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Musharraf Stirring the Pot in the Tribal Area—Why?

Karamatullah K Ghori November 16, 2006

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#1 Posted by HP on November 16, 2006 11:25:13 am

This is no analysis. It is vitriol against Musharaf and politically motivated. It belongs to some partisan magazine.



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#2 Posted by ShoreSahib on November 16, 2006 11:36:00 am
Ghori Sahib,
First a quick question? When did you write this article....I ask because of your forecasting of the November 7th US mid term electorial results.

Why do you think it is a bad idea for the Government of Pakistan to meddle in the tribal areas. Perhaps not in the way of bombing them, but better control of the tribal areas would mean that the masses would be liberated from the antiquity they live in and moved to a more modern time.


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#3 Posted by arjun2 on November 16, 2006 11:49:56 am

Eye- witness accounts speak of American unmanned aircraft, the stealthy drone, raining down several of those dreadful ‘hell-fire’ missiles
Several eye-witnessed accounts also speak of the Pakistan army gun-ships arriving on the scene, at least a good 15 to 20 minutes after the American blast and firing a few rockets into the surrounding hills.


Yup...The paki army thinks better to look like impotents who managed to fire something than impotents who can do squat about the CIA drones...
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#7 Posted by bbabu on November 17, 2006 11:06:05 am
Re: # 4

Khasis are a ethnic group living in North East India. I hope you are not slandering them :-)
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#4 Posted by HP on November 16, 2006 11:58:15 am

``One wonders what Charles may have inferred from macho Musharraf blatantly upping the political ante in the most sensitive region of Pakistan to mesh with the royal visit?``


Who cares what Prince Charles thinks. This is a typical slavish approach by people born in Bihar and influenced by Khasi traditions of central India.

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#5 Posted by majumdar on November 16, 2006 8:54:35 pm
HP sain,

Your choppers bomb and strafe your own countrymen at the behest of Americans and you are venting your anger on the poor Khasis (sic) of Bihar.

Regards


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#6 Posted by aquaris on November 17, 2006 3:33:03 am


....How about the Lure of Bounty Money.....!!!


They have already scopped up ........

about 6 to 7 Billions Dollars of It....!!

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#8 Posted by HP on November 17, 2006 1:01:52 pm
#5 Dada,

If you hit them, you are doing American bidding. If you negotiate with them, you are helping them. Classic catch 22....The irony must amuse someone...

Btw, if these guys were really planning some terrorist acts, a little pre-emption is not bad from the Pak army. What gives credence to the Pak army is that these guys from Bajour actually sent people to retaliate against the army. So, there really was something cooking in Bajour...

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#9 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 17, 2006 10:16:33 pm
The authour seems to have Malice towards Gen. Musharaff. General in very difficult situation is trying to wrestle contol from terrorist and establish law and order which is very important and some ties in such situation there is law and order but no justice. The writer should understand even if he does not like military rule he represents pakistan. And people should keep this thing in mind. Things are not easy for any body to critic army rule is very easy but is there any other betterway? Democracy demise was tragedy but then democracy is farce and has no value. The poeple of Pakistan was army rule to continue up 20012 and give second term to Present president. There is lots of problems all around. In B.Stan there going national disintegration and terrorist forces are blowing up electric pylons and gas lines and now rails to disrupt and attacks on national assets. Tribal talibans of pakistani verson are trying to establish parrarel govt and make GOP redundant. So how general can allow them such things, he can not. As a president it is his constitunional duty to not allow any other governing bodies. General has big plans for pakistan, where it will become enevy of subcontinental countries. He can not allow tribal to become overlord. Please give next 6 years to present president to give results.
future Pakistan is becoming transit for oil, gas and refinaries and hydrocarbon processing of giant special at big port G. Soon refineries will be built bigger than jamnagar of India. They are designing refineries which can process light as well as heavy Arabian crudes with large sulphur and by products of distillation it self be 5 billion dollars. Three refineris are on drawing for specially high speed disel and also fertilizer plants based on Iranian and Turkmen natural gas. This huge pipe lines converging fron gulf and Iran and cental are coming at big Gport. This is going to require huge digging and laying pipelines. All big earth movers want to be pakistan to have part of this big projects. Now China president is coming for 7 days while spend only 3 days India, real snub from super power.
To have this possible need stopping of terrorism or pipe lines will burst, so GOP is getting hard with terrorist. Talibani terrorist are holding economic future of country, so one can understand armys explosive response.
I hope this clarifies why terrorist not be tolerated and should be faught on groung, on water and in air. And army is doing same in this some things go wrong, in big fire both dry and wet grass burns and land becomes clear. Hope few more people will agree with me. Part of Sabse Pehala Pakistan id liquidation of Talibani terrorist and fellow travellers. Let us support state of pakistan and general for his fight for preservation of nation and frustrate terrorist people.
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#10 Posted by majumdar on November 18, 2006 2:04:09 am
HP sain,

It is OK with me either ways, whether u bomb them or make love with them, just don`t bring in the natives of the state where I was born into the picture.

Regards

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#11 Posted by arjun2 on November 18, 2006 8:12:59 am
#8 by HP on November 17, 2006 1:01pm PT

Goatbrain...still living in denial...It was the CIA that bombed the madrassah...the paki army helicopters came afterwards...and they bombed a few hills so they would like like impotents who got off a few shots rather than just plain impotents...
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#12 Posted by Simon_Templar on November 18, 2006 5:03:06 pm
Ghouri is a former ambassador (ie; bureaucrat) who is naturally
averse to force, but in this instance, force, overwhelming force,
is the only language that these hillbillies understand.

The source of all trouble in Afghanistan and Pak side of the border
is Heroin Money. Billions of dollars being pumped into the Taliban
coffers, which is then used to corrupt the Pashtun in the tribal belt.
Brand new jeeps, guns, rockets, bullets are being bought to finance
the jihad against NATO forces and occasionally these are turned
against FC checkposts in Pakistan. This has to be checked.

Musharraf is spot-on, that our biggest challange of tommorow is
not from Al-Qaida, but the Talibans. Pakistan must crush any
attempt to `Talibanize` Pakistani territory.

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#13 Posted by taikonaut on November 19, 2006 6:55:50 am
The author says and I quote ``God wishes to destroy, He makes them blind first``. What if we apply the same blindness test on Sufi Mohammad or Mullah Liaqat and this sycophantic organization called ``TSNM or Tehrike Nifaze Sharaite Mohammd``? FYI TNSM has wrecked havoc in Malakand for many many years. These blind Mullahs who led other tribal blinds into battles with American troops. The blind were equipped with latest weapons such as axes, AK47 who tried to defeat ``Gora Amreekee`` in Kabul. Few daisy cutters and the Talibanic friends of these ``blind`` TNSMis ran from Kabul with their tails behind the legs. While TNSMi blinds got stuck in Kabul and then brought so much shame to Pakistan.

It is sad to see such essays who are nothing but old lefties trying to stir up trouble in FATA and NWFP. So far Pak army has been able to stop their tribal kins. God forbid the day Pak army fails, our cities like Bannu, Kohat, and Mardan will become as ``beautiful`` as Talibanic Leftie bombed out models like Jalabad, Kabul, and Kandhar.

May Allah save Pakistan from this unholy alliance of lefties and tribal Mullahs.
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#15 Posted by taikonaut on November 19, 2006 1:39:05 pm
Re: # 14 Bajor tribals are more than welcome to look for their own interests. In fact Mullah Flowerbody (Gulbadan) Hikmatyar is already doing it on the other side of the border. Precisely this style of ``protecting the interests`` has utterly destroyed Kabul, Kandhar, and Jalalabad.

Bajori Mullah Liaqat was an agent of the terrorists Bin Laden and Zawahiri. These Mullahs from Bajore and Wazirastan have sold their soul to communists and Indians, and happily married off their women to Arabs. Thanks to these illicit unions, they have been killing their brothers from Afridi, Hazara, and Punjabi tribes.

Suicide bombing is an Arab trait that Bajoris just used against their brothers outside an army base. What else could one expect from them?

You appear to threaten the rest of the country with cowardly suicide bombings. That sure is a possibility. We may see more terrorism a la Middle Eastern style where ``smart`` tribals express their anger by killing their own brothers. The same tribals have apparently exploded bombs in Peshawar and Lahore during Communits invasion too.

However we will protect (as long as we could) our cities of Peshawar, Bannu, and Kohat from turning into bombed out copies of Kabul. And yes we have to protect ourselves with iron resolve unlike those Afghani communists.
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#14 Posted by zeemax on November 19, 2006 10:54:00 am
#13 by taikonaut

Pak has made a terrible mistake for which it will have to pay very dearly. Whatever TNSM or Sufi Mohammad may be, they have tremendous public support in their areas. It is a direct result of disenfranchisement by the Pakistani state that the Bajaur tribals have learnt not to expect anything from Pakistan but to look after their interests in their own way. Regardless, however, their overall loyalties remained with Pakistan ... i.e. till now.

There is little doubt that the 82 killed in the madrassa were all innocent students and their teachers. No arms or explosives or any other military type gear was found or made public in that supposedly `terrorist` camp. Of-course, Pakistan has succeeded in making them `terrorists` now and that too against Pakistan, not anyone else. Brilliant!

The spate of bombings in Peshawar and Lahore is sufficient evidence of an oncoming civil confrontation, which only the most naive will underestimate. It is a tragedy of monumental proportions, the impact of which will be clear in time to come.

Anyone who knows the Pushtoon tribals will agree to the age old adage that ``You can take them to hell through friendly persuasion, but they won`t accompany you even to heaven if it is by force.``
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#17 Posted by taikonaut on November 20, 2006 5:48:29 am
Re: # 16 by zeemax on November 20, 2006 0:29am PT

``Gen Musharraf has declared that the war against Taliban ................``

First you threaten the rest of Pakistan with Arab-style suicide bombing, and now you are quoting / agreeing with Gen. Musharraf?

Are you agreeing (or denying) that Bajori Mullah Liaqat was a Talibanic meance?

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