Indian Muslims

Re: # 112
that would the cat amongst the piegeons....a brilliant suggestion.

Re: # 108

nasah,

``did you know 35% of your evangelicals also voted for the Democrats...! ``

.......... you should tell that to captain clueless who thinks that the evangelicals are all mindless monsters driven on by charlatans like ted haggard and pat robertson ........

Re: # 112 Ali

Mashallah. That is the best thing I`ve read today. As a matter of fact I suggest that such previlge should be extended to Bangldeshi, Burmese, and Afghan workers too. A borderless Economic Union of Muslim lands is how it is going to be - may be not in our lifetime but it inevitably will be.

Re: # 109
The Muslims do have a political party. It is called the Indian Union Muslim League. But like many other parties they are full of people who would rather line their pockets and exploit their own co-religionists if possible.
Few Hindus or Sikhs or Christians have come up by supporting religiously affiliated political parties.
Wearing your religion on your sleeve is only likely to make things more difficult.

TIME Asia mag puts everything in a chart...

The Gujrat massacre is missing from this graphic, but we get the picture.

All other things being equal, muslims do worse than non-muslims from the subcontinent in Uk and the US.

Pakis can spin that anyway they want it but that`s just a fact...

If muslims are behind, the fault lies with muslims....

#83 by HisExcellency on November 8, 2006 10:38pm PT

alot of what you wrote i agree with. apart from political empowerment of UK muslims, the isolation of some UK muslims is largely self-imposed, there are no impediments to their progress, i.e no hostile majority, to give you one example of how liberal UK is 50% of afro-caribeans are married or living with white-brits.

i think things will certainly change in the future, there is a quite revolution taking place in the pak-brits in the field of education, with 38% of school leavers going on to university, and there is no affirmative action in uk, so they are doing it on merit.

The statistics

Industry and labour
· Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are two and a half times more likely to be unemployed than the white population and three times more likely to be on low pay
· Average earnings among Muslim men are 68% that of non-Muslim men
· Three-quarters of Bangladeshi and Pakistani children live in households earning less than half the average income
· 25% of Pakistani men are self-employed compared with 11% of white men
· 65% of Bangladeshis are semi-skilled manual workers compared with 23% among other ethnic minorities and 15% among white Britons
· 54% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi homes receive income support, three times other households

Welfare
· 28% of older Pakistani and Bangladeshi people live in homes without central heating
· 38% live in overcrowded homes. They are three times as likely not to have a phone at home than non-Muslims
· Number of Muslims in prison: 4,298, 7% of the male population and 3% of female

Health
· Perinatal mortality rate among Pakistani mothers is 16%, twice the UK average
· 18% of Pakistanis are diagnosed with chest pains or heart disease, compared with 14% of Sikhs, and 8% of Hindus
· 20% of Muslims report a long-standing illness, compared with 16% for Hindus and Sikhs


Education
· There are four Muslim schools in the state sector, though many more private schools
· The percentage of Pakistani and Bangladeshi girls taking A levels in 1998 was more than double that of white boys
· Bangladeshi and Pakistani children with unemployed parents are more likely to enter higher education than their white counterparts
· In 2000, 30% of Pakistani students gained five or more good GCSEs, compared with 50% in the population as a whole


Politics
· There are two Muslim MPs: Khalid Mahmood (Labour, Birmingham Perry Barr) and Mohammed Sarwar (Labour, Glasgow Govan)
· Four Muslim peers: Lord Ahmed, Baroness Uddin, Lord Patel and Lord Alli
· One Muslim MEP: Bashir Khanbhai (Conservative, Eastern Region)


Economics
· There are 5,400 Muslim millionaires (measured by cash and stocks but not property)
· 77% of Pakistani and 45% of Bangladeshi households are owner-occupiers
· 43% of Bangladeshis live in council or housing association properties - 50% higher than the national average


· Sources: Muslim Council of Britain; Muslim News, Population Trends, Autumn 2001, ONS: `The sizes and characteristics of ethnic populations of Great Britain; Performance & Innovation Unit, Cabinet Office - Ethnic Minorities in the Labour Market; Q News; Datamonitor; Institute of Islamic Banking and Insurance; BBC; FT; Muslim Directory; Salaam Muslim Information Resources; Runnymede Trust; Dr Aziz Shaikh, Imperial College School of Medicine - Caring for Muslim patients; Muncipal Year Book.

#119 by aslam644 on November 9, 2006 2:07pm PT

According the the stats posted below, muslim girls seem to be doing very well...could this, perhaps, have something to do with the fact that they`re not big on victimization and as likely to want to get educated as the men are likely to do some silly jihadi thing?

Re: # 121
arjun
it certainly seems like that, on the whole girls do well from all backgrounds, white, sikhs, hindus, one of my female cousin is at oxford university and another one is emigrating to new zealand to get away from her strict parents.

#122 by aslam644 on November 9, 2006 2:26pm PT

which proves the point...it`s the culture of victimization, something the girls haven`t fallen victim to..

what blew me over was pakis voting for George Galloway`s party because he said the right things on iraq, afghanistan and palestine...WTF!! should, maybe, the number 1 issue be the bad education or income numbers? shouldn`t fixing that be more important for ``respect`` than iraq or the islamist issue-du-jour...

This is what a prominent IM intellectual S Ubaidur Rehman, author of Understanding Muslim Leadership in India, has to say about IM leadership...

Full Interview

Excerpts...

Q. Do you see a Muslim leadership in India?

A. Mostly the Muslim leadership does not represent the Muslim community, but the political parties on whose symbol they fight elections...

You would never come across a Muslim leader who talks of issues like education, economic development, employment for unemployed Muslim youth and establishment of institutions of higher learning and professional institutions for the youth of the community...

Another major problem for the Muslim community in India is the overwhelming influence of the clergy on the Muslim society here.

Had their been an effective Muslim leadership, it would have certainly taken up issue of police harassment of Muslims in states like Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh besides, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh where police and anti-terrorist squads have been given a free hand to pick any Muslim youth or activist on whimsical charges. It is a very tough time for Muslims in those states, especially for young Muslims.

Q. There are efforts being made in UP to bring all Muslim parties under one umbrella, what are your opinion about it and how it should be done so that coalition can survive even after the elections?

A. With coalition politics taking roots in India, even small parties with two, three MLAs and MPs are able to negotiate better deals for their supporters. In this respect the idea is no doubt a hope for millions of Muslims across the country including for the Muslims in UP...

But the community must see as to whether the people who have initiated the move have any influence in the community. Have they done anything on grassroots level? Or they aim to merely cut into the votes of Muslims to enable a particular party win more seats. Ahmad Bukhari, the imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi who is in the forefront of such move in UP has made unprecedented compromises in the past.

...Interview (continued)

Q. Why do we see conditions of Muslims in South India is much better than North Indian Muslims?

A. Historically the South Indian Muslims have not faced the sort of upheavals faced by their fellow community members in the north. The partition affected almost the whole of north India severely...

Muslims in north India due to some historical factors and partly due to the lack of initiative failed to do much in the field of education. If we leave Jamia Hamdard aside, even Delhi does not have a single professional college managed by Muslims...

The other important factor was the lack of government bias against Muslims in most South Indian states. Muslims have reservation in jobs in Karnataka and Kerala, whereas despite their known backward status they do not have reservation in any north Indian state.

re: aslam644 #119

I agree with your commentary about UK Muslims, especially Pakistani Brits (PBs). Self-inflicted backwardness is unique to this group of Pakistanis. Pakistani Americans are generally richer and/or better educated than PBs.

Probably because most PBs belonged to the lower-income & uneducated class in Pakistan before they moved to the UK. They went with a backward mindset, and didn`t have to vision to change it. Now the next generation is trying to change things. Most young PBs don`t look up to their parents as role models.

#125 by HisExcellency on November 9, 2006 2:41pm PT


even Delhi does not have a single professional college managed by Muslims


That`s right...because we all know muslims can only do ok when the colleges are managed by muslims...and muslims can`t be represented by non-muslims...

gee..wonder what muslims will say if we reverse that logic...what if a majority of christians say they`re discriminated against unless their rep is a christian...

Re: # 127

Arjun2:

That is not true, while I was student in late 60s, Delhi College in Ajmeri Gate was managed by muslims. This college has a history, Bahadur Shah Zafar used to organize his mehfils in this historic place.

Anil