Indian Scholarships for Outstanding Pakistani Students

#359 touche!! you got the douchebag with that!! :-)

Re: # 354

Urstruly
[aspect of knowledge ``If you don`t know where you are going, you will probably never get there``.]

The unkown path teaches as much as the unkown destination. -)

HP

Why should we have only one value system? We have several, you are free to choose from them. Our banias believe in profit, our teachers believed in knowledge. It was the choice that was taken away over a period of time, the freedom to choose. Not any more.
So all that ideology rubbish is not for us.

Now think of something better to do than discuss all this high faultin` stuff. -)
Good food for instance with or without heeng.

Re: # 339 Urstruly

(,,,,, That is the sole reason that we should avoid Indian scholarships or Indian education at all, like a plague. )

Good riddance.

(... Indian education system.... boy! it tastes like shyt. )

And how would YOU know that?

Hey Arjun, have you read the FOMC minutes of SR today? The NYC cab medallions are $375,000 a pop ... that`s more than what code coolies earn in a decade .... so the NYC Pak cabbies must be real rich while you slog for peanuts!

#357 by zeemax on November 21, 2006 9:33am PT

If you had read the WSJ instead of finance for cab drivers, you`d have known the difference between amaranth and amarnath..


so much for the paki education system...

#354 Urstruly/Dost,

... 2breads for poor+2 breads for rich= 4 breads required today or in 10 years, is called ``vision`` ...

And when you can calculate the `present value` of the two breads in 10 years by discounting it with the riskless rate and hedging the duration mismatch with forward to forward swaps, only then you`ve really `arrived` !

I got to hand it to Behram for driving a shiv through the Khasi hearts. See, even the Khasi maha Sabahis #350 are here to defend the indefensible.

Urstruly makes an important point and I know most Khasis would miss the importance of it.
Western Values are just another name for the Christian Values that are widely practiced in the West even by non or anti religion westerners. Similarly, the Islamic or the Muslim Value system though not widely practiced, and not as clearly defined as the Christian values have a certain following in the Muslim world. Though with caveats and exceptions. Similarly, Jewish values too have a currency in the followers of that religion but is there any thing that can be referred to as Hindu Values?

There is no historical evidence of anything that can be even loosely termed as Hindu values. If I were to bring Manusumrti or other ancient books that do have some framework for a value system, a majority of Hindus on this site would reject that right away.

The Indian social structure comprehensively rejects the Western Value system. In fact, the Muslims in India ideologically are much closer to the Christian or the western Value system but they too resist it due to a prolonged Hindu influence on the Muslim ethno-religious culture in India.

The attempts by some in the Hindu society to adopt the Western value system has resulted in actually degradation in human relations based on mutual respect. The conflict was highlighted by Gandhi when he tried to push a Value system which he thought was more Hindu in nature but that has actually led to the conflict that we see here in the Hindu lower Middle class representatives on this site.

#352 by swarrier

Come to think of it ... hotel management is a great discipline which is somehow taught best in Austria for some reason ... Even though it is vocational too, but teaches a lot of soft skills ... like how to serve a rich relative who happened along when you`re serving tables ... hmmm.

Dost

Allow me to explain my point with an example.

Having come to know that 2+2=4 is called knowledge.

Using this knowledge to say that 2+2=4 Breads is called ``applied knowledge``

But using the same knowledge to say that 2breads for poor+2 breads for rich= 4 breads required today or in 10 years, is called ``vision`` or ``awareness``.

I know this is a simplistic example, but the point is that the desi education system stops at ``applied knowledge`` level. It does not give vision, and it does not create awareness. You can study all the meteorology all you want but a farmer would just smell the air and he can tell you whetehr it will rain or not-because he is aware and knowledgable.

As far as desi education is concerned about 100% of students take professional education in the hopes of getting a good job; those who go into arts and sciences are considered to be losers. It is a different matter that someone from the later category becomes successful later in life but the general menatality of public is that only professional (read vocational education) is the valid education, rest is what you are stuck with.

In order to cater to this mentality, for the past 60 years, the powers that be and the intelligentia, have only created circumstances that support this mentality. That is the point where ideology comes in and opens up human mind to many possibilities.

While on your side, you have no ideology, on our side we have a different problem. Our problem is that even though we have an ideology that says that ``even if a dog dies thirsty at the banks of river Ravi, the president is responsible``, our country is occupied by a corrupt and amoral class that consider itself above any reproach or accountability. This ideology (that 1 bread each) resides in our veins therefore even though it cannot be taken out of us, but it can be corrupted and distorted. Hence the intelligentia and powers that be in our country try to keep nation into a state of confusion and misdirected. This is even worst than not having an ideology at all. Today, an ordinary Pakistani has no dreams and no hopes for a better governance, better life, and a better society. He thinks that the corruption, lawlessness, and oppression is the fait accompli and there is no escape from that. So Pakistan in a sense is not only deprived of the ``vision or awareness`` state of knowledge but it does not even come close to having capable of ``applied knowldge``. The proof of this is that for the past two decades we have not only been ``importing`` finance ministers but even prime ministers for our country. And people of Pakistan take it lying down, because they think that it is fait accompli and nothing can change that - or even worse they don`t even know what can it change into - no vision.

So this should rebut swarrier`s point that I am propounding a `superiority theory`. On the other hand his post is the very proof of what I am saying when he wrote that ``Are you telling me that in the final sum, the quest to fill one`s stomach is not purposeful?``. In other words he is setting the ultimate usability of knowldege to `applied knowledge` only as I wrote above. There is a saying that should summarize my point in these few words regarding ideological aspect of knowledge ``If you don`t know where you are going, you will probably never get there``.

#346 ``Whatever the legitimacy of Arjun’s viewpoint(s), he usually makes his points and supports those with news items from various sources.``

You are contradicting yourself in the same sentence - i.e., the first part is a disclaimer concerning the legitimacy of his viewpoints; the rest of the sentence claims his views are supported by news items.

The fact is that he gives the pretense of support to his rabid anti-muslim claims by providing some link that does not add up anywhere close to his claims. He is no different than that other Indian luminary on chowk, Jay Thakeray, who would pull out some crime report from a Pakistani newspaper and use that to back his claim that Pakistan was doomed.

So, while I am sorry if the truth offends you - the fact is that one third of Indians on chowk are in need of rabies shots.

Re: # 351
Ah gourmet food, thinking of the tasteless bilge I shall get in the canteen, the thought of gourmet food is very welcome.
I think we need more culinary institutes. Indian education is truly lacking. We had only one college for hotel management in Bombay for a long time, but nothing specialising in cooking.
Such a total disregard for culture. Alas.

#348 by swarrier

Well swarrier, you are the exception ... (I hasten to add) ... which makes the rule (again, at-least on Chowk). Of-course you know none of my frolicking is directed towards you :-)

You say:

....in the final sum, the quest to fill one`s stomach is not purposeful? Then you are moving away from nihilism....

Not at all. Filling one`s stomach is no more or less purposeless than any other quest ..... gourmet food excepting, but that`s another discussion!

Urstruly:

Are you not confusing knowledge with morality and ethics?

As for as knowledge is considered, I don` think that you need any ideology; indeed, I would argue the opposite and suggest that ideology would provide with you some pre-conceived notions which may even prevent you from an unbiased acquisition of knowledge. While I do not accept your holy book as divine, it does have some very valid ideas, one of which is that one should go to any length (the proverbial China) to acquire knowledge.

But education is more than knowledge. As you pointed out correctly perhaps on another board, it depends upon both formal learning and upbringing or tarbiyaat. Even a secular system of education can impart generally accepted notion of ethics, such as not doing to others what you dont want them to do to you.

Whether or not Hinduism provides a system of ethics is another issue. This article is about Indian education system and not what is taught at a Gurukul ashram; I suspect however that the Hindu society is quite eclectic and is willing to accept those ideas from others that it finds attractive.

#346 by bjkumar on November 21, 2006 8:24am PT


what you don`t understand about pakis is that the facts hate the pakis...reality itself is biased against the land of the pure...

you probably also don`t understand the might of google in the hands of Indians.....google has the awesome power to rip the fabric of space-time continuum and make things happen in the past that wouldn`t have happened if the Indians hadn`t searched for them...

for e.g., when Indians search for pakis killing hundreds of thousands of bengalis in 71, the google search changes history in a way that reflects what`s being searched..which is why you see articles about pakis killing a bunch of muslims and not prosecuting anyone...now if these dastardly hindoos hadn`t searched google for that, those events would never have happened...

Re: # 343
Zeemax
Are you telling me that in the final sum, the quest to fill one`s stomach is not purposeful? Then you are moving away from nihilism.
Don`t agree with Urstruly`s pseudo-speak just because he wants to propound his superiority theory. -)

#345 by arjun2 on November 21, 2006 8:16am PT


while I might agree with that sentiment, that`s not my post...