Hijacking of Islam

Muslim stabs wife when daughter becomes Christian in Australia ``If children fail, the mother is at fault and will bear the brunt of the blam``


A devout Muslim woman was attacked and stabbed to death, allegedly by her husband, after their 17-year-old daughter announced she was embracing Christianity, according to police and news reports.

Officials say Dr. Muhammad Hussain, 48, remained in critical condition in the Gold Coast Hospital with knife wounds, under police guard, as authorities investigated the death from stabbing injuries of his wife, Yasmine, 41.

According to Assist News Service, neighbors of the Australian family reported ``blood curdling`` and ``terrifying`` screams, along with cries of ``Help me, help me, they`re trying to kill me,`` on Monday night. Shortly after, the report said, Kaihana Hussain fled from the family`s apartment, dressed in underwear because her clothes had been torn off, with blood splattered over her scratched and cut body.

Police found the mother inside the apartment, dead, and the father seriously hurt. It was not immediately clear how the father was also stabbed.

``From what we understand the daughter decided to tell her father of her radical plan to convert to Christianity which, in the eyes of most Muslims, is totally unacceptable and to be honest, sadly, many would react as he has done,`` a Muslim source told ``The Gold Coast Bulletin.``

``It is the Islamic way that if a son or daughter does or plans to do something that is unacceptable or wrong for a Muslim then it is the mother who is automatically at fault and will bear the brunt of the blame,`` the source said.

The mother and daughter apparently had arrived in the popular East Australia region only a few days earlier. The doctor apparently had been there for several weeks, establishing his medical practice.

Elizabeth Kendal, of the World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission, told ASSIST that the tragedy highlights ``the great and urgent need for rigorous, open debate on what Western religious liberty means for Muslim immigrants, and what Islam`s rejection of apostasy means for Christians in terms of convert care.``

Reports said Hussain finished his medical training in Bangladesh in 1982 and in 2001 finished a masters in family medicine program in Australia. The family settled earlier in Adelaide, where the daughter attended a local nondenominational Christian school.

Police indicated the religious dispute was being reviewed, but they couldn`t confirm the details. Neighbors, however, supported that account.

Neighbor Caitlin Dalton told The Australian that many people heard the screams as the girl fled the luxury apartment.

She told the neighbors she had wanted to ``convert from the Islam religion … and obviously her father didn`t handle it very well,`` Dalton said.

A police detective-inspector said the investigation would determine if charges will be filed.

``This matter may end up in a criminal trial or may end up in a coroner`s court. Before we know the full facts, I`m not willing to speculate,`` he said.

Officials at Pembroke school in Adelaide, where the teen had attended, said the school is nondenominational and students are encouraged ``to seek their own spiritual journeys.``

Students are not required to participate in Christian services, officials said.

Pembroke principal Malcolm Lamb released a statement explaining the school`s practice.

``In the case of Islamic students the school is in principle and in practice very supportive of students observing religious customs, such as wearing the Hijab – this has happened in the past, observing fasting and the need for prayer rooms,`` Lamb said.

The Quran does instruct the faithful to kill those who leave the faith but Muslim leaders have said that is not to be taken literally.

Zahraj:229
thanks.
another one for his pleasure reading

it really belongs here:

October 14, 2006 8:25pm PT


4 brothers arrested for throwing mom on dad`s funeral pyre

Associated Press
NEW DELHI — Indian police have arrested four brothers for allegedly throwing their 95-year-old mother onto their father`s funeral pyre, in accordance with an old but illegal Hindu custom that persists in rural pockets of India, media reports said Friday.

The incident took place Wednesday evening in the village of Baniyani in the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, the Press Trust of India news agency reported.

The brothers and villagers initially said the woman, Kuria Devi, climbed into the flames by herself, committing sati, as the ritual suicide is known. Sati has been banned for nearly two centuries.

However police investigating the death said she was too old and frail to have clambered up alone.
and this is the video for you arjun-m Saj rahee kaisee teri amma sunehri gotay meiN.
Those who have not watched it or heard it would never forget it. Not scary; its belly-aching FUNNY!

Re: # 209

urstruly

YAAR truly you have done well to debunk QADIANI Mazhab. But I am sorry to say that you tried to do all this on mere technical grounds which raise many questions. For instance:

1. You say the last masjid did not literally mean the last one as many mosques were raised after that. My question is why the prophet got a mosque raised in his life destroyed by declaring to be harmful to the unity of the believers. Are not the Mullah mosques doing the same thing today?



2. What about the Hadees whereby the entire face of earth has been declared as a mosque by Allah for the Muslims? Does it not put an end to the `Dhanda` of hate-preaching at the Mullah mosque?

3. Why did you downgrade `Qibla - e -Awal` just to win a point against Qadiani?

4. Why to take cover behind technicalities and not say any thing about merit? As it is, will you accept Mirza as prophet simply if it is proved technically that the last prophet does not mean literally the last one but the greatest one, as they say in a QAWALI: ``Shahe Madina, Yasrab ke wali; Saare nabi tere dar ke sawaali``.

regards

Arjun - This is for your pleasure reading.

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New charges possible in baby beating
Saturday, October 14, 2006

By KIBRET MARKOS
STAFF WRITER


An Upper Saddle River nanny caught brutalizing a 6-month-old girl on videotape could face more serious charges once authorities review all of the medical reports, a Bergen County prosecutor said Friday.

Identified only as P.S., the girl remained at Hackensack University Medical Center, where doctors Friday were trying to determine exactly how much damage was done when 51-year-old Manjula Patel of Rochelle Park slapped and shook her, then threw her on a hardwood floor and stomped and kicked her, said Assistant Bergen County Prosecutor Liliana Silebi.

Patel said very little when she was brought to Superior Court in Hackensack, where she was formally charged with aggravated assault and child endangerment, both second-degree counts that carry up to 10 years in prison each upon conviction. She remained held on $200,000 bail at the Bergen County Jail on Friday.

Silebi didn`t say what other charges could follow.

``The [medical] testing is still ongoing, and depending on what those results are in the next couple of days, there may be additional charges,`` she said.

Patel, an Indian national, has been in the United States since June. The Upper Saddle River family hired her through a newspaper ad six weeks ago after interviewing her, Silebi said. She declined to comment on whether they had done any background check.

Silebi said the family left a video camera running on a table in their living room Wednesday. After returning home and viewing the video, they called an ambulance.

The incident renewed debate over ``nanny cams,`` with distributors touting their use and nanny hiring agencies insisting they expose a greater need.

``I think it`s an absolute stupidity,`` said Bob Mark of America`s Nannies, a Paramus placement agency. ``People get cameras, and they think that will excuse their negligence and failure to properly screen their nannies.``

Mark said he wondered why the family would hire an immigrant ``who just got off the boat,`` instead of finding a nanny with experience and solid references.

``These are mistakes that people make over and over again,`` he said. ``They cheap out and hire a complete stranger to save a few bucks. Yes, such nannies are to blame for abusing children, but the family is also to blame for giving them the opportunity.``

Silebi, meanwhile, said the Upper Saddle River case should be a warning to other parents hiring nannies.

``This is an example of what can happen when you take a nanny into your house,`` she said. ``It`s very important to do a background check.``

Andrea Flagg, a career nanny and president of the Nanny Alliance of New York and New Jersey, agreed that proper screening -- rather than ``nanny camming`` -- is the best way to avoid abusive caretakers.

Flagg said she was once ``nanny-cammed`` by a family she worked for six years ago.

``I felt very self-conscious,`` she said. ``I felt like I was being stalked.``

Rhyder McClure, president of The New York Nanny Cam Co., disagreed.

``Are you going to tell me that it`s OK not to have a camera when you leave the most precious thing you have -- which is your child -- in the hands of a stranger?`` said McClure, whose company distributes cameras in the metropolitan area. ``Any parent in this day and age who doesn`t have a nanny cam is bordering on irresponsibility.``

Christy Ann Bozanian, owner of Be Our Nanny, a placement and referral agency in Leonia, incorporated both views.

``There is never too much protection you can give to your child,`` she said. ``We would want the parents to take every step possible under the law to protect their children.``

Nanny cams have become increasingly popular in recent years. Parks Associates, a market research firm focusing on digital home devices, estimated that nearly 40 percent of households with children in 2004 have shown interest in such products.

In 2006 alone, the firm estimates, close to 1.2 million homes nationwide will have installed wireless cameras, said Bill Ablondi, director of home systems at the Dallas-based firm.

Nanny cams have helped solve several child-abuse cases, said Bergen County Prosecutor John L. Molinelli. But that doesn`t mean parents should rely solely on them, he warned.

``Parents are usually right when they feel that something is wrong [with a nanny],`` Molinelli said.

Instead of shopping for a nanny cam, the prosecutor said, they should call police at that point.

``Don`t wait for the very harm to occur that you are seeking to avoid,`` he said.

hijacked my ass....A minority of muslims are actual jihadis and the majority condone their actions by supporting them, being their apologists or standing by and doing squat(like the guys in canada who let the paki spout extremist views in the mosque because he quote - took out the trash for them unquote....

THE MISSISSAUGA NEWS
Muslim leader fears backlash over Liberal views

Radhika Panjwani
Oct 13, 2006

The new president of the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) says she is feeling the wrath of Islamic fundamentalists because of her stance on such issues as terrorism, homosexuality and religious law.

Now, Mississauga`s Farzana Hassan Shahid is calling on Queen`s Park to intervene. She wants Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant to incorporate the kind of threats made by various radical groups against her and other members of the MCC into the framework of existing hate crime laws.

``There is an underlying fear all the time...that uneasy feeling is part of my daily life,`` Hassan Shahid told The News. ``I have been declared an apostate (a person who forsakes their religion) twice, for opposing the Sharia (a form of Islamic law). We have asked Michael Bryant to include or acknowledge accusation of blasphemy and apostasy into the existing hate laws so the public and legal frame work is sensitized to this issue.``

Hassan Shahid said she and other members of her organization receive threatening e-mails and are subjected to other acts of hatred from radical Muslim groups. One strongly worded hate-mail accused her of being the, ``younger sister of Satan.``

More recently, Hassan Shahid has been in the eye of the storm for her organization`s stance on homosexuality. Her husband was questioned by some congregation members at a local mosque recently and ordered to, ``control his wife.``

``I got a lot of negative e-mails from the Muslim community, questioning my stand on gay and lesbian issues,`` she said. ``I had a hard time explaining to them that I am not supporting homosexuals, but supporting equal rights for them.``

MCC`s vocal opposition of violence, too, doesn`t sit well with the fundamentalist, she said. Hassan Shahid said many Muslims are angry and accuse the organization of not supporting the plight of Muslims in places such as Chechnya, Palestine and Serbia.

``We have denounced terrorism with a type of clarity that is really needed now,`` Hassan Shahid said. ``When we do that we are accused of not understanding the political conflicts abroad...we`re really caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.``

MCC`s former communications director, Tarek Fatah resigned from his post after receiving death threats.

Sohail Raza, the present communications director of MCC, said radical elements are changing mosques, that were once great cultural entities, and relegating them into places where rituals are enforced.

``I think where we lose out is the ability to discuss,`` Raza said. ``The stand is not a line in the sand, every body has a right to interpret their own religion, every body has the right to debate and discuss issues, unfortunately that is lacking and that is what we want to encourage in a democratic society like Canada.``

Oh those poor innocent jihadis..


Worker beheaded in south Thailand

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Suspected Muslim insurgents in southern Thailand beheaded a man in a gruesome attack carried out in the presence of the victim`s daughter, police said Friday.

The man was identified as a 45-year-old Burmese worker at a prawn farm in the Nong Chik district of Pattani province, one of three Muslim-majority provinces in Thailand that has been gripped by a deadly insurgency since 2004.

Four armed men entered the prawn farm Thursday evening, blindfolded the man`s 16-year-old daughter and shot the man at close range before beheading him, said police Col. Thawan Nakarawong, head of the Nong Chik precinct.

The gunmen then picked up the head and drove about 20 kilometers (12 miles) to a site where they tried to blast it with a bomb, but the device failed to detonate, Thawan said.

``The insurgents left a note demanding that police and soldiers pull out from the area, otherwise they will kill more people,`` Thawan said.

This is an interesting read on the the development among Muslims.

An Arab Therapist
Seeks to Lift the Veil
On a Touchy Subject

With Frank Talk About Sex,
Ms. Kotb Helps Couples
Confront the Unknown
By MARIAM FAM
October 11, 2006; Page A1

SAN`A, Yemen -- On a recent trip to Yemen, Heba Kotb drew an audience of about 300 women at a local university campus. Virtually all of them were swathed in long, traditional black abayas, concealing their bodies. Most women also covered their faces, revealing only their eyes.

There was no way to tell what they looked like or how old they were. But it was clear what was on their minds: sex. One asked whether her husband`s intimate requests were normal. Another sought advice on what an unmarried woman should do if she feels sexually excited.


A veiled and observant Muslim medical doctor, Ms. Kotb is a Cairo-based sex therapist -- which makes her a pioneer in this part of the world. She combines Islam and tradition with science and modernity, encouraging her conservative and religious audience to discuss a topic largely shunned in public.

Doing so, she says, will help save many a troubled marriage in the Arab world and rescue the young from inaccurate sexual information. ``Sexual relations are like a gas station ... If the gas is no good, the car will break,`` she says. ``This is what happens to marriages in the Arab world; most of them are in shambles.``

Social researchers say studies on sex in the Arab world are scarce, partly because the taboo surrounding the issue makes it very difficult to gather credible information. But anecdotal evidence, they say, suggests many divorces stem from sexual problems.

Ms. Kotb is part of an important current -- Muslims recasting the age-old verses of the Islamic scripture to tackle real-life problems with a contemporary flair. They play increasingly prominent roles as many young Muslims rediscover their faith as an alternative to what some see as a promiscuous West.

The Islamic revival among the young and hip has coincided with an opening of the media. New satellite channels provide moderate preachers, and Ms. Kotb, with a podium.

With little or no sex education in Egypt, young men and women often depend on their peers, the Internet or other informal, and sometimes inaccurate, channels for information. Sexual relations outside wedlock are forbidden by Islam.

A few years ago, only a handful of people visited Ms. Kotb`s Cairo practice each week. Now, she is sometimes booked up for more than two months ahead, mostly with middle-class and well-to-do clients. She recently started her own show on an Egyptian satellite channel and is being bombarded by invitations to lecture in the most conservative corners of the Arab society.

``No one should harbor the illusion that as long as you`re keeping the issue of sex from your children they won`t learn about it,`` Ms. Kotb said on her program. ``They will search and move from being ignorant to learning the wrong information.``

Not everyone appreciates her openness. Egyptian sociologist Azza Korayem says that while she supports the idea of sex education, she believes Ms. Kotb ``goes into too many details about relations. This could excite those who don`t know better.``

Ms. Kotb, 39 years old, says she is confident that her presentations don`t offend her audiences.

For her lectures, Ms. Kotb calls upon a diverse range of resources. She refers to verses from the Quran and sayings of Prophet Muhammad, while displaying Masters and Johnson charts that relay the various stages of sexual response. She says that the prophet kissed his wife before he left the house and when he returned. ``So when someone tells me, `I have no time to kiss my wife,`... I tell him, `Was the prophet too busy?``` Ms. Kotb said to a small group of reporters in Yemen.

Like many, Raqya Abdul Rahman, a 42-year-old woman who attended one of Ms. Kotb`s lectures in Yemen, said the mix of religion and science made her more trusting of what Ms. Kotb had to say. If the talk was only about science, she would have had to check it against the Quran, she said.

``Our religion is a lifestyle, so when I heard that God ordered us to know more about this topic, this gave me the courage to discuss it with my husband and children,`` she said.

It`s not surprising that Ms. Kotb waded into uncharted territory. She was a top student at her co-ed French school in Cairo. At 11, she was the only girl playing soccer with the sons of neighbors outside her family`s Cairo house.

Ms. Kotb`s upbringing wasn`t particularly religious, beyond such basics as praying and fasting. Wearing a veil was looked down upon as a hallmark of a lower social class. ``You want to wear a scarf just like the maids?`` Ms. Kotb remembers her mother telling her once.

During her second year of medical school at Cairo University, Ms. Kotb realized how little she knew about Islam and started learning more. Soon after she was married, she donned the veil. Her interest in sex studies emerged while doing research work in forensic medicine and she was shocked by her own lack of sexual knowledge.

So she enrolled in a long-distance program offered by the American Academy of Clinical Sexologists at Maimonides University in Florida -- a school that offers course work and degrees, but is not accredited. Her adviser at the program suggested she focus on sexuality in Islam.

At home, skeptics tried to warn her off the topic. Her father half-jokingly urged her to find another job title that didn`t include the word sex.

And yet couples, many devout, began coming for advice. At the behest of parents, Ms. Kotb gave sex-education classes for teenagers at her office. She also lectured across the region.

On a recent Saturday, Ms. Kotb started the first episode of her new show with an interview with Muslim preacher Sheik Khaled el-Gendy. ``People are in dire need for a religiously correct way to strengthen family bonds and protect our youth from destructive and harmful ideas,`` he said, hailing Ms. Kotb`s work as a ``great mission.``

She put a tough question to her guest: Would he let his daughters watch her show? They were already watching, he told her.

Ms. Kotb told viewers they could use fake names to call. One caller said she got married five years ago without any knowledge about sex. ``My mom didn`t teach me a thing and I suffered from a lot of problems because of this.`` Another wanted to know if circumcised women -- those whose genitalia have been partly removed for cultural or religious beliefs -- reacted differently to sex. A 27-year-old man said he couldn`t resist the stimulation provided by pornography even though he had recently wed.

She reassured her audience that most of their concerns were normal, and that the problems raised shouldn`t impede anyone from enjoying a healthy sex life. (The 27-year-old man, however, she advised to focus more on his wife and improve his relationship with God.)

While pushing the envelope, Ms. Kotb is no Western-style liberal. She believes homosexuality is a disease. Negotiations for a possible show on a well-known Arab channel fell through, partly because she objected to a sponsor who wanted to advertise lingerie, she says.

Still, her critics argue that talk about sex ``opens the eyes`` of the unmarried to a topic best left alone. Abdel Moety Bayoumi, a member of the Islamic Research Academy, said sex education could be accepted if done ``from a religious perspective`` to teach people what`s right and what`s wrong. There was no need for going beyond that, he added. ``Look at how many generations have gone through their whole lives without sex education. Did this affect human life?``

Write to Mariam Fam at mariam.fam@wsj.com1

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#223 by arjun2

[His stark intervention, in an article for The Sunday Telegraph, represents a toughening of the Tory stance on the dangers of Islamic radicalism and follows calls from some leading ministers for Muslim women to remove their veils. It is also a departure from the ``caring Conservatism`` message laid out by David Cameron. ]

The world is waking up. It`s happening.

Just as I said and hoped it would.

One has to admit, that there is some Karmic justice to this happening in Britain. What with Blair saying that Britain has made an ``inncoent`` mistake about the Indian Government in Kashmir for a long time.

Let`s stay tuned, shall we?

:)

#216 by ranjit


[The question is how did Christianity change for the better? It was not the threat of external conflict. Nor was it a sudden development of ``educated`` people who developed a distaste for religion.]

There are two ways of arguing. One is, of course, responding on point. That is, countering one argument with another. The other one, as we see here, is atwo step process:

Step 1) Put words in your opponent`s mouth.

Step 2) Try to show those words to be completely false.


WHERE the heck in my post did I say that there was a ``sudden`` development of ``educated`` people? Eh?

The spread of education, AND the change in Christianity`s attitude have both been VERY slow and VERY gradual amongst Europeans.

If you don`t think so, show me how.


ONLY AFTER THAT we can argue about such kindergarten essay-quality statements as ``The change happened when ordinary people who were christians got fed up with their way of life and decided to change.``.

Tories stand up to the Islamofascists...good for them...

Tories accuse Muslims of `creating apartheid by shutting themselves off`

By Patrick Hennessy and Melissa Kite
(Filed: 15/10/2006)

The Conservatives today accuse Muslim leaders of encouraging ``voluntary apartheid`` in Britain by shutting themselves away in closed societies and demanding protection from criticism.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, says that Britain risks social and religious divisions so profound that society`s very foundations, such as the freedom of speech, will become ``corroded`` and that the perfect conditions for home-grown terrorism will be created.

His stark intervention, in an article for The Sunday Telegraph, represents a toughening of the Tory stance on the dangers of Islamic radicalism and follows calls from some leading ministers for Muslim women to remove their veils. It is also a departure from the ``caring Conservatism`` message laid out by David Cameron.

Mr Davis says he supports the stance on veils adopted by Jack Straw, the Commons Leader, but believes the wider issue is one of the ``very unity of our nation``.

``What Jack touched on was the fundamental issue of whether, in Britain, we are developing a divided society. Whether we are creating a series of closed societies within our open society. Whether we are inadvertently encouraging a kind of voluntary apartheid.

``At the starkest level, we may be creating conditions in the recesses of our society that foster home-grown terrorism.``

Mr Davis`s comments follow a series of events that highlight the reluctance among some Muslims to integrate fully into British society. Aishah Azmi, a 24-year-old teaching assistant, is taking legal action because her school in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, asked her to remove her veil in front of children. Madani High School, an Islamic school in Leicester, is ordering its non-Muslim girls to wear headscarves.

An ICM poll this weekend showed 57 per cent of voters want Muslims to do more to fit in and 53 per cent agree with Mr Straw that the full veil creates a barrier between Muslim women and other people.

Mr Davis`s comments – strongly challenged by leading Muslim groups – also come against a backdrop of rising numbers of Islamophobic attacks.

He said: ``There is a growing feeling that the Muslim community is excessively sensitive to criticism, unwilling to engage in substantive debate. Much worse, is the feeling of some Muslim leaders that as a community they should be protected from criticism, argument, parody, satire and all the other challenges in a society that has free speech as its highest value. It is straightforward. I respect your religion, you respect mine and we all respect our laws. No special treatment.``

Mr Davis won support from David Blunkett, Labour`s former home secretary, who said: ``We should not go out of our way to avoid saying things that we want to say because we might actually cause a rumpus.``

Inayat Bunglawala, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: ``No group in modern Britain has been as systematically vilified in recent years in the media as British Muslims. To say this is to state a clear fact, it is not to be `excessively sensitive` as Mr Davis suggests. We all as a society ought to uphold the right to free speech. However, that includes the right to protest peacefully against vilification and abuse.``

Re: # 208

DM

I wish I could write Enlish like you. So I take you as my `Ustad` and if you kindly agree, I would send you my draft article on the subject mentionbed by me for improvement by you before I post it. Btw, can you read Urdu?

regards

Re: # 219

``As Muslims it is our belief that this world is a place where the only purpose of our existence is to take the test that Allah wishes to test us with.``

Get well soon !! Please send me the address where we can send the roses to you!!

Islamic Literalism and their Examination Blues


This examination fear is the disease that inflicts the literalists - it results in the acts like a suicide bomber securing his private parts to the next life in self afflicated bombing. The present is redundant, either look at the glorious `past` or the future examination at the hands of the almighty. The present is lost, it becomes irrelevant , it becomes a muddy and a bloody way that must be traversed quickly before one kills himself on the earth.
The way must be cleared of in order to secure the safe passage to those who would follow. Those who kill themselves in clearing the way of those who oppose would automatically be eligible to heavens without passing through the final examination.; Once the way have been uncluttered and those who oppose are killed or made to follow the rules of Shariah, then the almighty`s examination system would become operational. Till then those who kill by default secure their place in the heavans..........

This is in essense the story behind the disease of literalism. And like every made mn who wants others to see through his own eyes, the literalists want every one to live in that perpetual anxiety of that final examination for securing a place in the heavans.........

Re: # 218 Ranjit

The phenomenon of rise and fall of nations is the law of nature as stipulated in Quran. It says ``And were Allah not to repulse one people by means of another, the earth would be filled with corruption. Allah, however, is full of compassion for the world. (2:251)`` And in our living day life we see this law fulfill its promise every day. As Muslims it is our belief that this world is a place where the only purpose of our existence is to take the test that Allah wishes to test us with. Sometimes he tests us by giving us his bounty and sometimes he tests us by taking away everything from us. We were once tested while we ruled the world and now we are being tested when we strive for our autonomy. So the important thing is not the mode of test but how steadfast we are in our faith. By the way things are not as bleak for Muslims as they are made out to be in the propaganda warfare. Only this year two terrorists have won Nobel prize. It is also a fact that Islam is spreadin in the West which wrote off religion decades ago. It is also a fact that in every nook and crany of this globe there is a wave of awakening in the Muslim world; a phoenix is rising from its ashes which people thought died 80 years ago with our Caliphate. We are in the process of straightening our columns at all fronts - ideological as well as physical. Sometimes it takes a blink of an eye for an Empire to collapse - remember Soviet Union? and sometimes it takes only 23 years to esatblish a new civilization (Muslim). We will pass this test- God Willing.

Re:urstruly#212

Thanks for confirming my suspicions about the root cause for Qadiani insecurity among muslims.

Having said that, dont you wonder how long can you hold out against Islam changing itself? By that I dont mean the literal pillars of the faith, but rather the implementation and manifestation of the religion. As things stand today, muslims are in a bad shape all over the world and it is getting worse. Terrible economic conditions, autocratic rule, conflict with literally every non-muslim people, lack of education/literacy, lack of scientic and cultural progress - these have become the defining characteristics of most muslim socieites. As ordinary muslims experience these deprivations day in and day out, they see everyone else enjoying a better life for themselves and their children. How long are they going to take it and not come out blaming religion for their troubles?

sattar,

i have never advocated mindless violence. stop lying. as for your arguments, they`ve been destroyed a million times by muslims all over the world. urstruly has just demolished your ;`last mosque` hypothesis and you qadianis have no leg to stand on theoretically.

as for believing in the physical ascension of Christ to the heavens whilst alive, i do not apologise for that as it is mainstream muslim orthodox belief which Allah`s Messenger taught us. And yes, the Second Coming of Christ is a part of that belief.

By mocking mainstream Muslim belief held for over 1400 years you again prove that Qadianis are a separate religion from Islam. That`s all we`ve always said.