The General and Kargil

zee, i am as serious as anyone here. i am just trying to understand the paki stand (as explained by general in the book) that kargil was pakistans (armies) ``finest hour``. guys like you seem to be entrenched in the elite structure of pakistan so are able to make us understand it thats where i am coming from.

your #164 is something you can take-up with harish etc..i dont have anything to offer.

#179 by jang

I honestly answered your question and now you`re not being serious.

If you`ld like to participate, can you kindly answer the 3 questions in my #164? One by one so I`m clear of your arguments. Thanks.

#178 so why could not US govt lean on indian..especially since they were losing so badly?

IMO indians were not planning at all on sending columns across LOC..they had a good-enough handle on the infiltration situation after taking heavy personnel casualties. they were able to bomb position using air-force. they were content to use air-force and navy (untill winter) against a diplomatically isolated pakistan and this would have made paki armed forces look real bad, losing face in front of paki awam..with only option that of tacical nukes not available in absence of nice WW2 type columns of tanks and camp-followers nowhere in sight the army panicked and made sharif accept the short-sword.

#175 by jang

Ok Jang. Let`s be serious. It`s not about Pak scenario of looking good. It`s the truth which I wrote. Now you ask:

....they backed down from kargil under a ``heels`` order from bubba...

That`s correct. Clinton was real mad and brought Pak army to a halt, while assuring Nawaz of safety. You might recall that unprecedented statement by Clinton himself after Shahbaz Sharif had visited subsequent to Nawaz`s return, that `No unconstitutional action against the elected Pak governement will be acceptable to US.` Shahbaz had gone with that concern. But that didn`t help. Did it?

.........the ``treat`` being a meeting in the white-house ending hitherto diplomatic shunning of pakistan.....

I don`t know what you mean by `treat`. But it was clear US would not support a Pak escalation of Kargil. Pak was under huge sanctions at the time but trade was still going on, with US the chief trading partner. A full boycott would have meant total isolation. I suspect that was threatened.

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tahmed,

The ugly_macaca is a good for nothing low-social stratum lowly gofur macaca who pretends to be a code-coolie. He isn`t even that. I discovered as much with his copy/paste attempt at crashing Chowk on UP which was easily caught and the macaca duly kicked out.

zeemax,
so the way i see is in the best paki scenario (meaning pakis looking good) they backed down from kargil under a ``heels`` order from bubba, the ``treat`` being a meeting in the white-house ending hitherto diplomatic shunning of pakistan, is that what you are arguing? pls confirm, thanks.

Ok hideous_macaca ran away to my #164

Maybe ugly_macaca can answer the 3 questions .. no?

#171 I just asked hideously ugly macaca arjun for help. but i am afraid he doesnt help paki macaca cab drivers like me. :-(

LoL .... tahmed ... try once more ... LoL .. welcome to the macaca bashing club ....

#169 by tahmed32

LoL .. thanks for trying but copy/paste won`t work .. you`ll have to ask ugly_macaca how to get it right ... like this:

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goddam macaca picture!!!!!!! third try!!!!!

arjun macaca: how do i get this picture aligned without the dots. or you dont provide IT support to paki macacas like me??


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I messed up the picture below. sorry, zeemax. dont kill me please. here is the corrected version (i hope).

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i see master arjun is joining in the Zeemax-Harish Morning Ritual.

#166 ranjit: you have to admit this picture of a macaca zeemax came up with is cool. i am not saying what the nationality of this macaca of course is. :-)

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Re:zeemax

Yaar, dont you get tired of this? Going on and on about some idiotic conflict, calling each other names.

You are most likely a Punjabi guy. I am a hindu of Sindhi origin from Delhi. How much difference do we have?

Take it easy!!