Muslims ‘Unveiled’

Re: # 237 by urstruly:

``I have survived many gunfights.``

You should stick to romance and fiction. Leave the gory things to the likes of NHK.

Regards.

Re: # 242
Kaalchakra, that is problem. Prophethood is assigned to the person who can deliver the goods to the largest section of the people and the rest follow the group. It delivers a hierarchy which is easily understood by the people. That is why India is a bloody chaotic country and nothing good will come from it.

This business of everyone being god is a sham. what you saying that everyone is just s powerful as the other. you got to be kidding about thi equality of spirit thingy

Re: # 242
Kaalchakra, that is problem. Prophethood is assigned to the person who can deliver the goods to the largest section of the people and the rest follow the group. It delivers a hierarchy which is easily understood by the people. That is why India is a bloody chaotic country and nothing good will come from it.

This business of everyone being god is a sham. what you saying that everyone is just s powerful as the other. you got to be kidding about thi equality of spirit thingy

So how did the hindoos lose this satan chap? huh! This satan chap is clearly amongst Persian Zoroastrians, and now these despicable hindoos do not have satan! What happened? Hindoos are brothers to the Zoroastrians, are they not? At least that is what those damn Parsees have been harping that Sanscrit and Avesta languages are sister languages, etc.

So Hindoos have lost satan chap, and Parsees have kept it, eh!. How much stupid does it get in India?

Urstruly, where are you? Some of us need your enlightened views.

Re: # 237

urstruly,

chavez is better than you - he can smell Him :) ........

but seriously, drop by the bar one day and i am sure we can cure you of whatever ails you ......... i hope you are not sitting in ehtiqaf and using your computer - god doesn`t like that ....... i didn`t even know what ethiqaf was until a friend of mine disappeared during ramadhan ... when i asked what happened to him, i was told he was sitting in ehtiqaf - i thought he was suffering from hemmaroids or something ............ to cut a long story short, the man became pious and insufferable and i haven`t seen him in years .......... let me save you before you suffer the same fate ............ i am on a mission from Him

iron_mask

If we are made of the same ``material`` of which ``God`` is made, then Prophethood (strictly from the Hindoo point of view) is a silly idea. Each one of us is a ``prophet`` (actually better, God) to a greater or lesser extent. Each is free to realize ``God`s message`` within himself or herself. Even in our most backward, casteist form, we have acknowledged that.

(none of this is meant to offend anyone else who believes differently)

Re: # 240
so you mean to ay any and ever human being (MAN or WOMAN) can become a prophet and attain this prophethood?

Tauba, tauba,....no wonder hindoos are so bloody backward. I can understand HP`s adjective of ``Macacas`` now!

You guys have no concept of historicity nor do you understand the uniqueness of prophet hood!

``hoodwinking atheists.``

LOL, iron, you figures us out good! Hindus, in a fundamental sense, simply do not believe that there is any god/God sitting quite apart from them, out THERE somewhere.

You are right...in semitic terminology perhaps atheism comes closest to that concept. We truly are men and women of no ``faith,`` except the faith we ourselves agree to create for a certain amount of time.

Re: # 238

Gannewalah Behram1:Do hindoos have satans?

I donot think they have any satans or gods. Hinoods can confirm this. They are bunch of hoodwinking athiests who believe in ``aham bhrahmasmi``. How much bigger can an ego get?
Even you a great man doesnot say this.

Re: # 237 by Urstruly on October 19, 2006 7:10am PT

Dear Urstruly:

{The paradigm shift occured when I migrated to US; there was no indoctrination of any kind because I was not cut out of the material that get indoctrinated; it was only observation. I saw the satan incarnate.}

Wow! You have now started seeing satan in the west. Congratulations! Gosh, it seems Urstruly, that even satan knows where to reside.

And this satan chap does not reside in our Islamic world, eh!?

Well, I will agree with you. One of them is our own shaitaan-e-buzorg vibrating mad mullah-o-crat masadi right here on the chowk. And then there are all these hindoo satans, don`t we? Do hindoos have satans?

Respectfully submitted,

Dr. Sohail

Throuhgout my life there have been two major themes in my dreams; one is/was fighting to save the planet from bad guys, aliens, monsters, predatory animals, and even androids; the second theme has been running towards something, to catch up.

hamidm

There is no childhood trauma. According to your standards I had been leading a pretty normal life all my life. I spent most of my university life chasing JTI, APMSO, and NSF gunslingers and lowlives like Jiyay Sindh. I have survived many gunfights. Had I lived longer in Pakistan during my working life there, I would have turned phenomenon of being an asswhole into an art form. The paradigm shift occured when I migrated to US; there was no indoctrination of any kind because I was not cut out of the material that get indoctrinated; it was only observation. I saw the satan incarnate.

Re: # 235 Tahmed32, what is interesting is that the rich are never touched by this. The poor pakistani, and some other arabs and north africans (try calling a libyan or an algerian an arab - they will laugh and suggest that they are a diffrent kind from the saudi`s)

What is even more interesting is that the muslims in places likeBradford, Bolton, Glasgow, London, Birmingham, leeds, etc are repeating the exercise of post 1857 - going into a shell. They need to come out of it (not like in pre 1857 manner) but in the Syed kind of way.
In fact you will find both streaks (the shell by the older folk, the other way by the younger lot). Reason and reality seem to be different for all of them.

dot #232: interesting article. It is interesting that ``muslims`` being referred to in the article are pakistanis basically. Correct me if I am wrong - but from what I have heard and read, wealthy Arabs live in luxurious homes in posh areas in UK (as they do in the US, btw) thanks to their unearned oil wealth. It is only these paindoos from Pakistan who are trying to be more arab than the arabs who live in these ghettoes. The bus bombers who killed themselves and innocent bus passengers in the name of the arabs were also from among these paindoos.

The price will, as I said, is being paid by pakistanis - not arabs - since Arabs dont need visas to come to UK to earn a living or to improve the living condition of their families back home. But people from poor families in Pakistan do.

Re: # 231

hhhhm! I guess I have short changed Echoboom. My praise was understated.

#232 tha pragraph in blue is the title of the article, the one in bold is a para taken from the article. The rest ofthe article is extremely interesting.

taken from today`s guardian.co.uk (a question why is it that it is the others who are arguing for and against the motion here....you will not find one muslim - and in this context this paragraph is rather apt - )

the link to the article titled : If this onslaught was about Jews, I would be looking for my passport

Politicians and media have turned a debate about integration into an ugly drumbeat of hysteria against British Muslims


The majority of British Muslims could have done themselves a favour if they had found a way to show just how unrepresentative Brooks and his ilk are. How powerful it would have been if, after 7/7, hundreds of thousands of British Muslims had taken to the streets to repudiate utterly the four bombers who had killed in the name of Islam. The model might have been the 2000 Basque march in Bilbao in protest against ETA violence. Or perhaps the 1992 funeral of an assassinated anti-mafia judge in Palermo, which turned into a rally of Sicilians against the crime organisation. The slogan for the British Muslim equivalent would have been obvious: Not in our name.