Musharraf Spilling the Beans—Why Now?

read <<< is cringing and crawling to find the ONLY country >>>

as is cringing and crawling to find the only county (Queens)

Anil writes in #594 <<< According to him there`s no need for any other message or messenger. >>>>

You certainly don`t need to define my point of view. Hamid is quite dumb but he is not so dumb as to not understand what I believe. He perverts it deliberately because as far as argumentation goes facts are not on his side, so he has to invent labels. You on the other hand are even more pathetic than he is. You use your stereotype of Islam and force it on me without understanding a thing based on raw hate for Islam and Muslims.

tahmed writes <<< masadi: do you actually believe what you wrote in #586? >>

This response tells us that he has no answer to rebut what I wrote, which was quite obvious from his earlier post where he ignores the FACT that poverty rates for African Americans are THREE times those for whites in the US and is cringing and crawling to find the ONLY country, where poor whites live (the average income there is much lower for whites than the national average) to show that blacks in that country have a higher average income, when nationally they have a much lower income and are disproportionaltey affected by poverty. We don`t expect truth, fact or sincerity from supporters of tyrants and barbarians, they lie shamelessly like tahmed, in the open for all to see. They are merely following their masters who lie shamelessly to destroy life and ecology.

It is really gratifying to note that only non-muslims & the secularoons, liberaloons, munaafiquoons, murtadoons, and the two mirzaoons are opposing Mr. Masadi.

Mr.Masadi! you are doing a great job..keep it up. Muslims support you, a few non-muslims here hate your guts. Keep them on a long leash, but do not let them loose.

and now let us rejoice about this great news from Turkey, which the secularoons keep hoodwinking us about.

The world is changing, and the westoxicated scum would not be finding reprieve or asylum anywhere.

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Anti-Americanism on the rise in Turkey

October 2, 2006
BY JOEL SPRAYREGEN
Concerns expressed last week by Turkish army commanders that their country`s democracy is threatened underscore the importance of today`s White House meeting between President Bush and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Those of us who have advocated strong Turkish-U.S. relations understand that Turkey`s secular-democratic identity established it as a unique bridge between Mideast and West.

Since the ascension of Erdogan`s AKP party to power, friends of Turkey have been concerned about erosion of secularism and Turkey`s relations with the West. For the first time in the history of the Turkish Republic, officials of the governing party employ popular culture as a platform to instigate anti-Americanism; the sentiment is spreading beyond the extremist fringe.

The viciousness of defamation of the United States in media close to AKP is extreme, e.g., U.S. operations in Fallujah were called ``genocide,`` a word toward which Turks are historically sensitive.

Under previous governments, a majority of Turks expressed favorable views about the United States. A recent poll ranks the United States as chief enemy of Turkey; another shows Turks feel twice as warmly inclined toward Iran as toward America.

Turkey has adopted the role of defending Islam against the West, defending Iran -- Turkey`s traditional adversary -- against concerns about nuclear proliferation. Erdogan met with the ``military`` leader of Hamas in opposition to European and American denunciation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Turkey`s president and foreign minister visit Syria, a country promoting international terrorism.

AKP`s purposeful erosion of Turkey`s secular and pro-western orientation is at severe variance with traditions established by Kemal Ataturk, founder of the Turkish Republic. Turkey`s armed forces have played a unique role as defenders of those traditions.

European Union pressures have succeeded for several years in quieting Turkish generals. But last week, Land Forces Commander Gen. Iker Basbug acknowledged publicly a serious threat from an ``Islamist presence`` endangering Ataturk`s traditions. Significantly, his remarks were circulated in the United States by the Turkish Industrialists Association. A Turkish columnist recalled last week Erdogan`s remarks that democracy is merely an instrument to establish Islamism.

Turkey has legitimate concerns about terrorism by the Kurdish PKK emanating from northern Iraq; President Bush should constructively address these concerns.

But AKP`s anti-Americanism on the home front corrosively harms American-Turkish co-operation. In June, addressing an Istanbul symposium on security in the Black Sea region, I pointed out that in 1990, Turkey was America`s only regional friend, whereas today it is the least friendly country.

AKP will probably remain in power after Turkey goes to the polls next November. Soner Cagaptay, a Turkish policy expert, has written, ``AKP`s conundrum is that it is not supported by a majority of Turks [and it] has used a populist foreign policy that bashes the West to boost its domestic standing.``

The president should be urged to use Erdogan`s visit to stress American priorities:

• • While Turkey has a free and independent press and the United States opposes censorship, Erdogan should use his moral authority to denounce anti-Americanism as well as the related phenomena of anti-Westernism, anti-Catholicism and anti-Semitism.

• • No democratic country should tarnish itself by association with Hamas, whose charter seeks destruction of another country. Turkey should treat Hamas as it wants the United States to treat the PKK.

• • While Turkey has security concerns owing to its location in a dangerous region, long-term security lies with Bush`s calls for openness, freedom and liberty in the region. Turkey`s willingness to send troops to Lebanon is a positive step, penance, perhaps, for failure to support the United States in Iraq in 2003. But it must be understood that the mission is to fulfill U.N. Resolution 1701, preventing rearming of Hezbollah.

Joel Sprayregen, a Chicago lawyer who frequently visits Turkey, is a director of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, a think tank that works for the security of the United States and its democratic allies.

anil #594 dont try to find reasons to defame the Quran. what does masadi`s stupidity have to do with the Quran?? i dont see any pakistani saying that arjun`s hatreds stem from the bhagvad gita.

Re: # 582

Hamidm Sahib:

Until Massaddi Mian believes your message is moe powerful than the message from the Koran, he would not listen to you. He will only argue with you. He belives there is only message that is contained a book, and there is only messenger. According to him there`s no need for any other message or messenger.

Anil

Re: # 592. Oh Bhai, Taliban are nothing but a Pakistani version of Shiv Sena. You worry about your extremists and we`ll take care of ours.

Namaste, Salaams.

After getting it`s ass kicked by the Indian army in Kargil - and losing 2700 paki armymen in the process - the paki army now suffers another glorious defeat to the taliban...has the paki army ever won a war except against it`s own government?


Taliban opens office at Pakistani bus stop
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent
30sep06

IN a new embarrassment for peripatetic Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, Taliban officials have opened an office in the capital of Pakistan`s North Waziristan region, where Osama bin Laden is believed to have his headquarters.

The office, in Miramshah`s main bus station, is said to be operating with the complicity of Pakistani authorities.

And Taliban office workers have organised a pamphlet drop calling on locals to contact them on all matters relating to law and order.

Yesterday`s disclosure of the office`s opening came as General Musharraf had talks in London with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and angrily rejected new charges of complicity between the principal Pakistani intelligence organisation, the Inter-Services Intelligence, and the Taliban and al-Qa`ida.

It also followed a frosty encounter between him and Afghan President Hamid Karzai, brokered by US President George W. Bush at the White House.

After their meeting, the three presidents appeared at a press conference and, while Mr Bush shook hands with each of his guests, General Musharraf and Mr Karzai did not even exchange glances, let alone shake hands.

On Thursday night, South Asia was alive with accounts of what was described as ``an extremely frosty`` encounter in Washington, during which Mr Karzai hammered home his conviction that Islamabad was not doing enough to deal with Taliban and al-Qa`ida activity within its territory, while General Musharraf declared it was doing everything that could reasonably be expected of it.

The Pakistani President insists that beyond whingeing about his country, all that neighbouring Afghanistan is doing is providing out-of-date information to Islamabad about the alleged location of Taliban and al-Qa`ida leaders in Pakistan. Mr Karzai has countered by accusing Pakistan of ``training a snake that can also bite the trainer``.

He insists that Pakistan`s tolerance of pro-Taliban militants is contributing massively to Afghanistan`s instability and the increasingly difficult challenge being confronted by NATO-led forces in his country -- including those from Australia -- battling the Taliban forces.

He has said that co-operating with terrorists is like ``trying to train a snake against somebody else. You cannot train a snake. It will come and bite you``.

Leading Pakistani newspaper Dawn said the Taliban office in Miramshah, headquarters of the North Waziristan Agency, was there for ``curbing crimes and antisocial activities`` in the area.

The newspaper said announcements were made and pamphlets distributed in the town asking residents to co-operate with the Taliban in keeping peace in the agency, where bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are believed to have their operational base.

Apart from the public emergence of an organisation that is doing battle with -- and killing -- NATO forces across the border in Afghanistan, Dawn also reported that Pakistani military authorities have returned AK-47 assault rifles, books and other materials belonging to a seminary owned by Afghan jihadi commander Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani.

Officials said security forces had raided the seminary a few months ago and seized arms and equipment as part of a crackdown on militants.

But under Pakistan`s controversial September 5 peace accord between the Government and the Taliban, it was agreed that the Government and militants would return weapons and other equipment taken during army action.

So the jihadi commander has got his guns and his books back, thanks to the Pakistani army.

Re: # 567 by zeemax on October 4, 2006 11:39pm PT

Dear Zeemax:

Do you really think that those terrorists in Afghanistan have won? They are the ones who call themselves as fighters and can not fight like a man. Yet, they have cuased mayhem and destruction in that God-forsaken country, ever since Shah Zahir Shah was toppled. Inviting Arabs amongst their fold should show to some of us, where is the Pushtoon Bahaduri gone? Where is the Persian manliness?

The thugs and murderers from the Arab world have shown up and have taken the poor folks of Afghanistan for a ride, and you send them ``qurbani-ki-khalain`` and you consider this winning? eh!

Zeemax, you must get your values checked.

Respectfully submitted,

Dear All:

I just can not resist this amount of fun you guys are having. Abu-musab-al-vibrating-mad-mullah-o-crat-al-masadi is just getting tormented by the enlightened muslims of this chowk. And for the sake of future fun, we must just let this one rest, because there will be other sites where we can humiliate this poor tormented soul.

As most of us have noticed, Abu-musab-al-vibrating-mad-mullah-o-crat-al-masadi has stopped quoting from the elite mystery novel that he started of with. And now he has to defend his cheese supplies that he gets from the US tax payers. What is this world coming to? The rat infested mind of Abu-musab-al-vibrating-mad-mullah-o-crat-al-masadi can no longer hide in his cave with his sheep and his membership in the jihadi outfit of Hizb-ur-Tahrir, or some such ``qurbani-ki-khalain`` outfit of the dark side of this world.

Respectfully submitted,

further to #588: (i mean ignoring the insults - which in your case is excusable since that merely reflects the paindoo household you were obviously raised in where every sentence is laced with three abuses).

masadi: do you actually believe what you wrote in #586?

Read ``recently the senate Bush`s plan`` as recently the senate approved Bush`s plan...

Tahmed writes in #584 <<< 4. Basic rights guaranteed to all inhabitants - citizen or not, legal or not - through the first 10 amendments, and upheld and strengthened over two centuries. >>

More BS. Recently the Senate Bush`s plan to suspend habeas corpus to all non citizens, legal or not, where African Americans are singled out by race for prosecution and harsher punishment (over a third of the young ones among men have been through the system), where the amount of wealth you command determines the quality of justice you will get, where the lies of those in power determine which country`s inhabitants will live or die, such a place has no basic rights guaranteed to anyone. Criminals like tahmed will support this system regardless of its barbarism, there is nothing new in that, we all recognize these bey ghairat worshippers of the tyrants, and when the people who are being brutalized by this system get what rightfully belongs to them, they will deal with these with these appeasers of inhumanity as is most fitting their conduct.

Let me quoe for the benefit of Bhand Maximus tahmed, from the US census bureau aggregate numbers for 2005:

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Poverty rates remained statistically unchanged for blacks (24.9 percent) and Hispanics (21.8 percent). The poverty rate decreased for non-Hispanic whites (8.3 percent in 2005, down from 8.7 percent in 2004) and increased for Asians (11.1 percent in 2005, up from 9.8 percent in 2004).

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now when the poverty rate for black and hispanics country wide (not Queens which is a deliberate manipulation given segregation, the average income for whites would be lower because the poorest live there, while richer African Americans are segregated out of white neighbourhoods- that is what makes this an exception among ALL counties in the US- the exception cannot be taken as indicator of the general trend) is THREE times that for the whites, those according to official government data, this criminal tahmed says there is no difference. For Asians the poverty rates are higher nationwide compared to whites, why the median income is higher for them is because most work in professional higher paying jobs (they didnt work themselves up, they immigrated with the qualifications) or are business owners and have a smaller population, unlike the average income for whites which gets diluted because of larger numbers making lower wages.

I know this bhand will go through all kinds of trouble to prove that there is equality of opportunity and life chances in America- and will give the example of colin powell- as if he`s dealing with illiterates, the facts remain the the US is a highly segregated, highly unequal society. When 1% of the population commands greater wealth (almost all of them white except for the one or two names here n there) than 99% of the rest, when poverty is concentrated by race and gender- that society can never be considered equal in relegating opportunity or life chances.

#583 masadi: more facts to torment you:

1. the average income of blacks in Queens NY is greater than of whites in that county. reason: large number of caribbean immigrants who did what......er...

2. ....Colin Powell did. That is, go for the great opportunities that US society provides to those willing to do honest, hard work. Rather than eat government cheese and have pure 200 proof whines to drink.

3. Average Asian income (per 2004 census). Highest among all racial groups (Asian household income=$57,518 vs White household income=$48,977). Now guess how that happened?? (and dont tell me it is due to Asian superior brains - since those same superior brains in the middle east are mopping floors and washing cars and are promptly rounded up and sent back when the arabs see them getting a bit uppity).

4. Basic rights guaranteed to all inhabitants - citizen or not, legal or not - through the first 10 amendments, and upheld and strengthened over two centuries. (And this is even after taking into account the Bush mismanagement in post-9/11.) Dont try that with Osama, btw. He wouldnt understand this mumbo jumbo of human dignity and basic rights.

But dont let me detract you from your whining and your cheese dining. :-)

hamidm writes <<< ..... two names to debunk your stupidity :

indra nooyi (female indian) - president and ceo of pepsico
fred hassan (male paki) - chairman of the board and ceo of schering-plough >>>

Two names don`t debunk anything when aggregate data exists showing the wide disparity between hispanics/African Americans in the US and between the developing and the developed world. One has to be extremely dumb (as you are) to conclude from these two names that there is life chances are equal all across the world given ``hard work``. These examples are similar to your example of the sushi restaurant, equally dumb and equally meaningless.