Indian Muslims

INSTEAD OF BICKERING ABT THE GOOGLE THAT`S SHOWING MIRROR TO US, LETS HEAR FROM HORSE MOUTH I.E WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM ABT OURSELVES.

Source:

http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Global%20Competitiveness%20Report/index.htm

Comparative statistics for India, Pakistan and China:

(These ranks are of the member countries of WEF’s 125 countries).

OVERALL GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS FOR 2006-07

INDIA (43) - PAKISTAN (91) - CHINA (54).

These follwing parameters wud determine our medium as well as long-term outlooks for the respective countries.

Parameter Rank
(Indian-Pakistan-China)

Institutions 34-79-80
Infrastructure 62-67-60

Macroeconomy 88-86-6

Health & Primary Education 93-108-55



Higher Education & Training 49-104-77


Market Efficiency 21-54-56

Technological Readiness 55-89-75

Business Sophistication 25-66-65

Innovation 26-60-46


Anybody who`s familiar with management education wud know that Michael Porter is to Marketing as Newton is to Physics. This is what he said this year at Davos:

``INDIA, says Michael E. Porter, a Harvard Business School professor and expert on competitiveness. China is exporting massively, but ``it`s still adding relatively little value,`` he says. Moreover, China`s companies tend not to be very profitable, and there is a dearth of Chinese brands. By contrast, ``India is further along in building a productive business environment,`` Porter said. ``It has talented high-end people with deep expertise in IT, software, pharmaceuticals. It has the opportunity to go much further.``

(source: http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/printout/0,13155,901060206-1154161,00.html)

My own observation as a student of economics is that India can outpace China in the long run as we are ranked behind them ONLY in Health and primary Education. Mind u that we are just bad as China in infrastructure in terms of ranking but not that bad as it was imagined. INDIA IS AHEAD OF CHINA (FORGET ABT THE FORSAKEN BROTHER PAKISTAN) IN ALL PARAMETERS OF LONG TERM GROWTH.

Instead of taking pride in India, the forsaken brothers, the Pakistanis - like the legeanday Mir Jaffer did - bat for Chinese and spike Indians.

muslims are backward in Englsand too....or anywhere else....it is time for them to change....instead of creating such cesspool where they are encouraged to breed

Why is it that when someone writes a piece instead of disagreeing logically we prefer to attack the person and his/her credentials or personality.

For a change read the article dispassionately and then argue....

Personally I agree with Aparna`s views and I think it takes a lot of guts as a person, and especially as an Indian (and that too a Indian Hindu) to write what she has written.

Keep it up!!!

http://www.afmi.org/

while we are rightfully concerned about developmental status of indian muslims from lower economic backgrouds, we should also be concerned about the same from pakistan and china, more so in china, because they are not ruled by muslims. since the chinese chief is coming to islamabad, i am sure there will be strong protests lamenting abysimal developmental level of hui and uighur muslim minorities AND religious opression. power to those protesters, who are doing this even if china is developing the paki Gudadwar.

Romair,

(yet i have worked with indian sikhs and christians, quite often, but never end up running into indian muslims....... )

Most Indian Sikh and Christian communities are a fairly well-educated and prosperous communities ( at least by Indian standards) and you would find a fairly large number of them in most organisations in India as well among NRIs. Indian Muslims are by and large drawn from illiterate and backward communities and so you would find very few of them even in Indian corporates. But again even among Muslims you would come across certain communities such as Bohras who have done very well. For instance, Premji (WIPRO), Khorakiwalas (WOCKHARDT) and Hamied (CIPLA).

(shameless hindu, who is killing Muslims in the north and razing their mosques in the south, )

Don`t worry the horrible Hanud will get you in Pakistan too, in Bajaur for example.

Regards

Re:simon_templar#466

[..But I have to credit the shameless hindu, who is killing Muslims
in the north and razing their mosques in the south, but still trying
to discredit the 2-Nation Theory!. ....]

Sirjee, go easy on the drugs that you are smoking. Who the hell is killing muslims in the north and razing mosques in the south? Do you have any proof or are you just barfing on the internet?

Have you heard of Pres. Abdul Kalam, Shahrukh Khan and Azim Premjee? They are the top people in Indian Politics, Indian Cinema and Indian Business (Chairman of Wipro) and they are all muslims.

It is people like you who have no information about reality that have caused so much grief and violence in the subcontinent. People like you fueled the Two Nation Theory whose carcinogenic effects are visible to this day. People like you create mindless paranoia and whip people into a frenzy of hatred, triggering communal violence and bloody partitions. Shame on you!!

#466 by Simon_Templar

[All of it has come to pass and then some: the institutional racism,
the cultural segregation, the frequent massacres and orgies of
everyday murder, rape and beatings. The depiction in media of
a Muslim is far worse than of blacks under slavery in the west.
The indian Muslim is paying the rent for those of us, who were
lucky to migrate to Pakistan. ]

Dear Simon,

Why can`t the rest of your brothers and sisters in India be so lucky? Why don`t they start walking westward? It`s not worth it, living like this, in India.

You are a true Muslim. Like your brothers Tahmed, HP, Mantolives etc. One can only hope that Hindus, Christians, and the rest of them can learn the true meaning of compassion and peace that is but second nature for you Muslims. And Muhammad started it all with his divine and compassionate ways. Kind of like Buddha, only FAR better.

And the sooner the better. This is the least we can do for the future of our children or grandchildren.

Good wishes.....

It`s sad, that Muslims of British India were denied appropriate
land and resources to house them all. Instead, what we got was
a (according to Jinnah) ``moth-ridden`` Pakistan for half of them.
The prescient Muslim Leaguers at the time could see the writing
on the wall, of what would become of Muslims who would have
to live with the hindus.

All of it has come to pass and then some: the institutional racism,
the cultural segregation, the frequent massacres and orgies of
everyday murder, rape and beatings. The depiction in media of
a Muslim is far worse than of blacks under slavery in the west.
The indian Muslim is paying the rent for those of us, who were
lucky to migrate to Pakistan.

The heart is heavy for our oppressed brothers and sisters in india.

But I have to credit the shameless hindu, who is killing Muslims
in the north and razing their mosques in the south, but still trying
to discredit the 2-Nation Theory!. Their brazen greed is unmatched
anywhere else on the planet.

One can only fall to his knees and thank Jinnah, Iqbal and all our
leaders, who fearlessly fought and got, Pakistan for us. Too bad,
we couldn`t get enough, for all.

Sadna,

Don`t try and twist everything to your own silly little agendas...

By accusing Pakistanis for the plight of ``Indian Muslims`` you are refusing to take the responsibility for the plight of your backward minorities... lets stay focused on what i exactly said... instead of letting the auto-pilot of dispossessed Gupta syndrome take over.

arjun2#462
I meant AA in jobs not AA in education as I explain in that same post. That is because AA in entry level jobs usually goes on to mean AA in promotions to higher levels as well (in state jobs in India) which basically means marking out the employee from beginning to end of his/her career.

Ref bulleya #453

[......... my comp sic and engineering dept in a us university, was filled with indian hindus.........half the comp sci faculty was indian hindus........and the number of indian hindu students in all engg and cs depts of the univ. must have been in the hundreds........once again, only two indian muslims...........while the number of pakistanis must have been between 50 to 150..........

.........so as a criteria, if i were to walk into the cs dept of an IIT, and lets say any one graduating class had 200 students.........how many would be indian muslims?

.......would be interested in your objective and politically incorrect view.........]

Years ago, I saw a book on electrical engineering written by an Indian professor in some American university. From his name, it seemed he was from Bihar and a Hindu.

The book`s dedication read: ``To my Father who didn`t live to see his dream of seeing his son graduate from high school``.

One would assume that his father had less than a high school education if his dream was to see his son graduate from high school. Maybe he had none.

What motivated the son to go on and earn a PhD in engineering? Who were his role models? Did he even need one?

I know of two women (one in her early 60s and other in her late 60s) who have earned not one but two doctorates in music. Not the DFA (Doctor of Fine Arts) granted in the US for the study of music and outstanding performance but PhD`s for research work. The older woman earned her degrees late in life and continues to be active in research and is a noted performer. The comparatively younger woman is a musicologist and a professor of music. Both were born in the conservative Tamil Brahmin community that, though known to value education, restricted their girls` studies at the most to high school (during the times these women were growing up). What motivates these women to excel in their chosen profession?

Not to be outdone, the older one`s husband earned a PhD in Sociology when in his early 70s.

All those who are crying societal discrimination ought to look at people like these to recognize why cribbing about one`s station in life is a cheap cop-out.

That applies not just to Indian Muslims but to the entire SC/ST/MBC/BC/OBC/Walking Brain-Dead communities populated by Masanamuthus and Sangilikkaruppans.

PS. You want me to be any more polically incorrect? Because I can certainly accommodate you in that respect.

#457 by sadna on November 16, 2006 4:56pm PT


anil #452
``People entered through Quota are marked and discriminated.``

In my experience, that`s true for jobs


Maybe in govt sector jobs..in the private sector, which is a meritocracy for the most part, people don`t care about shit like that...If I`m a manager, I don`t care that my better and more productive employee went to college through AA...

majmudar #: ........thanks for the info.........the statistics you have mention map directly on to the statistics i have seen here in north american IT..........it`s strange........sikhs form such a small amount of the indian population as do christians.........yet i have worked with indian sikhs and christians, quite often, but never end up running into indian muslims.......

Romair,

(if i were to walk into the cs dept of an IIT, and lets say any one graduating class had 200 students.........how many would be indian muslims? .......would be interested in your objective and politically incorrect view.........)

To answer your question. In my batch in engineering (Delhi Univ.) of the total strength of 320, there were only two Muslims. At B-school (IIM-LKO), of the total strength of 120, there were again only two Muslims (1.7% against 15% pop.). Incidentally one of them was a Lucknow Shia and a Keralite Muslim- better educated communities among Muslims. But 2 Parsis (way out of proportion to their population) and about 4-5 Sikhs and Christians apiece (again ahead of their pop %). IMs have lagged behind, because of a number of factors including the fact that they are largely drawn from the lower classes but there is no (excessive at least) discrimination against minorities as such.

Regards