Zafar Choudhary September 24, 2006
#27 Posted by harimau on October 2, 2006 8:23:27 pm
Ref Mullah32 #11
[Wake up from your dream world. No one is breaking down the door to come settle in India from Pakistan. And in fact the flow to date has been the other way.]
Let me guess. Of all those Indians wanting to settle down in the Land of the Pure, not one is a Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, Jain, Jew or Animist. They all know what fate awaits them if they live in Pakistan.
However, at least one person from Pakistan who wants to settle down in India, Nawab Din, seems to be of the Muslim persuasion.
Therein, dear Mullah, lies the difference.
And no, you cannot whitewash that difference out, no matter how hard you try.
[Wake up from your dream world. No one is breaking down the door to come settle in India from Pakistan. And in fact the flow to date has been the other way.]
Let me guess. Of all those Indians wanting to settle down in the Land of the Pure, not one is a Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, Jain, Jew or Animist. They all know what fate awaits them if they live in Pakistan.
However, at least one person from Pakistan who wants to settle down in India, Nawab Din, seems to be of the Muslim persuasion.
Therein, dear Mullah, lies the difference.
And no, you cannot whitewash that difference out, no matter how hard you try.
#26 Posted by harish_hyd on September 26, 2006 9:31:38 pm
#25 by strongman_dick
#21 Hyderabad deccan! which part do you hail from? Mehdipatnam, Golconda? where
I`m from the Secunderabad Cantonment area. Alwal, to be precise. Are you from Hyderabad too?
#21 Hyderabad deccan! which part do you hail from? Mehdipatnam, Golconda? where
I`m from the Secunderabad Cantonment area. Alwal, to be precise. Are you from Hyderabad too?
#25 Posted by strongman_dick on September 26, 2006 5:20:48 am
#21 Hyderabad deccan! which part do you hail from? Mehdipatnam, Golconda? where?
#24 Posted by strongman_dick on September 26, 2006 5:19:45 am
#23 becareful! Please take relevant references from Mantolives regarding your would be host!
#23 Posted by tahmed32 on September 26, 2006 4:50:08 am
#22 I shall take you up on the invitation one day i hope. btw, some members of my family (a niece, a brother, another brother and his wife) have already visited india and all had a very pleasant experience. the niece went all over india by herself and said she had no problems at all.
#22 Posted by harish_hyd on September 26, 2006 4:42:40 am
I`m not kidding about showing you around the city though. I mean every word of it :-)
#21 Posted by harish_hyd on September 26, 2006 4:41:42 am
#20 by tahmed32
And the above is exactly the point to harish_hyd as well. Dont confuse these simple facts with fluff and assumptions (``feelings of superiority`` ).
Chachaji, the only one confused here is YOU. Like the French footballer Zidane, you headbutted into what was an innocuous remark about the right of return, which is reciprocal and cuts both ways. If Muslims were displaced from India, so were Hindus from Pakistan, no?
I for example hope to visit India sometime and check out some of the places I have read about.
Are you visiting Hyderabad? If so, please let me know; I can show you around the city, provided you promise not to overstay after your visa has expired :-) (if you`re confused again, I`m kidding)
And the above is exactly the point to harish_hyd as well. Dont confuse these simple facts with fluff and assumptions (``feelings of superiority`` ).
Chachaji, the only one confused here is YOU. Like the French footballer Zidane, you headbutted into what was an innocuous remark about the right of return, which is reciprocal and cuts both ways. If Muslims were displaced from India, so were Hindus from Pakistan, no?
I for example hope to visit India sometime and check out some of the places I have read about.
Are you visiting Hyderabad? If so, please let me know; I can show you around the city, provided you promise not to overstay after your visa has expired :-) (if you`re confused again, I`m kidding)
#20 Posted by tahmed32 on September 26, 2006 4:31:31 am
#18 You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million
good morning, nephew-people. :-)
And the above is exactly the point to harish_hyd as well. Dont confuse these simple facts with fluff and assumptions (``feelings of superiority`` ). I for example hope to visit India sometime and check out some of the places I have read about.
good morning, nephew-people. :-)
And the above is exactly the point to harish_hyd as well. Dont confuse these simple facts with fluff and assumptions (``feelings of superiority`` ). I for example hope to visit India sometime and check out some of the places I have read about.
#19 Posted by harish_hyd on September 26, 2006 1:56:37 am
#18 by strongman_dick
You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million
It is amusing to see Pakis react the way they do, scoffing at any suggestion that there could be something wrong in their own backyard. Perhaps it stems out of a feeling of being superior to the lowly banias. Chachu perhaps is asking himself ``How could a proud Muslim want to disown his motherland to die on the land of the cunning banias?``
You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million
It is amusing to see Pakis react the way they do, scoffing at any suggestion that there could be something wrong in their own backyard. Perhaps it stems out of a feeling of being superior to the lowly banias. Chachu perhaps is asking himself ``How could a proud Muslim want to disown his motherland to die on the land of the cunning banias?``
#18 Posted by strongman_dick on September 26, 2006 1:15:19 am
Re: # 17 Please forgive chacha Tahmed32! He has just been riled up by the Musharuff book ``In the Line of Fire``.
You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million!
You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million!
#17 Posted by harish_hyd on September 25, 2006 10:00:35 pm
#11 by tahmed32
Wake up from your dream world.
Arey Chachu, why are you getting so riled up? As per intelligence accounts, about 20-30 Paki fans who came to watch Pakistan play India during the last India-Pakistan Cricket series in India are yet to go back home. In my home city of Hyderabad, I personally have come across cases where Pakis visiting relatives have flatly refused to go back, even at the risk of arrest and forced deportation.
No one is breaking down the door to come settle in India from Pakistan. And in fact the flow to date has been the other way.
Sure..with the ever increasing flow of Jihadis crossing the LoC and those illegally staying back long after their visas have expired, one would have to concur with your impeccable opinion.
Wake up from your dream world.
Arey Chachu, why are you getting so riled up? As per intelligence accounts, about 20-30 Paki fans who came to watch Pakistan play India during the last India-Pakistan Cricket series in India are yet to go back home. In my home city of Hyderabad, I personally have come across cases where Pakis visiting relatives have flatly refused to go back, even at the risk of arrest and forced deportation.
No one is breaking down the door to come settle in India from Pakistan. And in fact the flow to date has been the other way.
Sure..with the ever increasing flow of Jihadis crossing the LoC and those illegally staying back long after their visas have expired, one would have to concur with your impeccable opinion.
#16 Posted by anil on September 25, 2006 1:54:33 pm
Zafar:
If there is anything that I can do to help Nawab Din win his wish.
Anil
If there is anything that I can do to help Nawab Din win his wish.
Anil
#15 Posted by VRV on September 25, 2006 1:05:27 pm
I don`t think that this is abt the resumption of India-Pakistan detente. It`s abt the story of an old man who was born in his Kashmiri kingdom under British India but migrated to the El Dorado of Indian Muslims. However he wud like to die in his ancestral village now. There`s nothing wrong abt it Dotty. Laws we make are based on our robust common sense.
Though I live in a far-off country and have travelled to many countries, my village haunts me. Though my village had no tall buildings, no nice roads, nor romantic promenades, the smell of the village, old aquintances, landmarks of my village comes to mind all the time. Even Bahadur Shah Zafar longed for his Dehli. Though he was a Badshah, he too was a human being. In fact his mortal remains must be brought to Dehli and buried in Lal Qila. This has a lot of sentimental value and priceless symbolism (though I dont believe in spirts and all that stuff). Btw, India`s maintaining the mazar of the Badshah at Rangoon to date.
The old centurion needs his ancestral village at this time of his life. Since Kashmir is an unsettled issue, living on any side of LoC shudn`t be a problme to the old man.
Hope people like Mr. Ahmed wud be less combative.
Though I live in a far-off country and have travelled to many countries, my village haunts me. Though my village had no tall buildings, no nice roads, nor romantic promenades, the smell of the village, old aquintances, landmarks of my village comes to mind all the time. Even Bahadur Shah Zafar longed for his Dehli. Though he was a Badshah, he too was a human being. In fact his mortal remains must be brought to Dehli and buried in Lal Qila. This has a lot of sentimental value and priceless symbolism (though I dont believe in spirts and all that stuff). Btw, India`s maintaining the mazar of the Badshah at Rangoon to date.
The old centurion needs his ancestral village at this time of his life. Since Kashmir is an unsettled issue, living on any side of LoC shudn`t be a problme to the old man.
Hope people like Mr. Ahmed wud be less combative.
#14 Posted by wiseguyin on September 25, 2006 11:31:43 am
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#13 Posted by khamkhwa on September 25, 2006 8:06:37 am
kitna badnaseeb tha Zafar, waqt-e-marg do ghaz jageh na mili apne ku-e-yaar mein
... i wonder why people indulge into things they know othing about...and are lazy enough not to research...
the correct verse is:
kitna hai bud naseeb Zafar dafn ke liye
do gaz zameen bhi na mili ku-e-yar meiN
..as dotty mentioned, states are afraid of setting a new precedence that can come back to haunt them later...therefore, the old man remains in the limbo he has been for so many years...sad but true.
... i wonder why people indulge into things they know othing about...and are lazy enough not to research...
the correct verse is:
kitna hai bud naseeb Zafar dafn ke liye
do gaz zameen bhi na mili ku-e-yar meiN
..as dotty mentioned, states are afraid of setting a new precedence that can come back to haunt them later...therefore, the old man remains in the limbo he has been for so many years...sad but true.
#12 Posted by tahmed32 on September 25, 2006 6:43:32 am
#10 babaji is just being difficult. :-) But if someone wants to die in his place of birth - I think that shouldnt be a problem. The article does not say how babaji proposes to live in India - does he have relatives willing to take him in? or funds to live by himself?
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