A cliché from Nawab Din’s Story

Ref Mullah32 #11

[Wake up from your dream world. No one is breaking down the door to come settle in India from Pakistan. And in fact the flow to date has been the other way.]

Let me guess. Of all those Indians wanting to settle down in the Land of the Pure, not one is a Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, Jain, Jew or Animist. They all know what fate awaits them if they live in Pakistan.

However, at least one person from Pakistan who wants to settle down in India, Nawab Din, seems to be of the Muslim persuasion.

Therein, dear Mullah, lies the difference.

And no, you cannot whitewash that difference out, no matter how hard you try.

#25 by strongman_dick

#21 Hyderabad deccan! which part do you hail from? Mehdipatnam, Golconda? where

I`m from the Secunderabad Cantonment area. Alwal, to be precise. Are you from Hyderabad too?

#21 Hyderabad deccan! which part do you hail from? Mehdipatnam, Golconda? where?

#23 becareful! Please take relevant references from Mantolives regarding your would be host!

#22 I shall take you up on the invitation one day i hope. btw, some members of my family (a niece, a brother, another brother and his wife) have already visited india and all had a very pleasant experience. the niece went all over india by herself and said she had no problems at all.

I`m not kidding about showing you around the city though. I mean every word of it :-)

#20 by tahmed32

And the above is exactly the point to harish_hyd as well. Dont confuse these simple facts with fluff and assumptions (``feelings of superiority`` ).

Chachaji, the only one confused here is YOU. Like the French footballer Zidane, you headbutted into what was an innocuous remark about the right of return, which is reciprocal and cuts both ways. If Muslims were displaced from India, so were Hindus from Pakistan, no?

I for example hope to visit India sometime and check out some of the places I have read about.

Are you visiting Hyderabad? If so, please let me know; I can show you around the city, provided you promise not to overstay after your visa has expired :-) (if you`re confused again, I`m kidding)

#18 You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million

good morning, nephew-people. :-)

And the above is exactly the point to harish_hyd as well. Dont confuse these simple facts with fluff and assumptions (``feelings of superiority`` ). I for example hope to visit India sometime and check out some of the places I have read about.

#18 by strongman_dick

You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million

It is amusing to see Pakis react the way they do, scoffing at any suggestion that there could be something wrong in their own backyard. Perhaps it stems out of a feeling of being superior to the lowly banias. Chachu perhaps is asking himself ``How could a proud Muslim want to disown his motherland to die on the land of the cunning banias?``

Re: # 17 Please forgive chacha Tahmed32! He has just been riled up by the Musharuff book ``In the Line of Fire``.

You examples are not good enuf - what is 20-30 people in a population of 160Million!

#11 by tahmed32

Wake up from your dream world.

Arey Chachu, why are you getting so riled up? As per intelligence accounts, about 20-30 Paki fans who came to watch Pakistan play India during the last India-Pakistan Cricket series in India are yet to go back home. In my home city of Hyderabad, I personally have come across cases where Pakis visiting relatives have flatly refused to go back, even at the risk of arrest and forced deportation.

No one is breaking down the door to come settle in India from Pakistan. And in fact the flow to date has been the other way.

Sure..with the ever increasing flow of Jihadis crossing the LoC and those illegally staying back long after their visas have expired, one would have to concur with your impeccable opinion.

Zafar:

If there is anything that I can do to help Nawab Din win his wish.

Anil

I don`t think that this is abt the resumption of India-Pakistan detente. It`s abt the story of an old man who was born in his Kashmiri kingdom under British India but migrated to the El Dorado of Indian Muslims. However he wud like to die in his ancestral village now. There`s nothing wrong abt it Dotty. Laws we make are based on our robust common sense.

Though I live in a far-off country and have travelled to many countries, my village haunts me. Though my village had no tall buildings, no nice roads, nor romantic promenades, the smell of the village, old aquintances, landmarks of my village comes to mind all the time. Even Bahadur Shah Zafar longed for his Dehli. Though he was a Badshah, he too was a human being. In fact his mortal remains must be brought to Dehli and buried in Lal Qila. This has a lot of sentimental value and priceless symbolism (though I dont believe in spirts and all that stuff). Btw, India`s maintaining the mazar of the Badshah at Rangoon to date.

The old centurion needs his ancestral village at this time of his life. Since Kashmir is an unsettled issue, living on any side of LoC shudn`t be a problme to the old man.

Hope people like Mr. Ahmed wud be less combative.

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kitna badnaseeb tha Zafar, waqt-e-marg do ghaz jageh na mili apne ku-e-yaar mein

... i wonder why people indulge into things they know othing about...and are lazy enough not to research...

the correct verse is:

kitna hai bud naseeb Zafar dafn ke liye
do gaz zameen bhi na mili ku-e-yar meiN

..as dotty mentioned, states are afraid of setting a new precedence that can come back to haunt them later...therefore, the old man remains in the limbo he has been for so many years...sad but true.

#10 babaji is just being difficult. :-) But if someone wants to die in his place of birth - I think that shouldnt be a problem. The article does not say how babaji proposes to live in India - does he have relatives willing to take him in? or funds to live by himself?

#7 ``every prodigal son wanting to return home.``

Wake up from your dream world. No one is breaking down the door to come settle in India from Pakistan. And in fact the flow to date has been the other way.

Bechara Baba ji,

I hope his wish is granted and India lets him stay in his pinD. I dont think this case will have any implications as this guy i stoo old and he is not claiming property or anything, just his right to live the last few years of his life there. It would be a different story if my dad went to India and refused to come back and asked for his land/house back. But this guys way too old for any punga like that.

Be nice to him Indians and help him!

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zafar sahib
thanks for highlighting this issue.
there are thousands of people from rajouri in mirpur and kotli, infact one of our neighbour was from kot bainka, i believe before the militancy some of them used to visit their relatives by crossing the loc.

no I do not mean that. The issue is one of right of return to ones property as well.

Once a precedence is set, the law runs its natural course. And as things stand he could be breaking the law.

Re: # 6

I don`t think Pakistan will object if someone of no use to it voluntary renounces his citizenship. And `right of return` is too loaded a term here. This is a simple case of someone wanting to die in his homeland. No need to regularize it and open the floodgates to every prodigal son wanting to return home.

#5 where will it end? That is the questin you must answer first. Would Pakistan be happy with it? Implications of the decision are important. Right of return could be set in stone then and it would be one sided?

#4

Precedence is the issue here. It will open the flood gates and will there be reciprocation?

Bhai Dotty, every good (or for that matter bad) thing has a start somewhere. And in humanitarian matters, why should we seek reciprocation?

somehow i doubt if it will happen (even if we take VRV`s advice in #3)

Precedence is the issue here. It will open the flood gates and will there be reciprocation? What are its implications?

Mr. Chowdhary and all concerned persons (Harish Included),

I think we shud petition the President and Prime Minister of India and as many MPs as possible to let the centurion to live in the place of his birth.

As the author has rightly pointed out that a man as old as 107 cant do any harm to anybody.

If the last morsel of humanity is gone from us, then we are human beings at all.

Pl petition all the concerned.

Zafar bhai,

If all else fails, you should perhaps write to the President of India. I`m sure he, being a man of great compassion, will do something. If there is anything people like me can do to help, please let me know.

India should honour Nawab Din for spurning the land of pure and coming back to India to rest in peace for ever...........