Patrick Masih September 18, 2006
#189 Posted by jang on September 21, 2006 7:23:31 am
i know for a fact that in india, among all the practiced faiths, the general public has a relatively high regard for the christians but not so for the muslim faith (and ironically some of the public is muslim themselves), bad deeds of the catholic church not-withstanding, due to a demonstrated history of service to the community in form of shcools colleges and hospitals. so while on paper islam may be the brightest light to shine on us (when viewed from a specific angle), what is visible in the community matters too. it is indeed this concept of service by the organized church which really irks the hindutvas and they have been inspired to form similar institutions in tribal areas.
#188 Posted by PM on September 21, 2006 7:21:22 am
re. hamidm #182
``.....by the way, what were they thinking when they painted the church on the corner of the mall and murree road pink!``
I dunno... `inviting the Boston, or SF diocese over, maybe??
``.....by the way, what were they thinking when they painted the church on the corner of the mall and murree road pink!``
I dunno... `inviting the Boston, or SF diocese over, maybe??
#187 Posted by PM on September 21, 2006 7:18:43 am
re godot:
“can you provide statistical evidence of “far too many”?
Yes, but not to cretins who don`t know the meaning of `equal in God`s eyes` anyway. So scratch off already. Take your #3 file with you.
:))
re. godot the idiot #113:
``That’s true, [Muslims have a superiority complex] because Islam is the only religion that teaches that all human beings are equal before God, and that welfare of the other is as important as the welfare of self.``
That`s funny. Equal before God, but clearly not before the Law. Do you really want to argue this out Godot? I mean, weight of Muslim witness vs non-Muslim, dhimmi-tax and the rest?
Don`t tell me... I`m not waiting...
“can you provide statistical evidence of “far too many”?
Yes, but not to cretins who don`t know the meaning of `equal in God`s eyes` anyway. So scratch off already. Take your #3 file with you.
:))
re. godot the idiot #113:
``That’s true, [Muslims have a superiority complex] because Islam is the only religion that teaches that all human beings are equal before God, and that welfare of the other is as important as the welfare of self.``
That`s funny. Equal before God, but clearly not before the Law. Do you really want to argue this out Godot? I mean, weight of Muslim witness vs non-Muslim, dhimmi-tax and the rest?
Don`t tell me... I`m not waiting...
#186 Posted by Godot on September 21, 2006 7:18:23 am
PM, 185
You cannot provide evidence because you let it out when scratching.
Scratch scratch.
#185 Posted by PM on September 21, 2006 7:15:03 am
re godot:
“can you provide statistical evidence of “far too many”?
Yes, but not to cretins who don`t know the meaning of `equal in God`s eyes` anyway. So scratch off already. Take your #3 file with you.
:))
“can you provide statistical evidence of “far too many”?
Yes, but not to cretins who don`t know the meaning of `equal in God`s eyes` anyway. So scratch off already. Take your #3 file with you.
:))
#184 Posted by Godot on September 21, 2006 6:54:26 am
PM
re 180
Scratch scratch. Stop using Brillo, the steel wool pad...you are now bleeding. Your pajama is all red.
#183 Posted by Dash_Dot on September 21, 2006 6:12:41 am
Re: # 182 but the horrible hindus have acted quickly
Sons arrested in sati death probe
The practice of sati is still rare in India
Indian police have arrested four sons of an old woman,/u> they believe committed suicide on Wednesday by jumping onto her husband`s funeral pyre
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5366506.stm
Sons arrested in sati death probe
The practice of sati is still rare in India
Indian police have arrested four sons of an old woman,/u> they believe committed suicide on Wednesday by jumping onto her husband`s funeral pyre
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5366506.stm
#182 Posted by hamidm2 on September 21, 2006 5:52:23 am
talking about stupidity ............
.......... given the miserable state of the muslims and the rather dubious character of mohammad, i have often though about reverting to the religion of my dhoti-clad ancestor raja gopinath of gujjar khan ............ but then the horrible hindoos, who i hold in great esteem inspite of their head wagging and steak-on-the-hoof worship, go and do something equally stupid like burning old woman : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5366506.stm
......... now, what is up with that ?........ these people make the pope and mullah masadi look like geniuses
PM: you are right about churches in rawalpindi - as far as i can tell, not a single new church has been built in the last thirty five years and i have heard my christian friends often complain about it .......... also, i don`t recall seeing an ahmedi mosque (the one on murree road has been `under construction` for the last twenty five years and its dome and minarets were taken down about twentyyears ago - i have never seen the big iron gate or the small door in the gate open) ............similary, ismailis keep a low profile and their jamaat khanas are often in nondescript houses in residential areas ........... in an islamic country it is not wise for infidels to flout their religion - you never know when the faithful will discover god and go on a rampage ............. masadi is impaired by his fanatical faith and is a pathological liar ................ by the way, what were they thinking when they painted the church on the corner of the mall and murree road pink !
#181 Posted by Behram1 on September 21, 2006 5:46:58 am
Re: # 159 by PM on September 21, 2006 3:07am PT
Dear Patrick:
You post to masadi is indicative of his level of reasoning and his belief.
{ Hopefully, you are just riled up over the spanking you got yesterday, and this is just an aberration on your part. }
No sir, this is not an aberration. Masadi, is just a vibrator who only vibrates on this chowk to get some ecstasy. Poor fellow, being a vibrator his only station is on this chowk.
{.... But now your fine words somehow ring a little hollower, because you seem to have an issue not with the secular West, per se, but with Christianity too.}
He has problems with all other social setup except his own brand of faith, and its superiority.
Respectfully submitted,
Dear Patrick:
You post to masadi is indicative of his level of reasoning and his belief.
{ Hopefully, you are just riled up over the spanking you got yesterday, and this is just an aberration on your part. }
No sir, this is not an aberration. Masadi, is just a vibrator who only vibrates on this chowk to get some ecstasy. Poor fellow, being a vibrator his only station is on this chowk.
{.... But now your fine words somehow ring a little hollower, because you seem to have an issue not with the secular West, per se, but with Christianity too.}
He has problems with all other social setup except his own brand of faith, and its superiority.
Respectfully submitted,
#180 Posted by Godot on September 21, 2006 5:46:21 am
PM, 178
“So, to you “Christians” no longer feel superior to other religions…and is that your personal opinion or you can back it up with evidence?”
While educated Muslims stress ``there is no compulsion...``, far too many are indoctrinating their young into a ridicule of the very societies
“can you provide statistical evidence of “far too many”?
Scratch scratch.
#179 Posted by PM on September 21, 2006 5:36:45 am
masadi, in case you missed this:
Maybe you were not satisfied with my arguments re. the Ad Homenim issue. So let me clarify:
WHY AD HOMENIM IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE W.R.T ISLAM & THE PROPHET
(disclaimer: this is not an attempt to malign the prophet; simply an examination of the logical tenability of the above contention)
In fact, let us, for reasons of discretion, take Person Y, and Book X so as to not tarnish the the Prophet or the Qur`an, even unwittingly.
If you accept that:
1. The Book X is the unaltered, inconrovertible word of Allah, and
2. The Book X admonishes believers to ``obey Allah and also Person Y``
then it should follow that,
If there is a certain character trait possessed by the Person Y not worthy of emulation,
then the merit of Book X, by extension (refer to #2 above) is called into question.
It is in fact #2. that makes Ad Hominem an impossibilty.
(The assumption here is that the character trait mentioned is not a fabrication. If it is, then the whole argument is fallacious, but not on grounds of Ad Hominem but Libel.)
Maybe you were not satisfied with my arguments re. the Ad Homenim issue. So let me clarify:
WHY AD HOMENIM IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE W.R.T ISLAM & THE PROPHET
(disclaimer: this is not an attempt to malign the prophet; simply an examination of the logical tenability of the above contention)
In fact, let us, for reasons of discretion, take Person Y, and Book X so as to not tarnish the the Prophet or the Qur`an, even unwittingly.
If you accept that:
1. The Book X is the unaltered, inconrovertible word of Allah, and
2. The Book X admonishes believers to ``obey Allah and also Person Y``
then it should follow that,
If there is a certain character trait possessed by the Person Y not worthy of emulation,
then the merit of Book X, by extension (refer to #2 above) is called into question.
It is in fact #2. that makes Ad Hominem an impossibilty.
(The assumption here is that the character trait mentioned is not a fabrication. If it is, then the whole argument is fallacious, but not on grounds of Ad Hominem but Libel.)
#178 Posted by PM on September 21, 2006 5:34:12 am
Godot, #176
actually, it was fun seeing how long you`d go on scratching while thinking you were making me do the same.
But now it`s not fun anymore because its struck me you`re not just dumb and unfunny, but boring and unoriginal too.
But hey, scratch away all you want, if it gives you a buzz!
:))
re. godot the idiot #113:
``That’s true, [Muslims have a superiority complex] because Islam is the only religion that teaches that all human beings are equal before God, and that welfare of the other is as important as the welfare of self.``
That`s funny. Equal before God, but clearly not before the Law. Do you really want to argue this out Godot? I mean, weight of Muslim witness vs non-Muslim, dhimmi-tax and the rest? tell me... I`m waiting...
actually, it was fun seeing how long you`d go on scratching while thinking you were making me do the same.
But now it`s not fun anymore because its struck me you`re not just dumb and unfunny, but boring and unoriginal too.
But hey, scratch away all you want, if it gives you a buzz!
:))
re. godot the idiot #113:
``That’s true, [Muslims have a superiority complex] because Islam is the only religion that teaches that all human beings are equal before God, and that welfare of the other is as important as the welfare of self.``
That`s funny. Equal before God, but clearly not before the Law. Do you really want to argue this out Godot? I mean, weight of Muslim witness vs non-Muslim, dhimmi-tax and the rest? tell me... I`m waiting...
#177 Posted by Behram1 on September 21, 2006 5:27:15 am
Re: # 153 by tahmed32 on September 20, 2006 6:57pm PT
Dear tahmed32:
You wrote: {as an ex-student of a school run by roman catholics i agree with jang.}
And that is all the reason why hate mongers like masadi take refuge behind their brand of religiosity. Masadi, who was unable to get his childhood education in an enlightened way is just stuck in jealousy about all of us who were blessed by the western education system in Pakistan.
You write..{They made a real contribution to Pakistan, and some of the most successful pakistanis are products of schools run by roman catholics.} Of course, they have. All the more reason for masadi types who feel marginalized in their effort to create political problems between those who are unable to use their intellect and those who can.
We must all rise above the mumbo-jumbo of religious hatred that masadi is continuously promoting in a disguise that he is knowledgeable. This poor chap has no faculty for reason or knowledge.
Respectfully submitted,
Dear tahmed32:
You wrote: {as an ex-student of a school run by roman catholics i agree with jang.}
And that is all the reason why hate mongers like masadi take refuge behind their brand of religiosity. Masadi, who was unable to get his childhood education in an enlightened way is just stuck in jealousy about all of us who were blessed by the western education system in Pakistan.
You write..{They made a real contribution to Pakistan, and some of the most successful pakistanis are products of schools run by roman catholics.} Of course, they have. All the more reason for masadi types who feel marginalized in their effort to create political problems between those who are unable to use their intellect and those who can.
We must all rise above the mumbo-jumbo of religious hatred that masadi is continuously promoting in a disguise that he is knowledgeable. This poor chap has no faculty for reason or knowledge.
Respectfully submitted,
#176 Posted by Godot on September 21, 2006 5:25:59 am
PM, 174
That irrepressible itch is killing you, isn’t it?
Scratch scratch.
#175 Posted by PM on September 21, 2006 5:25:33 am
aslam, lest your rather important post #165 be lost too soon thanks to lapdog`s antics here, I am reposting it for the benefit of those who might not bother going past page1 here:
#165 by aslam644 on September 21, 2006 4:05am PT
Re: # 161
masadi
catholic church has done terrible things in the past, i remember reading a book by a missionary in which he described africans as `savage heathens`. presently catholic church is doing a lot of good especially in africa providing 1000`s of schools and clinics for the poor.
in UK some of the most dedicated teachers are irish catholic nuns, they run schools in some of the most deprived inner cities, they also provide cloths and furniture for the poor, as wel as subsidised housing, i know of a pakistani family who live in church housing, they less than half the normal rent.
#165 by aslam644 on September 21, 2006 4:05am PT
Re: # 161
masadi
catholic church has done terrible things in the past, i remember reading a book by a missionary in which he described africans as `savage heathens`. presently catholic church is doing a lot of good especially in africa providing 1000`s of schools and clinics for the poor.
in UK some of the most dedicated teachers are irish catholic nuns, they run schools in some of the most deprived inner cities, they also provide cloths and furniture for the poor, as wel as subsidised housing, i know of a pakistani family who live in church housing, they less than half the normal rent.
#174 Posted by PM on September 21, 2006 5:17:52 am
hahaha, Godot the idiot is now trying new tactics to escape the fact that he was caught with his pants down (not that there was anything to see!) at #118. (reprinted @ 172)
``answer my questions``.... well tell you what, godidiot, since your suppposed questions are all still only in your head, I`ll allow you to answer them yourself. Knowing you, even THAT task would have you SCRATCHING you head away.
:))
``answer my questions``.... well tell you what, godidiot, since your suppposed questions are all still only in your head, I`ll allow you to answer them yourself. Knowing you, even THAT task would have you SCRATCHING you head away.
:))
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