Infallibility No guard Against Stupidity

PM, 172

Do you want to answer the questions I asked or you are too busy scratching that irrepressible itch of yours?

damn it`s gettin` quiet `round here. Time for re-runs:
re. godot the idiot #113:
``That’s true, [Muslims have a superiority complex] because Islam is the only religion that teaches that all human beings are equal before God, and that welfare of the other is as important as the welfare of self.``

That`s funny. Equal before God, but clearly not before the Law. Do you really want to argue this out Godot? I mean, weight of Muslim witness vs non-Muslim, dhimmi-tax and the rest? tell me... I`m waiting...
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Still waiting.... :-)

godot,
What are you going to do now that there`s no-one around to play lapdog to? Post more self-portraits?

PM, 166

Damn that irrepressible itch

masadi, maybe you were not satisfied with my arguments re. the Ad Homenim issue. So let me clarify:

WHY AD HOMENIM IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE W.R.T ISLAM & THE PROPHET
(disclaimer: this is not an attempt to malign the prophet; simply an examination of the logical tenability of the above contention)

In fact, let us, for reasons of discretion, take Person Y, and Book X so as to not tarnish the the Prophet or the Qur`an, even unwittingly.

If you accept that:
1. The Book X is the unaltered, inconrovertible word of Allah, and
2. The Book X admonishes believers to ``obey Allah and also Person Y``

then it should follow that,
If there is a certain character trait possessed by the Person Y not worthy of emulation,
then the merit of Book X, by extension (refer to #2 above) is called into question.

It is in fact #2. that makes Ad Hominem an impossibilty.

(The assumption here is that the character trait mentioned is not a fabrication. If it is, then the whole argument is fallacious, but not on grounds of Ad Hominem but Libel.)

re. aslam #165:
``in UK some of the most dedicated teachers are irish catholic nuns, they run schools in some of the most deprived inner cities, they also provide cloths and furniture for the poor, as wel as subsidised housing, i know of a pakistani family who live in church housing, they less than half the normal rent.``

But you don`t get it... This all all part of their evil plan to prosetylise the Protestants there, just like the Church`s fighting for the rights of the downtrodden in Punjabi villages is nothing but a sinister attempt to swell their ranks there.
;-)

Re: # 165

( they less than half the normal rent)

it should read: they pay less than half normal rent.

Incidentally, masadi, the statement,
``So far you have evaded, dodged, beat around the bush and tried all kinds of tricks to avoid answering a single question or challenge I have posed``
is patently untrue, and the posts to prove so can easily be called forth.

You really should be more careful throwing such accusation about, masadi, becasue they only serve to add to the ever-increasing list of your dubious credentials.

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Godot, glad to see you`re still at the party, even if as a mere lapdog.

Re: # 161
masadi
catholic church has done terrible things in the past, i remember reading a book by a missionary in which he described africans as `savage heathens`. presently catholic church is doing a lot of good especially in africa providing 1000`s of schools and clinics for the poor.

in UK some of the most dedicated teachers are irish catholic nuns, they run schools in some of the most deprived inner cities, they also provide cloths and furniture for the poor, as wel as subsidised housing, i know of a pakistani family who live in church housing, they less than half the normal rent.

correction: ``....has even less respect for various (though by no means not all) branches of Protestantism.``

And, incidentally, is your knowledge of Christianity so truly limited that you suppose that any anti-papist Christian MUST support and aver Luther?

Masadi mian, unlike your kind, not many lapsed Catholics feel the need to blindly follow ANY particular preacher/reformer. By and large, we like to retain our brains.

Sheesh!!

masadi miaN, what questions of yours have I evaded? True, I dillydallied a lot answering one particular query, because, well, it was fun seeing you peg me the way you did. Most on chowk know my credentials as a lapsed Catholic who has even less respect for various (though by no means not all) branches of theologians. So you`ll understand the perverse pleasure I took in NOT answering a question that was based on a false assumption on your part.

re. ``Don`t try to tell me that imperialism and Christianity have not travelled hand in hand the latter acting as the whore of the former for legitimation purposes because they have and they still make it into the vocabulary of motives of the US elite and used by its military chaplains to harden the morale of those butchering Muslims in the Middle East.

Okay, I won`t. Becasue you have probably already read about the Catholic Church`s opposition (Catholics comprise 70% of Christians) to the Iraq war itself (to say nothing of the additional war crimes) and that Bush`s own Church leaders did not support the same. You`re right, there is no point in trying to convince someone who states that ``they [when he actually means Christianspeak] still make it into the vocabulary of motives of the US elite and used by its military chaplains to harden the morale of those butchering Muslims in the Middle East.``

So let me see now... every two-bit wanna be Islamic terrorist/suicide bomber goes ``Allah-o-Akbar`` before pushing the detonator, killing innocents. Does that render Islam, per se, complicit in terrorism, or, to use your choicer word, a whore to the terrorists` often nihilist designs?

So have you thought about the inaneness of your arguments with regards to the Trinity? Or would you still like me to tear your #128 apart, if only so you don`t have to lie about my evading your questions again?

Masadi, 161

you have evaded, dodged, beat around the bush and tried all kinds of tricks

That`s because he`s too busy scratching his irrepressible itch.

PM writes <<< But now your fine words somehow ring a little hollower, because you seem to have an issue not with the secular West, per se, but with Christianity too. >>>

So far you have evaded, dodged, beat around the bush and tried all kinds of tricks to avoid answering a single question or challenge I have posed. My problem is not with Christianity, an illogical childish theology, my problem is with evangelicals and missionaries who have followed the colonials into Muslim lands and still do {Franklin Graham was getting an orgasm shortly after the Iraq war drooling at how many souls he could save} to convert Muslim, the poorest most needy among them by deceit and material bribery while at the same time showing their `holier than thou` arrogant attitude and disrespecting the prophet based on BS, as they`ve done with other religons including Hinduism etc. Don`t try to tell me that imperialism and Christianity have not travelled hand in hand the latter acting as the whore of the former for legitimation purposes because they have and they still make it into the vocabulary of motives of the US elite and used by its military chaplains to harden the morale of those butchering Muslims in the Middle East.

Verily, there is much merit in masadi`s #158.

Now, masadi mian. Here`s a challenge for you: Accepting that I actually mean the above.

Here`s the part of your post that, however, has little merit:
``In every corner of Rawalpindi is a Church on prime real estate, a remnant of the colonial past and then they cry big tears of not having religous freedoms. Damn hypocrites.``

Maybe it is a remnant of the colonial past. But it doesn`t detract from the argument that religious freedoms are denied minorities. Try opening a new Church to find out!

And what is a purportedly good Muslim doing decrying the fact that the Christians, thanks to their colonial past, have many Churches (even if on prime real estate)? You seem to be proving hamidm right. Of course, I will not say that your own hypocrisy has anything to do with Islam in this instance, since Islam encourages freedom of religious practice (at least for ahle-kitab, as far as I know).

Hopefully, you are just riled up over the spanking you got yesterday, and this is just an aberration on your part. I actually liked much of what you had to say in opposition to the Western Capitalist Steamroller. But now your fine words somehow ring a little hollower, because you seem to have an issue not with the secular West, per se, but with Christianity too.

Verily, there is much merit in masadi`s #158.

Now, masadi mian. Here`s a challenge for you: Accepting that I actually mean the above.

Here`s the part of your post that, however, has little merit:
``In every corner of Rawalpindi is a Church on prime real estate, a remnant of the colonial past and then they cry big tears of not having religous freedoms. Damn hypocrites.``

Maybe it is a remnant of the colonial past. But it doesn`t detract from the argument that religious freedoms are denied minorities. Try opening a new Church to find out!

And what is a purportedly good Muslim doing decrying the fact that the Christians, thanks to their colonial past, have many Churches (even if on prime real estate)? You seem to be proving hamidm right. Of course, I will not say that your own hypocrisy has anything to do with Islam in this instance, since Islam encourages freedom of religious practice (at least for ahle-kitab, as far as I know).

Hopefully, you are just riled up over the spanking you got yesterday, and this is just an aberration on your part. I actually liked much of what you had to say in opposition to the Western Capitalist Steamroller. But now your fine words somehow ring a little hollower, because you seem to have an issue not with the secular West, per se, but with Christianity too.

tahmed writes <<< as an ex-student of a school run by roman catholics i agree with jang. They made a real contribution to Pakistan, >>>

A bunch of retards especially the younger of the Flanagans at St. Mary`s Academy, always thinking that being from the European nations they were somehow God`s gift to humanity and superior to the local whose kids they brutalized by cane and stick and face slaps for no reason. The Pakistani teachers, with their inferiority complexes because of these retards were always better and always taught better and didn`t behave in that arrogant manner with the students. Talk about freedom of religion, these Catholic schools prosletyze Muslims by hook or by crook forcing many to wear badges saying ``I found the truth`` meaning Christ in a Muslim land, imagine a Muslim school forcing Christians to do that here regarding Islam. In every corner of Rawalpindi is a Church on prime real estate, a remnant of the colonial past and then they cry big tears of not having religous freedoms. Damn hypocrites.