Marriage in Hiding

Re: # 18

but i dont think so it is applicable everywhere now ....... lots of love marriages are happening in pakistan ....... cannt say about india but its happening in pakistan

An interesting article about Hindu-Muslim marriages is this.

#14

Is she?? I am not very sure.

But anyway ,Hindu/Sikh doesnt make much difference particularly to Muslims..

Kulharee @4
``There is no such thing as an ‘illegitimate’ child,..`` you said.
You have made a profound statement of truth in above.
Our religious bigotry and punishment is visited on the child that is borne according to the fixed laws of nature and not on the couple that is alleged to have broken the societal/ religious laws of the community they are part of.
We must change this cultural cringe and remove the false stigma on the child for it to integrate in its society. It would be a paradigm shift. Well done.
Rashid

#13 by injun

.....Abu Salem--all have hindu wives.

Abu Salem`s wife, Monica Bedi is a Sikh, I think.

#10

[[Even if the spouse worships idols, so what? Who are others to determine the validity of the marriage? ]]

A Muslim will not go beyond the tenets of Koran. When marriage with an idolator is not allowed in Koran, it is out of question atleast for a common muslim.

#12

Muslim men have always been marrying Hindu women-Shahrukh Khan, Fardeen Khan, Aamir Khan, Omar Abdullah, Salman Rashdie, Mohd.Azzahruddin, Abu Salem--all have hindu wives.

The question is the other way round--Hindu men marrying muslim women. Why it is not allowed whereas Islam, per se, does not prohibit such a marriage.

I think Muslim men should marry Hindu women if they want a good wife. Where else are you going to find a woman who worships the phallus? ;)

# 10,

Even if the spouse worships idols, so what? Who are others to determine the validity of the marriage?

Mr.Shah,

Since you have raised this issue, can you comment on the following :-

The verse governing the marriage of a muslim man or a muslim woman to other-than-muslim is the following(letters in bold are mine) :-

The Cow

[2.221] And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.

Surely, the emphasis here is on Idolators and not Unbelievers.

Now my point is that a Hindu cannot marry a muslim girl because he falls under the category of Idolator and therefore to marry a muslim girl he has to convert to Islam.

But the question here is whether a Hindu really an Idolator??

Pure Hinduism is silent on idolatory ,that is ,it is neither recommended nor prohibited. Hinduism is said to have acquired idolatory from other cultures and it has now been widely accepted because it is a simpler form of worship.

In its pure form, a Hindu has to make comunion with God through His rememberance through the word ``OM``. That is to say that in pure Hinduism, God does not even have a name let alone image or idol.

So a Hindu cannot be really termed as idolator, though he practices idolatory for simplicity. An individual Hindu can shun idolatory at any time.

Now my question :- Does that qualifies a Hindu to marry a muslim girl??

Re: # 10

Injun, I would not comment on that - but common sense dictates : If someone BELIEVES in one thing, and their partner BELIEVES in something else, then they would probably not be compatible. Our beleif controls us - our perception, attitude and the whole personality. If belief does not match, people don`t match.

If you feel that your belief and the belief of your partner is exactly the same.. well.. cool.

Real love is walking in the same direction.
When the Quran was revealed, religion and belief was the essence of life. In this day and age, like I have tried to show in the article, it is not. What value does religion have today to the Hindu, Christian or Muslim? We all know there is a God.. but do we BELIEVE He is for real and active around us, and do we trust Him? Think about it. A single trauma is enough to make us lose our minds - is that belief? I will , with much shame , also admit that the Muslims that impressed Hindus to the extent that Hindus built temples for them, do not exist anymore. Those hindus learnt and practiced the wisdom while the muslims were too busy playing chess and observing mujras... The Brahmin can teach you a lot about your own belief!

Caliph Ali said: Two people are a problem for any society, the educated that do not believe in God and the ignorant who are too religious.

So, you must grow to a higher level of being to be able to debate on religion differences. For now, do you see any difference between people, regardless of religion? I can sit with a Jew, Christian and Hindu and we would all talk about the SAME things. We will not teach eachother the wisdom of God, but the strategy of making money, acquiring technology and combatting terrorism...lol.

This verse talks about why its better for people of similer beliefs to marry eachother. The likelihood of dispute would be minimal. Figure it out.

Interesting read.

Of course the things cannot change overnight, but serious discussions on debatable issues are always desirable.

Good job done.

Weird theme and equally weird article.

In future, Chowk should impose a policy on its writers to limit their content to 2 paragraphs. Let the interactors work on the rest of the theme, drift, options, and discourses under INTERACT Section.

On a super serious note: In this day and age, a female scientist has to look up to her parents to approve her marriage. How embarassing for the parents (for not raising an independent woman who could make her own decisions) and for the woman (for listening to her parents and letting them dictate her life - very silly! )!!!

``and let`s not forget that jesus himself was the illegimate son of god ............``(Hamidm)

man you are impossible.....:))))

Hmmm. You`ve raised some complicated issues here. You say that marriage is ``not as simple as it used to be``, and then you suggest that love marriage may be the solution to all these problems. I see a slight paradox here, since I don`t think that love marriages were any more popular in Islamic societies when marriages were simple and blissful. So, you may want to give some more thought to the causes of the issues that you`ve raised and discussed, and present deeper analyses of the potential solutions (if they exist)...

``Cheating couples would also not exist if everyone got to marry the person of their choice``.

And if we`re good boys and girls, Santa would bring lots and lots of toys for us, and we`ll all live happily ever after:)


``Today, in muslim countries - there are more sex crimes then anywhere else in the world. There is a whole gay community in every city``

Pardon my ignorance, but is it implied here that being gay is a ``sex crime``?

The reason this crap goes on in Islamic countries is because there are not enough opportunities for sexes to intermingle. Getting laid is important for mental and spiritual development. Sex was not meant to be disrespected, but enjoyed and treasured. There is no such thing as an ‘illegitimate’ child, as a child outside of marriage comes out of the same place, and same mechanism is involved in making one just as a child inside of marriage. Where’s the difference? Only in mind.

And there’s nothing wrong with not being married. If one cannot find a match, it is better to live by oneself than to be married to a total jerk.

Re: # 4

Marriage is in fact a function of culture not of religion, especially of a religion like Islam, with its `hallal` and `harram` applied even in case of human relations. Btw, are we not all the progeny of `kafirs` born out of their `harram` kafirana marriages?

Islam allows sex out of wedlock and legitimizes even the offspring from sex-slave but today muslims are the most sex-starved people on earth. Why? It is due to the paedophile mulla who uses Islam only to beat people with; interested in imposing Hadood Laws but not caring for any human rights, especially the sex-rights of the people. Even the so called moderates are also interested only in empowering the women without realising that this would make the marriage all the more costly and unattractive, leading perforce to extramarital sex relation not at all in the interest of the women.