Pope ``wanted to hop on the Dubya war wagon and drum up support for a modern Crusade,`` it is impossible to defend the violent reaction of some Muslims around the world. These type of controversies such as Pope`s comment and perviously the cartoons are designed to provoke a violent response from the Muslim world and each time Muslims walk right into the trap.
The vast majority of Muslims don`t take offence, but the media`s protrayal of the matter gives the impression that the whole Muslim world is outraged. This misleads people into making comments like those appearing here: massively generalising that Muslims are somehow against free-speech.
Cheers,
Ibrahim Malick
Chauhan Sahab,
Many thanks for your kind words.
Even if your assertion is correct that the Pope ``wanted to hop on the Dubya war wagon and drum up support for a modern Crusade,`` it is impossible to defend the violent reaction of some Muslims around the world. These type of controversies such as Pope`s comment and perviously the cartoons are designed to provoke a violent response from the Muslim world and each time Muslims walk right into the trap.
The vast majority of Muslims don`t take offence, but the media`s protrayal of the matter gives the impression that the whole Muslim world is outraged. This misleads people into making comments like those appearing here: massively generalising that Muslims are somehow against free-speech.
Cheers,
Ibrahim Malick
#15 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on September 18, 2006 10:59:42 am
{``If you have married sisters, and brother-in-laws (dulha bhai, Jeiajee for Indians), you may appreciate how difficult it is when you have to walk on the proverbial egg shells all the time. ``}
Malick Sahib,
So, if in your analogy, the Mullahs are the Jijajees (Dullah Bhais), then is Islam our poor sister who has to suffer these prima donnas. To take it one step further, are these bearded ones screwing Islam? :)
Calling the Holy Father an idiot is one of the kindest word that one can use - the other being ``stupid.`` Being an educated man, well versed in politics and the inner power struggles of the Vatican, I doubt that this provocation of Benedict was anything other than deliberate. I think that he wanted to hop on the Dubya war wagon and drum up support for a modern Crusade. Taking a page from Pat Robertson`s book on how to increase membership, he wanted his anti-Islamic posture to reestablish Catholicism as the fortress against ``evil`` Islam.
Good article and a timely one regarding a current and hot topic. I agree with your characterization of the hated Mullahs. Thanks,
Malick Sahib,
So, if in your analogy, the Mullahs are the Jijajees (Dullah Bhais), then is Islam our poor sister who has to suffer these prima donnas. To take it one step further, are these bearded ones screwing Islam? :)
Calling the Holy Father an idiot is one of the kindest word that one can use - the other being ``stupid.`` Being an educated man, well versed in politics and the inner power struggles of the Vatican, I doubt that this provocation of Benedict was anything other than deliberate. I think that he wanted to hop on the Dubya war wagon and drum up support for a modern Crusade. Taking a page from Pat Robertson`s book on how to increase membership, he wanted his anti-Islamic posture to reestablish Catholicism as the fortress against ``evil`` Islam.
Good article and a timely one regarding a current and hot topic. I agree with your characterization of the hated Mullahs. Thanks,
#14 Posted by Kulharee on September 18, 2006 8:14:40 am
Re: # 13
Masadi, you make an excellent argument for people referring to Muslim as jokers. Nothing to do with Islam. Insensitive and racist bigots like you may think it is acceptable to denigrate a group (i.e., Mirasi) but raise hell when someone calls Muslims bigots and racially profiles them. Quite telling. What I am basically saying is (since you cant get the subliminal message) is that fix your own house (i.e., insecurities) before venturing out to worry about what others think of you.
Masadi, you make an excellent argument for people referring to Muslim as jokers. Nothing to do with Islam. Insensitive and racist bigots like you may think it is acceptable to denigrate a group (i.e., Mirasi) but raise hell when someone calls Muslims bigots and racially profiles them. Quite telling. What I am basically saying is (since you cant get the subliminal message) is that fix your own house (i.e., insecurities) before venturing out to worry about what others think of you.
#13 Posted by masadi on September 18, 2006 7:49:31 am
Kulharee writes <<< Jiahil Masadi, Mirasi is derived from “Virsa” a Farsi term for Lineage. Mirasi community has had music as their Virsa or lineage for generations >>>
Haven`t I told you to stay away from my posts? If you can`t understand simple English, I suggest you quit your job, take a ``English as 2nd language`` class and read some sixth grade texts. I told you when I said Mirasi, I meant a particular concept involving argumentation methodology and NOTHING else. I was not talking about the origin of the word, who is described as such in traditional understanding or any such thing whatsoever.
Hamidm2, when you have nothing intelligent to say, nothing substantive to say, it is best to keep shut rather than reveal you ignorance. Some free, good advice for you
Haven`t I told you to stay away from my posts? If you can`t understand simple English, I suggest you quit your job, take a ``English as 2nd language`` class and read some sixth grade texts. I told you when I said Mirasi, I meant a particular concept involving argumentation methodology and NOTHING else. I was not talking about the origin of the word, who is described as such in traditional understanding or any such thing whatsoever.
Hamidm2, when you have nothing intelligent to say, nothing substantive to say, it is best to keep shut rather than reveal you ignorance. Some free, good advice for you
#12 Posted by hamidm2 on September 18, 2006 6:45:02 am
masadi,
...... your paranoia knows no end - first it was the jews, then the us, then the holy father ....... what is next - barney the irritating purple dinosaur ?
#11 Posted by Kulharee on September 18, 2006 6:41:44 am
Jiahil Masadi, Mirasi is derived from “Virsa” a Farsi term for Lineage. Mirasi community has had music as their Virsa or lineage for generations. Morons like you will never know what it means. And by the way, the other chootiyas who wake up one day to decide that they want to be musicians (in Indian classical traditions) are referred to as “Atai”. I just wanted to educate you, so don’t get uptight about that.
#10 Posted by masadi on September 18, 2006 12:30:19 am
This was reported back in March (MSNBC)
``In his former role as Cardinal Ratzinger, he made a statement about Turkey that still haunts him now that he has taken over his new role as pope.
When asked about Turkey`s effort to join the European Union by the French newspaper Le Figaro, he answered, ``Turkey always represented another continent during history, always in contrast with Europe.`` In the widely reported interview, he went on to say that he was opposed to Turkey entering the EU “on the grounds that it is a Muslim nation.”
The former Cardinal Ratzinger seemed to see the entry of Turkey into the EU as a threat to the Christian tradition inherent in Western Europe.``
Here is another one from 2005, before the ``Rat`` became the Pope
VATICAN`S TIES WITH ISLAM
by Amir Taheri
Arab News
April 16, 2005
While officially there is no election campaign in choosing a successor to Pope John Paul II, the half a dozen cardinals in line for the job are engaged in their version of electioneering. Some have taken to the media like duck to water, heightening their profile through TV and radio interviews. Others have relied on friends to keep their miters in the ring.
One issue that is dominating the debate about the succession is the attitude that the next pope, leader of the world`s estimated one billion Catholics, should adopt toward Islam.
For centuries the Catholic Church either tried to ignore Islam or clung to medieval prejudices borne out of misunderstanding or ignorance. By the middle of the last century, however, the Vatican, the state expression of the Catholic Church, felt obliged to develop a policy toward Islam if only to organize its relations with a growing number of Muslim countries. At the start of the last century there were just six more or less independent Muslim states. By the year 2000 that number had grown to 53....
Ratzinger suggests an alternative strategy (to John Paul) under which the Catholic Church would focus on the consolidation of its position in its traditional strongholds in Europe and the American Continent. In that context Ratzinger has publicly opposed the admission of Turkey into the European Union.
Ratzinger regards a formal dialogue with Islam as a handicap for the Catholic Church because it would assume a measure of equality between the two faiths, signaling to people, especially in Europe, that they can shop around for religion. Ratzinger`s strategy enjoys much support in the College of Cardinals. But it also has critics.
Cardinal Angel Scola, the archbishop of Venice and another contender for John Paul II`s succession, regards Ratzinger`s strategy as ``defensive`` and based on the West`s traditional fears about Islam. Cardinal Cormac Murphy O`Connor, the archbishop of Westminster, goes further and described dialogue with Islam as ``an urgent need``.
``We must find interlocutors in all Muslim countries,`` he says. ``Christianity and Islam have a shared responsibility in defending world peace.``.....In the next few days we shall know who has won the argument in the Vatican.
(edited for space).
``In his former role as Cardinal Ratzinger, he made a statement about Turkey that still haunts him now that he has taken over his new role as pope.
When asked about Turkey`s effort to join the European Union by the French newspaper Le Figaro, he answered, ``Turkey always represented another continent during history, always in contrast with Europe.`` In the widely reported interview, he went on to say that he was opposed to Turkey entering the EU “on the grounds that it is a Muslim nation.”
The former Cardinal Ratzinger seemed to see the entry of Turkey into the EU as a threat to the Christian tradition inherent in Western Europe.``
Here is another one from 2005, before the ``Rat`` became the Pope
VATICAN`S TIES WITH ISLAM
by Amir Taheri
Arab News
April 16, 2005
While officially there is no election campaign in choosing a successor to Pope John Paul II, the half a dozen cardinals in line for the job are engaged in their version of electioneering. Some have taken to the media like duck to water, heightening their profile through TV and radio interviews. Others have relied on friends to keep their miters in the ring.
One issue that is dominating the debate about the succession is the attitude that the next pope, leader of the world`s estimated one billion Catholics, should adopt toward Islam.
For centuries the Catholic Church either tried to ignore Islam or clung to medieval prejudices borne out of misunderstanding or ignorance. By the middle of the last century, however, the Vatican, the state expression of the Catholic Church, felt obliged to develop a policy toward Islam if only to organize its relations with a growing number of Muslim countries. At the start of the last century there were just six more or less independent Muslim states. By the year 2000 that number had grown to 53....
Ratzinger suggests an alternative strategy (to John Paul) under which the Catholic Church would focus on the consolidation of its position in its traditional strongholds in Europe and the American Continent. In that context Ratzinger has publicly opposed the admission of Turkey into the European Union.
Ratzinger regards a formal dialogue with Islam as a handicap for the Catholic Church because it would assume a measure of equality between the two faiths, signaling to people, especially in Europe, that they can shop around for religion. Ratzinger`s strategy enjoys much support in the College of Cardinals. But it also has critics.
Cardinal Angel Scola, the archbishop of Venice and another contender for John Paul II`s succession, regards Ratzinger`s strategy as ``defensive`` and based on the West`s traditional fears about Islam. Cardinal Cormac Murphy O`Connor, the archbishop of Westminster, goes further and described dialogue with Islam as ``an urgent need``.
``We must find interlocutors in all Muslim countries,`` he says. ``Christianity and Islam have a shared responsibility in defending world peace.``.....In the next few days we shall know who has won the argument in the Vatican.
(edited for space).
#9 Posted by masadi on September 18, 2006 12:00:09 am
Ranjit mirasi writes <<>
Another trait of the Mirasi Mentality, as I have conceptualized (see link) is that they are unable to distinguish between logical and illogical argumentation. It is not regarding talking about the same explanatory variable rather it is that these people have no clue that what they are spewing has nothing to do with reason or logic or fact. That is what constitutes the Mirasi Mentality regardless of subject matter.
The author writes <<< It is unfortunate that Benedict, who shares John Paul’s call for an interfaith dialogue between Christians and Muslims, has touched off a crisis of dangerous proportions. >>>
John Paul was more diplomatic but his feelings on Islam were much the same as Benedicts, so on the scale of hypocrisy John Paul was higher than Benedict, on the scale of ignorance bother are more or less the same, and in following a totally illogical theology both are identical.
Another trait of the Mirasi Mentality, as I have conceptualized (see link) is that they are unable to distinguish between logical and illogical argumentation. It is not regarding talking about the same explanatory variable rather it is that these people have no clue that what they are spewing has nothing to do with reason or logic or fact. That is what constitutes the Mirasi Mentality regardless of subject matter.
The author writes <<< It is unfortunate that Benedict, who shares John Paul’s call for an interfaith dialogue between Christians and Muslims, has touched off a crisis of dangerous proportions. >>>
John Paul was more diplomatic but his feelings on Islam were much the same as Benedicts, so on the scale of hypocrisy John Paul was higher than Benedict, on the scale of ignorance bother are more or less the same, and in following a totally illogical theology both are identical.
#8 Posted by Ranjit on September 17, 2006 10:45:28 pm
Re:masadi#7
[...By mirasi mentality I simply am referring to an illogical argumentation technique that damn fools use on here, they keep buzzing the same tune, the logic of the tabla, regardless of the facts....]
By that definition, you sir are the biggest mirasi of all on chowk. Talk about buzzing the same tune - US power elites, everything islamic is great, everything else $ucks. You have been playing this tune for months like a broken record, regardless of facts. I guess you deserve to be crowned as mirasi-e-azam of chowk.
[...By mirasi mentality I simply am referring to an illogical argumentation technique that damn fools use on here, they keep buzzing the same tune, the logic of the tabla, regardless of the facts....]
By that definition, you sir are the biggest mirasi of all on chowk. Talk about buzzing the same tune - US power elites, everything islamic is great, everything else $ucks. You have been playing this tune for months like a broken record, regardless of facts. I guess you deserve to be crowned as mirasi-e-azam of chowk.
#7 Posted by masadi on September 17, 2006 9:50:36 pm
ranjit mirasi writes <<< Just using the word mirasi shows that masadi is a third class mullah of the worst kind. He hates music - something that God has given as a boon to all human beings >>>
Assuming things they have no knowledge of is another hallmark of the mirasi mentality. My mp3 player has many tunes on it which I enjoy from time to time. By mirasi mentality I simply am referring to an illogical argumentation technique that damn fools use on here, they keep buzzing the same tune, the logic of the tabla, regardless of the facts. I am not interested in the biographies of those described as mirasis.
hamidm writes <<< mullah masadi,
............ did you call the holy father an idiot ?.. >>>
Yes I certainly did and with proof on his dimwit reasoning ability, proof that is clear for all to see unlike what he presents as `proof` dispariging the prophet, whose shoes he is not fit to carry. In another place I referred to him as a damn fool . Now I wouldn`t say the same about Hans Kuhn who also happens to be a Catholic but is not a damn fool. The mirasis have no problem with anyone saying things about the prophet day and night but anything against their `holy father` is the ultimate sin. Hypocrites
Assuming things they have no knowledge of is another hallmark of the mirasi mentality. My mp3 player has many tunes on it which I enjoy from time to time. By mirasi mentality I simply am referring to an illogical argumentation technique that damn fools use on here, they keep buzzing the same tune, the logic of the tabla, regardless of the facts. I am not interested in the biographies of those described as mirasis.
hamidm writes <<< mullah masadi,
............ did you call the holy father an idiot ?.. >>>
Yes I certainly did and with proof on his dimwit reasoning ability, proof that is clear for all to see unlike what he presents as `proof` dispariging the prophet, whose shoes he is not fit to carry. In another place I referred to him as a damn fool . Now I wouldn`t say the same about Hans Kuhn who also happens to be a Catholic but is not a damn fool. The mirasis have no problem with anyone saying things about the prophet day and night but anything against their `holy father` is the ultimate sin. Hypocrites
#6 Posted by Ranjit on September 17, 2006 8:09:54 pm
Re:masadi#3
[...ranjit mirasi writes <<<....]
Just using the word mirasi shows that masadi is a third class mullah of the worst kind. He hates music - something that God has given as a boon to all human beings. Music can make one reach God. Cultured muslims know this which is why they contributed so much to the culture of the subcontinent and continue to do so - an example would be someone like Bismillah Khan - who is a million times better muslim than the entire family tree of masadi.
One can see that masadi has only one culture - ``agriculture``. I guess it is due to his uncouth paindoo roots, where anything of sophistication is deemed unislamic.
[...ranjit mirasi writes <<<....]
Just using the word mirasi shows that masadi is a third class mullah of the worst kind. He hates music - something that God has given as a boon to all human beings. Music can make one reach God. Cultured muslims know this which is why they contributed so much to the culture of the subcontinent and continue to do so - an example would be someone like Bismillah Khan - who is a million times better muslim than the entire family tree of masadi.
One can see that masadi has only one culture - ``agriculture``. I guess it is due to his uncouth paindoo roots, where anything of sophistication is deemed unislamic.
#5 Posted by bjkumar on September 17, 2006 7:54:49 pm
#4 Hamidm2
Alas, how you misunderstand the Mullah Masadi.
Of couse, he is sensitive to the sensitivities of Catholics.
And would be on this board, too.
Were there any.
You see mian, in the Masadi book, there are no Catholics on this board.
Or anywhere else.
There is no such thing as a Catholic, or a Hindu, or a whatever.
There are only two types of people in his world.
The Islamics and those remaining to be converted!
#4 Posted by hamidm2 on September 17, 2006 7:35:45 pm
Re: # 3
mullah masadi,
............ did you call the holy father an idiot ?............. not that good muslims care about how other people feel, but some catholics might take umbrage at the insult ...........
mullah masadi,
............ did you call the holy father an idiot ?............. not that good muslims care about how other people feel, but some catholics might take umbrage at the insult ...........
#3 Posted by masadi on September 17, 2006 7:01:19 pm
ranjit mirasi writes <<< This is the direct result of the constant diet of paranoid anti-western propaganda peddled by the mullahs and their supporters in the muslim world >>>
Nothing that the mullah can feed people equals in either reach or technological prowess compared to the ``constant diet`` of anti Islamic and anti Muslim rhetoric that has been fed to the West both through the current mass media and historically through religious and educational institutions. The effects of this we see in the current Pope remarks. The idiot has no modern scholarship that will back up his bigotry to instead of quoting Fox News he defaults to the crusaders of old and their views on Islam.
It is quite baffling to see the interest these Hindu bigots on here are showing in all issues involving Islam. Not only have they no relation to the issues, except as appeasers of their Western masters, they have no clue about Islam, or what it is about. In fact they are even more idiotic than the pope, he quoted an ignorant emperor, they quote tabloids.
Nothing that the mullah can feed people equals in either reach or technological prowess compared to the ``constant diet`` of anti Islamic and anti Muslim rhetoric that has been fed to the West both through the current mass media and historically through religious and educational institutions. The effects of this we see in the current Pope remarks. The idiot has no modern scholarship that will back up his bigotry to instead of quoting Fox News he defaults to the crusaders of old and their views on Islam.
It is quite baffling to see the interest these Hindu bigots on here are showing in all issues involving Islam. Not only have they no relation to the issues, except as appeasers of their Western masters, they have no clue about Islam, or what it is about. In fact they are even more idiotic than the pope, he quoted an ignorant emperor, they quote tabloids.
#2 Posted by Ranjit on September 17, 2006 6:40:38 pm
[...You never know what will upset these hyper sensitive creatures of Allah...]
This is the direct result of the constant diet of paranoid anti-western propaganda peddled by the mullahs and their supporters in the muslim world. Everything is an us versus them. Every action a potential conspiracy against Islam - the good ol` ``Islam Khatre Mein Hai`` bogey!!
It is the clearest sign that the muslim world has lost all capabilites for rational thought and rational discourse. Only an insecure and irrational people behave like this on minor matters. Somehow muslims feel that this kind of vocal reaction to petty matters will protect their faith. It does the opposite!! It reduces the status of Islam in front of the world and makes it a caricature of a religion. A more restrained and intellectual approach can work wonders for the faith and the people following the faith.
#1 Posted by bjkumar on September 17, 2006 6:03:33 pm
There is no denying the fact that except in their own minds, the mullahs have not done a single bit of good to their religion.
Not a single bit!!!
They have held fast – more stubborn than a mule – to the oldest dogmas, and thought processes and every little bit of archaic inanity one could ever imagine!
They have opposed every bit of progressive thought ever! They have even tried to arrest the very process of the thought process itself – at every opportunity.
They have been the primary culprits for the subjugation and inhuman treatment of women that is widely practiced throughout the Muslim world – including, yes VERY MUCH INCLUDING, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Having said all that, the average Mullah in the subcontinent is really not capable of doing more damage than some rabble rousing. The problem becomes serious when a support structure develops which can use these willing pawns to further their own selfish aims.
In the subcontinent, that support structure wears a khaki garb!
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