1857 and the Lessons of 150 Years

VRV#316:

You did not read Manto #309 correctly. He wrote:
``Rank Country GDP
per capita``

I agree this pissing match is really unbecoming!

Dost Mittar,

I know what he did BUT he`d mention the figures as GDP. Perhaps he dont know the diff!

Even if u take Per capita Incomes.

Pl refer to source i.e World Bank:

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GNIPC.pdf

PER CAPITA INCOME AS PER DOLLAR TERMS:

China`s Rank : 128 with $ 1740

India at 159 with $ 720

AND ur Pakistan at 171 with $ 690

PER CAPITA INCOME AS PER PPP TERMS:

China is at 107 with $ 6,600

India is at 144 with $ 3,460

AND Grrrrreat Pakistan at 158 with $ 2,350

BETTER THROW UR DEGREES FROM IMPERIAL COLLEGE AND RUTGERS IN THAMES AND RAVI RIVERS RESPECTIVELY.

Pl know ur place and be urselves.

Though it`d sound like two/three beggers quarelling, if we take the base mentality of our friend and professional liar, India`s is ahead of Pakistan on this count. He`s as usual lied. Plain and simple.

VRV#313:

You are comparing apples and peanuts; Manto posted figures for per capita while you posted total GDPs, which are really not not comparable from one country to another.

Re. figures, I have said it before, based purely on observation, that the standard of living in Pakistan, especially cities, is better than that in India. One can simply notice that Pakistanis appear to be better fed and clothed than their Indian counterparts and have fewer ghastly slums, their kuttchi abaadis have better facilities than the Indian jhoppar-pattis.

But these figures, including Manto`s, have to be taken with a grain of salt. Think for a moment - three-four years ago, Indian per capita income was higher than Pakistan`s; during these years, the two countries` GDPs have grown at approximately the same rate and the population growth has been higher in Pakistan than in India, so the relative position of India should have improved, instead of deteriorating. So, what gives? The reason, I think, is that Manto (as well as your) figures are in nominal dollars and therein lies the rub. Pakistani rupee has risen relative to the Indian rupee during this period, despite the fact that inflation is running somewhat higher in Pakistan. So, nominal dollars show relative improvement in Pakistan; I suspect that the situation would be different if purchasing power parity were used.

WRT # 313, the website source is:

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GDP.pdf

These are the correct GDP figures. Who had mock sympathy shud retract their words and the liar shud tender apologies for the other Chowkies not to me btw.

India`s 12th placed and Pakistan is 43rd.

This World Bank data shud put things in perspective.

Source: World Development Indicators database, World Bank, 1 July 2006 4


Total GDP 2005
(millions of Ranking Economy US dollars)


1 United States 12,455,068
2 Japan 4,505,912
3 Germany 2,781,900
4 China 2,228,862
5 United Kingdom 2,192,553
6 France 2,110,185 a
7 Italy 1,723,044
8 Spain 1,123,691
9 Canada 1,115,192
10 Brazil 794,098
11 Korea, Rep. 787,624

12 India 785,468

13 Mexico 768,438
14 Russian Federation 763,720
15 Australia 700,672
16 Netherlands 594,755
17 Switzerland 365,937
18 Belgium 364,735
19 Turkey 363,300
20 Sweden 354,115
21 Saudi Arabia 309,778
22 Austria 304,527
23 Poland 299,151
24 Indonesia 287,217
25 Norway 283,920
26 Denmark 254,401
27 South Africa 240,152
28 Greece 213,698
29 Ireland 196,388
30 Iran, Islamic Rep. 196,343
31 Finland 193,176
32 Argentina 183,309
33 Hong Kong, China 177,722
34 Thailand 176,602
35 Portugal 173,085
36 Venezuela, RB 138,857
37 Malaysia 130,143
38 Israel 123,434
39 Czech Republic 122,345
40 Colombia 122,309
41 Singapore 116,764
42 Chile 115,248

43 Pakistan 110,732

44 Hungary 109,154
45 New Zealand 109,041
46 United Arab Emirates 104,204
47 Algeria 102,257
48 Nigeria 98,951
49 Romania 98,559
50 Philippines 98,306
51 Egypt, Arab Rep. 89,336
52 Ukraine 81,664
53 Peru 78,431
54 Kuwait 74,658
55 Bangladesh 59,958
56 Kazakhstan 56,088
57 Vietnam 52,408
58 Morocco 51,745
59 Slovak Republic 46,412
60 Libya 38,756
61 Croatia 37,412
62 Ecuador 36,244
63 Slovenia 34,030
64 Luxembourg 33,779
65 Guatemala 31,683
66 Belarus 29,566
67 Tunisia 28,683
68 Qatar 28,451
69 Dominican Republic 28,303
70 Angola 28,038
71 Sudan 27,699
72 Serbia and Montenegro 27,059 b
73 Bulgaria 26,648
74 Syrian Arab Republic 26,320
75 Lithuania 25,495
76 Oman 24,284
77 Sri Lanka 23,479
78 Lebanon 22,210
79 Costa Rica 19,432
80 Kenya 17,977
81 Cameroon 16,985
82 El Salvador 16,974
83 Uruguay 16,792
84 Côte d`Ivoire 16,055
85 Latvia 15,771
86 Panama 15,467
87 Cyprus 15,418
88 Iceland 15,036
89 Trinidad and Tobago 14,762
90 Yemen, Rep. 14,452
91 Uzbekistan 13,667
92 Estonia 13,107
93 Bahrain 12,995
94 Jordan 12,861
95 Iraq 12,602
96 Azerbaijan 12,561
97 Tanzania 12,111 c
98 Ethiopia 11,174
99 Ghana 10,695
100 Jamaica 9,696
101 Bosnia and Herzegovina 9,369
102 Botswana 9,350
103 Bolivia 9,334
104 Uganda 8,712
105 Albania 8,379
106 Senegal 8,318
107 Paraguay 8,152
108 Gabon 8,055
109 Honduras 7,976
110 Nepal 7,346
111 Zambia 7,257
112 Afghanistan 7,168
113 Congo, Dem. Rep. 6,974
114 Turkmenistan 6,774
115 Mozambique 6,630
116 Mauritius 6,447
117 Georgia 6,395
118 Namibia 6,126
119 Macedonia, FYR 5,762
120 Malta 5,570
121 Bahamas, The 5,502
122 Chad 5,469
123 Cambodia 5,391
124 Burkina Faso 5,171
125 Mali 5,098
126 Congo, Rep. 5,091
127 Madagascar 5,040
128 Nicaragua 4,911
129 Armenia 4,903
130 Papua New Guinea 4,731
131 Benin 4,287
132 Haiti 4,245
133 West Bank and Gaza 3,454
134 Niger 3,405
135 Zimbabwe 3,364
136 Equatorial Guinea 3,231
137 Barbados 2,976
138 Moldova 2,906 d
139 Lao PDR 2,855
140 Fiji 2,810
141 Swaziland 2,731
142 Guinea 2,689
143 Kyrgyz Republic 2,441
144 Tajikistan 2,326
145 Isle of Man 2,265
146 Togo 2,203
147 Rwanda 2,131
148 Malawi 2,072
149 Mauritania 1,888
150 Mongolia 1,880
151 Lesotho 1,453
152 Central African Republic 1,369
153 Suriname 1,342
154 Sierra Leone 1,193
155 Belize 1,105
156 Cape Verde 1,024
157 Eritrea 986
158 Antigua and Barbuda 905
159 Bhutan 840
160 St. Lucia 825
161 Maldives 817
162 Burundi 800
163 Guyana 783
164 Djibouti 702
165 Seychelles 694
166 Liberia 548
167 Gambia, The 461
168 Grenada 454
169 St. Kitts and Nevis 453
170 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 428
171 Samoa 399
172 Comoros 382
173 Timor-Leste 349
174 Vanuatu 341
175 Guinea-Bissau 301
176 Solomon Islands 286
177 Dominica 279
178 Tonga 244
179 Micronesia, Fed. Sts. 232
180 Palau 145
181 Marshall Islands 144
182 Kiribati 76
183 São Tomé and Principe 57
American Samoa ..
Andorra ..
Aruba ..
Bermuda ..
Brunei Darussalam ..
Cayman Islands ..
Channel Islands ..
Cuba ..
Faeroe Islands ..
French Polynesia ..
Greenland ..
Guam ..
Korea, Dem. Rep. ..
Liechtenstein ..
Macao, China ..
Mayotte ..
Monaco ..
Myanmar ..
Netherlands Antilles ..
New Caledonia ..
Northern Mariana Islands ..
Puerto Rico ..
San Marino ..
Somalia ..
Virgin Islands (U.S.) ..
World 44,384,871
Low income 1,391,362
Middle income 8,535,129
Lower middle income 4,869,491
Upper middle income 3,665,404
Low & middle income 9,926,393
East Asia & Pacific 3,032,573
Europe & Central Asia 2,190,933
Latin America & Caribbean 2,455,621
Middle East & North Africa 632,570
South Asia 995,809
Sub-Saharan Africa 615,216
High income 34,466,198
European Monetary Union 9,812,963
.. Not available.
Note: Rankings include only those economies with confirmed GDP estimates. Figures in italics are for 2004 or 2003.
a. Data include the French overseas departments of French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, and Réunion. b. Excludes Kosovo.
c. Data refer to mainland Tanzania only. d. Excludes data for Transnistria.

Yasser, thanks for posting the GDP per capita listings. it was a real eye-opener. i knew india and pakistan were poor--i didn`t think they were THAT poor.

notice the top 20 are dominated by Europe--with the exception of japan and the USA.
luxembourg--omg!

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in all seriousness, pace my earlier barbs, and this applies to both india and pakistan equally, surely with so much poverty in both countries the first priority for the govts should be to alleviate poverty and improve the lot of the common man instead of dreaming of international glory and so forth and pretending they are superpowers (india) or being involved in costly arms races with each other and thus wasting billions which could be used to help alleviate this shameful level of poverty.

Re: # 307

yeh, panditji nehru used to polish my knob at harrow before he graduated to being sodomised
by lord mountbatten. but you indians have a history of bending over for invaders to get shafted so it doesn`t surprise me.

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true, i don`t know too much about modern india--but i am not losing much sleep over it.
the GDP per capita figures for india and pakistan are shameful--this in the 21st century! i really dont understand why people from both countries spend so much time bragging about how great their countries are when they are so underdeveloped that countries like sudan and the ivory coast and mongolia are richer than them per capita!

la`anat hai.

Mantolives #309: You shouldnt be so cruel showing Pakistan ahead of India GDP-wise!! Think of poor Arjun`s feelings, if nothing else. Poor Jay Thakeray has gone into a coma upon reading this. :-)

Rank Country GDP
per capita
1 Luxembourg 80,288
2 Norway 64,193
3 Iceland 52,764
4 Switzerland 50,532
5 Ireland 48,604
6 Denmark 47,984
7 Qatar 43,110
8 United States 42,000
9 Sweden 39,694
10 Netherlands 38,618
11 Finland 37,504
12 Austria 37,117
13 United Kingdom 37,023
14 Japan 35,757
15 Belgium 35,712
16 Canada 35,133
17 Australia 34,740
18 France 33,918
19 Germany 33,854
20 Italy 30,200
21 United Arab Emirates 27,700
22 Spain 27,226
23 Singapore 26,836
24 New Zealand 26,464
25 Kuwait 26,020
26 Brunei 25,754
27 Hong Kong, People`s Republic of China 25,493
28 Greece 20,327
29 Cyprus 20,214
30 Israel 19,248
31 Bahrain 18,403
32 The Bahamas 18,062
33 Portugal 17,456
34 Netherlands Antilles, Netherlands 17,270
35 Slovenia 16,986
36 South Korea 16,308
37 Republic of China (Taiwan) 15,203
38 Malta 13,803
39 Saudi Arabia 13,410
40 Oman 12,664
41 Trinidad and Tobago 12,625
42 Czech Republic 12,152
43 Barbados 11,088
44 Saint Kitts and Nevis 10,895
45 Hungary 10,814
46 Antigua and Barbuda 10,727
47 Estonia 9,727
48 Slovakia 8,775
49 Croatia 8,675
50 Seychelles 8,556
51 Poland 7,946
52 Lithuania 7,446
53 Mexico 7,298
54 Chile 7,124
55 Latvia 6,862
56 Libya 6,696
57 Botswana 6,439
58 Gabon 6,397
59 Equatorial Guinea 6,205
60 Lebanon 6,034
61 Russia 5,349
62 Uruguay 5,274
63 South Africa 5,106
64 Turkey 5,062
65 Malaysia 5,042
66 Mauritius 5,029
67 Venezuela 5,026
68 Saint Lucia 4,963
69 Argentina 4,799
70 Panama 4,794
71 Grenada 4,670
72 Costa Rica 4,620
73 Romania 4,539
74 Brazil 4,320
75 Belize 4,146
76 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 3,950
77 Dominica 3,947
78 Kazakhstan 3,717
79 Jamaica 3,657
80 Bulgaria 3,459
81 Dominican Republic 3,411
82 Turkmenistan 3,406
83 Fiji 3,349
84 Algeria 3,086
85 Belarus 3,031
86 Namibia 3,022
87 Serbia 2,880
88 Peru 2,841
89 Tunisia 2,829
90 Republic of Macedonia 2,810
91 Iran 2,767
92 Ecuador 2,761
93 Albania 2,673
94 Thailand 2,659
95 Colombia 2,656
96 Suriname 2,637
97 El Salvador 2,468
98 Bosnia and Herzegovina 2,384
99 Maldives 2,350
100 Swaziland 2,336
101 Jordan 2,317
102 Angola 2,129
103 Tonga 2,106
104 Cape Verde 2,066
105 Guatemala 1,995
106 Samoa 1,832
107 Republic of the Congo 1,785
108 Ukraine 1,766
109 Morocco 1,713
110 People`s Republic of China 1,709
111 Iraq 1,700 [1]
112 Vanuatu 1,530
113 Azerbaijan 1,493
114 Georgia 1,480
115 Syrian Arab Republic 1,464
116 Paraguay 1,288
117 Indonesia 1,283
118 Egypt 1,265
119 Sri Lanka 1,200
120 Philippines 1,168
121 Honduras 1,148
122 Armenia 1,140
123 Bhutan 1,126
124 Guyana 1,039
125 Bolivia 993
126 Djibouti 973
127 Cameroon 952
128 Côte d`Ivoire 900
129 Moldova 861
130 Nicaragua 850
131 Sudan 820
132 Senegal 738
133 Mongolia 736
134 Pakistan 728
135 India 705
136 Nigeria 678
137 Kiribati 672
138 Mauritania 663
139 Papua New Guinea 662
140 Chad 654
141 Zambia 627
142 Lesotho 621
143 Vietnam 618
144 Comoros 615
145 Solomon Islands 611
146 Benin 592
147 Yemen 586
148 Kenya 560
149 Ghana 512
150 Laos 485
151 Haiti 478
152 Kyrgyz Republic 473
153 Uzbekistan 444
154 Mali 432
155 Burkina Faso 430
156 Cambodia 430
157 São Tomé and Príncipe 430
158 Bangladesh 400
159 Zimbabwe 383
160 Togo 377
161 Tajikistan 364
162 Guinea 355
163 Timor-Leste 352
164 Tanzania 336
165 Central African Republic 335
166 Mozambique 331
167 Nepal 322
168 The Gambia 306
169 Uganda 303
170 Afghanistan 300
171 Madagascar 282
172 Niger 274
173 Rwanda 242
174 Sierra Leone 223
175 Myanmar 219
176 Eritrea 209
177 Guinea-Bissau 190
178 Liberia 161
179 Malawi 161
180 Ethiopia 153
181 Democratic Republic of the Congo 119 [2]
182 Burundi 107


[edit] Source
International Monetary Fund, World Economic Outlook Database, September 2006 [1]

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#305

btw, don`t knock English public schools...they`re one of the few remaining things England has to be proud of.

I am sure your long and intimate service as a fa g-boy provides you with a perspective of the british public school system that I do not posess.

After all, all the best schools in Indo-Pak are second-rate copies of them. N`est pas

Look at all the people celebrated in India today, from the Narayan Murthy`s to the Tendulkar`s you wont sind a since Doon School or Daly college grad among them. Naqshi-baby what you know about India today would not flll the back of a postage stamp.

Despite the fact that the Mughal Empire at the time of Bahadur Shah Zafar was virtually non-existent and didn`t rule outside of the Darbar, it still says a lot about the Mughal System itself that even on its last legs it produced artists of the calibre of Mir, Ghalib, Zauq,
and so on, not to mention the great ulama of that time...

Re: # 299

btw, don`t knock English public schools...they`re one of the few remaining things England has to be proud of.

After all, all the best schools in Indo-Pak are second-rate copies of them. N`est pas?

Re: # 299

You know, I sometimes do think what it would`ve been like to have been a nawab in 19th century Hindustan (never India--when was the word `India` used to describe what is now the country of India and who was it by?) but, then again, I`m also quite happy now thank you very much.

;-)

#300 adamkhan: dhera mehrabani adamkhan sayeb!! zama dua day, kay taso da rogh jor day. (please excuse this sad attempt at writing pushto).

#299 once again you forget to mention us muslim hoi-polloi (not to mention muslim murg-palau) who also infest chowk with our gibberish. Another reason to thank Jinnah for Pakistan. :-)