Muslims ‘Unveiled’

Re: # 165 Echo

Although those are couplets from a Ghazal, meant to be independent of each other, but I think when poet wrote them the train of his thought maintained the continuity. This continuity makes them immortal.

yeh straw kutta beech main kahan se aa gya?

#164 contd.
That was wrong link. Here it works.

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Nasah, Naqshbandi & maybe many others.
You`ll enjoy & appreciate this....and do it at your own Ramadhan hours...though personally I find it perfectly OK.



Pyaas kuchh aur bhee bharRkaadee, jhalak dikhlaa kay


Male voice:
You made my desire for you intense, by just letting me a glance
You got get that veil of yours out of our way


Female Voice:
Better teach some manners to your wandering eye
Desire must pay homage & have deference for Beauty


Male Voice:
( even)The Moon and the Stars gaze at you with abandon
Why it only my restless eyes, which are not privy to you

Female Voice:
The Moon is my mirror, and the stars my footprints
So why should a stranger even risk for a view of me


from:
Lalaa Rukh (1958) a good movie to watch for history/music.
Lala Rookh ` immortalised in his verse epic by Thomas Moore in Dublin in 1817

Lalaa Rukh was the daughter of Aurangzeb who was married to the son of a Kashmiri ruler.
The groom had not seen his bride, so he sought permission to escort her from her mid-journey to his Palace and posed as an ordinary Guard. He just wanted to see if she would accept him even if he was not a prince.

So he woos her as a guard, but the girl does not allow him the second view of her enchanting face. Hence the song above
[ as you know one can uncover only once to let the suitor have a ``look``]
[Reply to interact #164]

Urstruly:163
Very apt for Jack Straw but for wrong reasons
Ji main aata hai ulat dein un key chehray say niqab
Hosla kartay hain lekin hosla hota naheeN


how about this one by Ghalib?

Munh na khulnai par hai woh aalam ki daikha hi nahin
Zulf se barRkar niqab us shoakh kay munh pUr khula.

Nasah, Naqshbandi & maybe many others.
You`ll enjoy & appreciate this....and do it at your own Ramadhan hours...though personally I find it perfectly OK.

Pyaas kuchh aur bhee bharRkaadee, jhalak dikhlaa kay

Male voice:
You made my desire for you intense, by just letting me a glance
You got get that veil of yours out of our way


Female Voice:
Better teach some manners to your wandering eye
Desire must pay homage & have deference for Beauty


Male Voice:
( even)The Moon and the Stars gaze at you with abandon
Why it only my restless eyes, which are not privy to you

Female Voice:
The Moon is my mirror, and the stars my footprints
So why should a stranger even risk for a view of me


from:
Lalaa Rukh (1958) a good movie to watch for history/music.
Lala Rookh ` immortalised in his verse epic by Thomas Moore in Dublin in 1817

Lalaa Rukh was the daughter of Aurangzeb who was married to the son of a Kashmiri ruler.
The groom had not seen his bride, so he sought permission to escort her from her mid-journey to his Palace and posed as an ordinary Guard. He just wanted to see if she would accept him even if he was not a prince.

So he woos her as a guard, but the girl does not allow him the second view of her enchanting face. Hence the song above
[ as you know one can uncover only once to let the suitor have a ``look``]

Top this...

Ji main aata hai ulat dein un key chehray say niqab
Hosla kartay hain lekin hosla nahiN hota

Shamah jis ki aabroo per jan dey dey jhoom kar
wo patanga jal tu jata hai fana nahiN hota

lemme give one reason from Daagh -- for the old Niqab as a refinery for crude beauty -- that used to be `sieved` in old days -- not a blind with only a slit for the eyes -- like the `modern` one -- that Jack complained of.

moonh pur NIQAAB unke puRee bay subub naheeN
day tay haiN uss say sherbat-e deedaar chaan kur

Echo,

Thank You.

VRV:158
``I wish I cud read all of Iqbal`s works.``

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Here it is that you can (most anyway)
http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/iqbal/index.html

Looks like Europe is reading the riot act to muslims:

Blair, Prodi voice concern over Muslim veils

By Sophie Walker 29 minutes ago

LONDON (Reuters) - Two European leaders separately voiced concern at the Muslim veil on Tuesday, with Britain`s Tony Blair calling it a ``mark of separation`` and Italy`s Romano Prodi saying it should not be used to hide behind.

Both leaders said the wearing of full veils presented difficulties for their nations with Muslim communities and immigrants needing to integrate into Western societies.

``It is a mark of separation and that`s why it makes other people from outside the community feel uncomfortable,`` British Prime Minister Tony Blair said when asked his opinion on the veil, which has become a hot topic in Britain in recent weeks.

Former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said earlier this month he asked Muslim women in his constituency to remove their veils when they come to see him. And a Muslim teaching assistant was suspended over her refusal to remove a veil which left only her eyes visible.

In Italy, Prime Minister Romano Prodi told Reuters it was a matter of common sense that people show their faces in public.

``You can`t cover your face. If you have a veil, fine, but you must be seen,`` Prodi told Reuters. ``This is common sense I think, it is important for our society. It is not how you dress but if you are hidden or not.``

The question of whether Europe is doing enough to integrate Muslims into society has been urgently addressed by governments across the continent since the London attacks of July 2005 when British-born Muslim suicide bombers killed 52 people.

DEMONISATION

But some in the Muslim community have complained of increasing ``Islamophobia.``

``What is happening, especially in the last few months, has been a barrage of demonisation of the Muslim community to such an extent that the community is now scared and the whole community feels vulnerable,`` said Muhammad Abdul Bari, a leader of the Muslim Council of Britain, the country`s largest Islamic group.

The ``niqab`` is a veil worn by women in many Muslim societies which usually covers the whole face except the eyes.

Neither Britain nor Italy restrict the wearing of the veil, but Italy has in the past had laws against covering the face in public as an anti-terrorism measure and some politicians have called for this rule to be enforced against veiled Muslim women.

In France a law bans ``conspicuous symbols`` of faith such as Muslim headscarves, Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses, from schools.

Blair said he did not want to ban the veil. ``I`m not saying anyone should be forced to do anything,`` he told his monthly news conference.

``No one wants to say that people don`t have the right to do it, that`s to take it too far, but I think we do need to confront this issue about how we integrate people properly with our society and all the evidence is when people do integrate more they achieve more as we

Re: # 94

Echo,

Thanks for the translation.

I wish I cud read all of Iqbal`s works.

He`s a scholar-politician. I read his speech as prez of 1930 AIML. He`s a diff breed altogether.

In India he`s limited to Sare Jahan se achcha......song, unfortunately.

Re: # 151 by hamidm2:

Hamid:

I knew that you were not the guy. Here are the reasons why:

(1) The guy does not know how to write or read; yet he speaks urdu, arabic, english, spanish and italian (and I may add fluently). Today his greatest wish is to be able to read the Koran.

(2) His wife does not live with him, she lives in Multan.

(3) He has had business dealings in 22 countries. He is a millionaire, are you?

(4) You would not call my wife ``beti``.

(5) You would have got the booze, at least some days.

One of these days when I have time, I got to tell you this guy`s story.

YLH,

Thanks for the nice words but I did not say `the niqab has no place in Islam` rather I said `the niqab is not mandatory`. These two statements are not the same!

In an Islamic society, if a woman wants to wear one that is fine; I just think it doesn`t help our cause in the West.

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hamidm -- that post 139 was very funny!

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I used to support the MMA but now I think that maulvi-rule would be the most disastrous thing for Islam that could happen in Pakistan.

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hamidm2, you need to move in different circles. Your current circle is full of middle aged insecure a-holes. Move down the age range and you will get moredirnking buddies who face towards the east and down their drinks (T)

``and i could go on and on .......... why do you think all my drinking buddies are hindoos ? ........ god forbid, it is not that i like hindoos or anything - it is because you can`t find a good muslim who drinks any more - (hamidm)

hamidm mian -- that was hilarious -- and so true -- I feel your pain -- ``it is because you can`t find a good muslim who drinks any more`` -- call me if you need a real Good one.......:))

thanks for such a delightful lament -- made my day!

#152 this tells us a lot about the mullahs

Taliban Prostitute
Thursday November 1, 2001

This woman, who calls herself Shazia, wears a burqa to hide her face and her shame. She spent nearly two years as a prostitute for the Taliban. A highly educated woman and former schoolteacher, Shazia says these so-called religious men are raping women and forcing them into prostitution. She says, “The Taliban themselves were customers. They would come several at a time.”

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Meena Nanji is an award winning documentary filmmaker. She spent several months this year at a refugee camp in Pakistan, documenting the horrors endured by Afghani women. Shazia risked her life to tell Meena her story. Meena says, “She said, ‘I`m doing this because I want other people to know what I’ve had to go through even if I’m killed because of this.”

Like many Afghani women, Shazia`s husband and eldest son were killed during the war with the Soviets. Once the Taliban took over, Shazia was not allowed to work. She had three hungry children and a son dying of malaria. Meena says, “At that point she has no way to buy clothes, food, the most basic things. So she began to beg.”

Shazia says, “There were instances of the Taliban telling beggars to go to an address or even behind a wall and told they would find some food there. When the woman would go she would find no food just a gang of Talibs who would rape her. Sometimes they didn`t pay at all. They just did their business and left.”

When they did pay it was about 25 cents, more for young or beautiful women. It was a desperate existence Shazia couldn’t escape. Meena says, “She says she thought many times of taking her own life, of committing suicide, then she looks at her children and sees, how can she leave them alone.”