Musharraf Stirring the Pot in the Tribal Area—Why?

#27 by taikonaut

Because most of these Bengali deaths and rapes occurred in the Hindustani camps. So many years have gone by and no one has produced mega-mass-graves, or even tiny concentration camps. Hutu-tutsi debacle produced one million corpses in the rivers. There was no such equivalent even though the reported deaths in East Pakistan were 3 times larger.

Funy how you`re asking for evidence of mass graves to exonerate the Paki Army from charges of genocide, yet allege without any proof whatsoever that most Bengali deaths happened in Indian camps.

#27 by taikonaut

Because most of these Bengali deaths and rapes occurred in the Hindustani camps. So many years have gone by and no one has produced mega-mass-graves, or even tiny concentration camps. Hutu-tutsi debacle produced one million corpses in the rivers. There was no such equivalent even though the reported deaths in East Pakistan were 3 times larger.

Funy how you`re asking for evidence of mass graves to exonerate the Paki Army from charges of genocide, yet allege without any proof whatsoever that most Bengali deaths happened in Indian camps.

Re: # 26 ``And just how did Indians rape B`deshis worse than Paks did?``

Because most of these Bengali deaths and rapes occurred in the Hindustani camps. So many years have gone by and no one has produced mega-mass-graves, or even tiny concentration camps. Hutu-tutsi debacle produced one million corpses in the rivers. There was no such equivalent even though the reported deaths in East Pakistan were 3 times larger.

It is time that we did a serious research of deaths and rapes. At least we need to find out via DNA analysis as to how many BDeshis are the product of those ``millions`` of rapes. Unless off course Pakistanis were firing ``blanks``.

BTW Hrish_hyd are you from BDesh?

#22 by zeemax

Now they know it was General Yahya`s army and the kala-angrez bureaucracy at the time who carried out the pogrom against Bengalis, and not the Pak people; which thrust them into the Indians lap who raped them even worse.

And just how did Indians rape B`deshis worse than Pakis did?

Re: # 23 Dear Babu Raam, Abraham Lincoln didn`t give ``autonomy`` to the South, nor is SriLanka giving independence to its Tamil region. Look what Tajik and Uzbek Generals did to Afghan Pashtuns. 1000`s of Pashtoons were killed in overstuffed containers. Still Afghanistan is a country.

Countries whether democratic or autocratic usually are not in the business of handing out autonomies. Hello! That is why they are called countries and not UNO.

Just ask your chaha Nehru as to why he was so constipated about Kashmir. Every piece of a country be it next door or next mile, is atoot ang. UK didn`t let Faukland go out of its hand, nor do Russians treat Chechnians ``autonomically`` (my word).

So forget about broadcasting this charade about Hindipendance from Hindustan.

East Pakistan was an internationally recognized region with specific borders and demarcation. Pakistan tried to hang on to it as long as it could, while Hindustan sent in 60,000 guerrillas to help improve ``peace and harmony`` in East Bengal. Just read the what Manikshaw had to say about Indira`s black role in perpetrating atrocities during the dark days of 1971. Moreover India could not have been able to digest it. The price would have been too big.

The bottom line is that Sh. Mujib was a leader (sometimes in jail but still in good health and ``alive``). While the same Sh. Mujib, his boys, his girls, his uncles, and aunts everyone was turned into a pile of minced meat right in the middle of BDesh. Only Husina survived. Who are you going to blame the total annihilation of Sh. Mujib and his family. I am sure you would blame Hindustan for that.

You can smirk about 3 million dead. However you won`t be able to produce a single gas chamber, even a tiny concentration camp, or Hutu-Tutsi style floating corpses. Bengalis who died in those days mostly died in Hindustani camps. So the blame goes to whomever was controlling those camps.

Pakistani and Hindustani armies come from the same stock and they are known for their discipline the world over. There may be one bad apple in Kashmir, or Sierra Leon, or may be BDesh. However no one can accuse Pakistani or Indian army for genocide and rapes.

So let these lectures reserved for your own oppressed people from Nagaland to Kashmir. And please let us sort out issues on our side of the border. Thank you.

Raam Raam Babu Ji.

Zeemax sahib,

The Bdeshis hate India so much that a million of them cross over to come to India every year.

Regards

Re: # 22

If Pakistan had granted East Pakistan maximum autonomy or even independence India would not be in the picture. In any case India is not occupying Bangladesh.

#21 by CoolAL

CoolAl, I respect your emotional abuse. It is but an emotional subject. Yes, Pak did commit atrocities, I never denied that. Pak did kill university intellectuals and dumped them in mass graves ... and there were raped bengali women, and kids shot to death. I don`t deny any of it.

What I`m saying is that the Bengalis now know the larger picture. Their independence got them nothing except loot and plunder by India whom they believed to be their saviours. Now they know it was General Yahya`s army and the kala-angrez bureaucracy at the time who carried out the pogrom against Bengalis, and not the Pak people; which thrust them into the Indians lap who raped them even worse. They realize very well that Pak people still cry tears of blood over this. Bangladeshis, in case you didn`t know, are an extremely intelligent people.

My argument is that we all know who is the enemy. India in short. If you don`t know that remaining on these boards, you never will. Unless of-course you`re an Indian. In that case, good luck. I mean that.

Sh. Mujib yes ... looked towards India and got what he deserved, and after him the Indians pulled up even the rail tracks in B`Desh and sold them for scrap. So that`s the lesson B`Deshis learnt that pak was levying taxes on petrol in W. Pak for them in their time of distress while their liberator India stripped them naked without mercy.

And now, my friend, I know as a personal fact by associating with B`Deshis in my line of work that they go to great lengths in reminding us they were at one time part of Pak. Surprising, but true. We try to avoid the painful subject but they keep coming out with this E.Pak thing in trying to show kinship. ..

I have never seen a more shameless, dishonest, utterly despicable person on this planet befoe this AH. At least be a man and admit what your so called faujis perpetrated in Bangladesh. Don`t try to whitewash it like a castrated coward...

Read all about what caused the bengalis distress you shameless SOB...From your own chowk no less...

Operation Searchlight

#19 by taikonaut

Where does India come in on this? Hey ... you`re getting delusional. The last person the Tribals want to have anything to do with is India. Don`t you know? Sh. Mujib yes ... looked towards India and got what he deserved, and after him the Indians pulled up even the rail tracks in B`Desh and sold them for scrap. So that`s the lesson B`Deshis learnt that pak was levying taxes on petrol in W. Pak for them in their time of distress while their liberator India stripped them naked without mercy.

And now, my friend, I know as a personal fact by associating with B`Deshis in my line of work that they go to great lengths in reminding us they were at one time part of Pak. Surprising, but true. We try to avoid the painful subject but they keep coming out with this E.Pak thing in trying to show kinship.

But we`re not talking about E.Pak. We`re talking about the FATA. Let`s keep these valiant patriots on our side. If you don`t, you will live to regret it. Think my friend. They have Afghanistan to go to because their friends the Taliban will prevail over there, but we`ll lose our friends FATA, and gain fearless enemies.

Re: # 18 by zeemax on November 20, 2006 6:53am PT
sez ``repeat the same mistake you made in E.Pak?``.

Here comes E. Pak.

Ok dude, just two questions for ya!

Who is going to to do the bidding for Hindus this time?
Are you going to be the Sh. Mujib?

Anyone lecturing us with B`Desh, should remember that Sh. Mujib, his family`s men, women, kids, everyone was turned into a pile of minced meat. Only one member survived. And yes! the bad deed was done by none other than the BDeshis themselves.

Sh. Mujib was a hero and a leader in Pakistan. Had he played his cards right, had he been a little patient, he would have been the leader of a a large country. Instead he embarked on the politics of terror and mayhem, and ended up under a lot of rubble soon after Pak army left BDesh.

And why to go back to the past? Look at the present. Just pick up the newspapers and see what`s happenin in Sonar Bangla these days.

So do not threaten us with 1971. You may get what Sh. Mujib got.

#17 by taikonaut

Noone threatened anyone with bombings before this event. Did they? What`s happening is a reaction to the totally uncalled for extra judicial massacre of Pakistani citizens who were never a threat to Pak. It may well be that they were going back and forth to fight with Taliban on the other side but even then, so what? The tribals do NOT recognise the Durand line, and consider South Afghanistan their home as much as their side of the border. For them, there is simply no border and it is included in their constitutional freedoms that they can go back and forth without any travel documents but just a local card. Perfectly legal.

And Gen Musharraf has only learnt the bitter lesson in Waziristan therefore back to the negotiating table and therefore this statement. Further, this statement has unwittingly provided the proof that it wasn`t the Pak`s doing but the usual american heavy-handedness which Pak had no chopice but to cover-up.

Re the Bajori Mullah Liaqat, no doubt he was a local Taliban. But you have to understand that Taliban is NOT a terrorist outfit and merely represents deeply religious tribal people on both sides of the border. Why do you find it beneath your dignity or so difficult to talk to them? Why do you want to kill them all? These are your own citizens BTW. Do you want to repeat the same mistake you made in E.Pak?

Re: # 16 by zeemax on November 20, 2006 0:29am PT

``Gen Musharraf has declared that the war against Taliban ................``

First you threaten the rest of Pakistan with Arab-style suicide bombing, and now you are quoting / agreeing with Gen. Musharraf?

Are you agreeing (or denying) that Bajori Mullah Liaqat was a Talibanic meance?

#15 by taikonaut

It is strange that while even Gen Musharraf has declared that the war against Taliban in Afghanistan is unwinnable through military action alone, you are of the opinion that it is winnable on Pak side of the border?

Re: # 14 Bajor tribals are more than welcome to look for their own interests. In fact Mullah Flowerbody (Gulbadan) Hikmatyar is already doing it on the other side of the border. Precisely this style of ``protecting the interests`` has utterly destroyed Kabul, Kandhar, and Jalalabad.

Bajori Mullah Liaqat was an agent of the terrorists Bin Laden and Zawahiri. These Mullahs from Bajore and Wazirastan have sold their soul to communists and Indians, and happily married off their women to Arabs. Thanks to these illicit unions, they have been killing their brothers from Afridi, Hazara, and Punjabi tribes.

Suicide bombing is an Arab trait that Bajoris just used against their brothers outside an army base. What else could one expect from them?

You appear to threaten the rest of the country with cowardly suicide bombings. That sure is a possibility. We may see more terrorism a la Middle Eastern style where ``smart`` tribals express their anger by killing their own brothers. The same tribals have apparently exploded bombs in Peshawar and Lahore during Communits invasion too.

However we will protect (as long as we could) our cities of Peshawar, Bannu, and Kohat from turning into bombed out copies of Kabul. And yes we have to protect ourselves with iron resolve unlike those Afghani communists.

#13 by taikonaut

Pak has made a terrible mistake for which it will have to pay very dearly. Whatever TNSM or Sufi Mohammad may be, they have tremendous public support in their areas. It is a direct result of disenfranchisement by the Pakistani state that the Bajaur tribals have learnt not to expect anything from Pakistan but to look after their interests in their own way. Regardless, however, their overall loyalties remained with Pakistan ... i.e. till now.

There is little doubt that the 82 killed in the madrassa were all innocent students and their teachers. No arms or explosives or any other military type gear was found or made public in that supposedly `terrorist` camp. Of-course, Pakistan has succeeded in making them `terrorists` now and that too against Pakistan, not anyone else. Brilliant!

The spate of bombings in Peshawar and Lahore is sufficient evidence of an oncoming civil confrontation, which only the most naive will underestimate. It is a tragedy of monumental proportions, the impact of which will be clear in time to come.

Anyone who knows the Pushtoon tribals will agree to the age old adage that ``You can take them to hell through friendly persuasion, but they won`t accompany you even to heaven if it is by force.``