Infallibility No guard Against Stupidity

Re: # 200 by PM

PM:

Thanks for the references. You say:

``.....are leaving the Church because they find it too liberal.``

Yes, I find this very interesting too. Fundamentalism is taking roots all over the world. I am sure you know about the powerful Catholic groups like Leg. of Christ, Op. dei etc. These groups (apart from some small Jewish groups) control business and finance in most of Latin America. They are important players here in the US too. These groups are extremely closed and do not advertise themselves. They will tell you that their sister-in-law or uncle is a member of the group but will never tell you that they themselves are a pert of the group. Members are very religious, very decent, are heavily into charity and education boards and also extremely rich. They also have tremendous influence on their local communities, often at individual levels (they hardly mention their groups). But above all they are fundamentalists. In this day and age, and given their location, you would be surprised to hear their opinion on race, women, gays, other religions etc. These views may even put your local mullah`s views to shame. The guys have longed for a `powerful` pope for some time now. Many believe that they have finally got one. But many still need to be convinced .... I think the pope is talking to them.

Regards.

While the Catholic Church has its own share of faults, one bright spot is the effort of all the various orders in the area of education. Jesuits, Franciscans, Marianists, and others have all provided excellent education to BOTH Catholics and non-Catholics, including many many Muslims. There is no denying that.

Mohar11 {``#144 by mohar11 on September 20, 2006 2:50pm PT
Re: # 142 salim

Be careful there - hearing juicy stories is NOT the only thing that catholic priests do... they have their own version of gilman fixations...``}

Mohar Bhayya,
Leave it to you to keep track of the clouds above the silver lining. :) I will withdraw my application to the seminary. :(

#182 by hamidm2


[talking about stupidity ............

.......... given the miserable state of the muslims and the rather dubious character of mohammad, i have often though about reverting to the religion of my dhoti-clad ancestor raja gopinath of gujjar khan ............ but then the horrible hindoos, who i hold in great esteem inspite of their head wagging and steak-on-the-hoof worship, go and do something equally stupid like burning old woman : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5366506.stm

......... now, what is up with that ?........ ]


A few points:

1) In India, Sati is ILLEGAL.

2) It has nothing to do with Hindu ``religion``.

3) In this particular case, it may have been suicide or murder (by her sons).

4) (The most important point) Hindus are NOT trying to convert you guys so that you are OBLIGATED to burn old women.


Of course, you, or any otrher Muslim on this forum, would not be able to refute any of the points.

So, do I think that having obtained an irrefutable answer the Malodorous Muslims are going to stop talking about Sati?

No. I don`t. Because although they are arguing themselves hoarse all day on Chowk, when cornered, they will say that it is their ``faith``, therefore arguments do not apply.

Go figure. Or better, don`t bother.

Re 200

this excellent article

The air-head scratcher congratulating himself

Scratch scratch.

GT #195:
Interesting, that thesis. It is the thrust of AlephNull`s argument here as well as this excellent article.

I am not knowledgeable enough, I guess, to comment it. I was certainly not aware that sizeable populations in Latin America and TX, AZ and CA are leaving the Church because they find it too liberal.

#198 on a more positive note, of course, there are some excellent schools - public schools, private schools, roman catholic schools - that are also there in Pakistan. And hopefully - there is always hope - external influences (e.g. children of paindoos going to public schools in the US where character building is emphasized, and thus building up some strength of character) will have an impact as well.

behram: good to hear from you. there is indeed a fundamental problem with pakistani education - namely, character building is not stressed. that is why you have so many individuals who are unwilling to acknowledge facts even when they are staring at them in the face - this is just another result of lack of emphasis on character building at home and in school, with all the emphasis being on getting ``high marks`` at school and in terms of religious rituals at home.

Napoleon said the character is destiny. And so the destiny of Pakistan is being shaped in our primary schools....and madrassahs (of which we have 14000). And this explains why after 60 years of independence, we remain a politically unstable nation with maulvis buzzing around like flies on a beggar.

Re: # 192 PM

Yep - the guy was inconsolable, cried a f***ng river in chowk about serious dicussions, heart-to-heart talks and relationshsips and what not... and how hinuds are scr@wing his life by not allowing him to engage in all those activities... boo hoo... and chowk-staff were bowled over... there was a big group-hug... Ugghhh - it was pathetic...

and after all that drama - we have this... I mean - what are you going to do with these whining effeminates ?...

re. TAhmed #140:
``PM: but seriously speaking - the Catholic Church is the oldest continuous bureaucracy in the world. what the hell do you expect from a bureaucracy?? new ideas??``
True, dat!

``Islam on the other hand is a bazaar. with everyone mullah elbowing others to sell his stuff.``

Would`ve been great if the wares came without the label ``Sealed in the 11th century. No user or expert serviceable parts. Open at your peril.``

PM:

Do you think that the pope was trying to circle the wagons? A lot of people, especially in Latin America, are leaving the Catholic church. So are catholics in Texas, Arizona and California. Surprisingly, it is because they feel that the church is not conservative enough. In that sense Ratzinger is a `good` leader for these folks. However, the pope is nerdy and is not able to communicate as well as his predecessor (I read his book in defense of the Christian dogma and it is a difficult read). I have a feeling that he is trying to communicate to the masses that he is a tough guy and will protect his folks from the onslaught of the barbarians. I will not be surprised if he says something nasty about the Jews / Israel in the near future, followed by something on the evangelists.

Re: # 154 nasah

Pope, the holy father.... Muhhammad, the PUBH .... and Bal the mothafkking Thackeray...
Are you trying elevate that Thackeray rat into the company of ``giants`` or is there any other point to your increasingly stupid outbursts....[ like that ``muslims do not take atrocities lying down`` stupidity]

As far as I know - hinuds have already taken care of Thackeray by sending him out of power... the rat is sitting on his bony hunches and screwing his son`s wife, is what I heard... Now, who is going to take care of the Pope, the Holy father for his sins?... Or Muhammad the PUBH for his untold genocides?...

PM

Keep scratching with Brillo pad. Don`t mind the red pajama of yours.

re. mohar:
``Wasn`t this guy ``godot`` whining about ``serious discussions`` sometime back?... ``

Oh really!?!?? LMAO!!! Didn`t anyone tell the cretin to grow up and come back?

re. cretin: A prerequisite for eliciting a reply is that you make sense or display a minimal degree of humour.
So long!

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Parting thoughts:
re. godot the idiot #113:
``That’s true, [Muslims have a superiority complex] because Islam is the only religion that teaches that all human beings are equal before God, and that welfare of the other is as important as the welfare of self.``

That`s funny. Equal before God, but clearly not before the Law. Do you really want to argue this out Godot? I mean, weight of Muslim witness vs non-Muslim, dhimmi-tax and the rest?

Don`t tell me... I`m not waiting...

P.S. btw, ``too many`` is by definition a subjective statement requiring no evidence. Too much for a cretin to comprehend? tch tch

Wasn`t this guy ``godot`` whining about ``serious discussions`` sometime back?... how hinuds jammed his ### with hot rods and he could never talk his heart out with his paki
(b0y)friends freely...

Now what?....

Well - when next time hinuds give you just desert - don`t come crying to mommy...:)