Indian Scholarships for Outstanding Pakistani Students

#445 by behram-baba (P.D.E.)

[Okla, where did you ever find an intelligent Hindoo? ]

Not in a septic tank. Which is where you find intelligent P.E.s from Pakiland.

You find intelligent Hindus in Microsoft, Motorola, NASA etc.

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[They were raised by Indian parents who were a bonafide member of the cheater`s class. Back in the early 50`s and 60`s this group of people became employees of some corporation or became a babujee in some government employment.And then they learned the trick of office politics...]


behram-baba`s parents (he`s not sure which one of the four is his real mother :)), being Paki, never figured out the trick of office politics. So the female members of his family had to resort to turning tricks. Which is how behram-baba (P.E.) was born.

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#442 by krishna_abcd on November 23, 2006 8:33pm PT


#440 by behram-baba (P.E.)


It`s actually behram P.D.E.(Professionally disadvantaged engineer)..Please use his full title...It`ll help assuage his anguish at the fact that he`s just a small time contractor who only gets jobs because of affirmative action...

Circumcised Ch()tiya BeHaraami,

Garbage is ur point. So lets talk in ur lingo i.e garbage. I too like that coz I have a lot of liberty and lot of vocabulary to choose from.

Parsees are dwindling in numbers. Why, they are Neuters, like u. Their arses were kicked in Persia and later in Sanjan. Why they attarct Muslim feet on to their arses.

They were rendered stateless and beg - like u do in Austin - to eke-out a living. Why? They are beggers (btw, this apply to Napak Parsis and Neuters like u, Ch()tiya).

I never had a problem with the Indian Parsis but there are hybirds like u who cud be diff from pure Parsis.

I am clear from what u wrote. 1. U dont know history. 2. U dont have any points to argue.
3. U cling to abuses.

Well. So be it. We are back to sqaure one.

Disrepectfully Submitted, Ch()tiya BeHaraami aka Namak Haraami.

INDIANS: CH()TIYA BE-HARAAMI BE CONDEMNED AS HE DOESNT ARGUE BUT ABUSE. HE NEED TO PAID BACK IN KIND.

Re:#454 by VRV on November 24, 2006 6:04pm PT

[Behram, Lets start the debate with no objectiobale language either from ur or my side.]

Why a sudden change of style? Is this the same trick that hindoos from Hindoo Land are world famous for?

First, it has always been the Hindoos from Hindoo Land who cast the first stone any any discussion, and then your ilk define any bogus argument to your heart`s desire. Then you use Hindoos gangsterism is intimidating a descent interlocutor, and then you call the person all sorts of names, etc.

You think that I get intimidated. You choutia, I cherish such arguments, with the filth of your society. Yes, I work in a field to clean the stinking Hindoos from Hindoo Land on this Chowk. You and your people have no knowledge of history at all.

Let me start all over again. From where it started that Pakistan has the best engineers from South Asia, and they are almost always in their own professional engineering business. Unlike most of Hindoos from Hindoo Land, Pakistanis do not suffer from autism or bipolarism.

Whereas most Hindoos from Hindoo Land have been diagnosed as having autism or are bipolar.

Whereas most Hindoos from Hindoo Land have also been identified as having a low self-esteem and are on constant mode of belligerency.

Whereas most Hindoos from Hindoo Land have no intellectual knowledge whatsoever and they continue to be loquacious without knowing the content of any discussion what soever.

It is also suggested by Wipro`s Azim Premji that his company is now getting into the second, third, and fourth tier engineering colleges to get software engineers who are worth at less than $9,000.00 per year.

Now, that shows that Hindoo Land has fooled the west with sending the lowest of the low level engineers to the western world. This is exactly what the Economist had suggested several months ago. Whereas, for Pakistan nothing but the very best Pakistani graduates have come to the west, and are successful, no matter what that myopic and autist one-liner artist from Hindoo Land suggest.

{What ur point?

What`s this Hindoo Land and what that connote? }

And all of the above is my point. Give respect to any and all things Pakistani, and you will get all the respect from a Zoroastrian from Pakistan. No more Pakistani muslim bashing.

{Ur trip to Bombay in 1970 shud not be the basis for ur commennts now. Does that mean to say that all taxi users in Bombay were Pakistanis? Do u have any formal education?? }

Yes, it is my opinion about Hindoo Land, and I have aright to express what a garbage society Hindoos have created for the world to see.

{Moghals under Akber were looking east for prosperity? Was that Pak history? The reality was that Bengal posting were hated by all Moghal Governors. That was kinda punishment posting. Thats the true picture. If u read the books on India u wud know a place like Surat was burstling with traders from the Middle east and later by Europeans. Calcutta became prominent after the British settled there. }

You can play all kinds of nuances, but the fact remains that British took all the Gujjus to lay railroad tracks in Africa much later. They were successful in getting a hold in Bengal first, and then they came westward. Surat and muslim middle-east traders maybe, but were there any Hindoos to speak of. Hindoos bania were all over the trees with their dhoti hung upside down for the smugglers of middle east to shove up their hiney.

{Prosperity in India was in Gujarat (for many centuries). Gujarat was the surplus province under Mughals. Gujaratis were known mercantile civilisation since the times of Indus Civilisation. }

Yeah, rite. You can continue with your bogus story. What I have seen is that Gujju @ss being kicked in Africa because of their shenanigans? If a society has that many centuries of mercantile values embedded then why are they kicked out every place that they go?

Why have Parsees not been kicked out of any place as of yet?

[Parsees were good slaves to British and loyal Indians at the same time. They changed as they imitated British. Their growth was coterminous with the growth of British in India and that of Bombay city.]

So if it was the British that brought prosperity amongst the Parsee, why have you been claiming constantly about namk harami? eh! Why should I have any allegiance to Hindoos for anything that was not even done by the Hindoos? Your Hindoo brain has definitely got some Restive Brain Syndrome (RBS) (instead of RLS).

[If that was the level of ur logic and arguments......we better bicker at old levels i.e abuses. ]

I have seen your Hindoo level of interactions will almost anybody who has anything good to say about Pakistan. You hate Pakistan, and you know that. It will be a sign of maturity for you and all those Hindoos from Hindoo Land to come out and confess as such.

You are nothing else but a hate mongering Hindoo from Hindoo Land.

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#453 by harimau on November 24, 2006 5:50pm PT

[The earliest trading posts of the Portuguese were also located along the Western coast of India... at Diu, Daman and Goa.]

Here is where a Hindoo chalaki shows. We were discussing British and their way to Hindoo Land was through its eastern ports, precisely because the west was taken over by the Potuguese. The discussion was regarding Parsee making wealth in Surat during British Raj. But, being a stupid tree jumping Hindoo monkey from Hindoo Land, you are only used to jumping into discussions without any context whatsoever.

Behram,

Lets start the debate with no objectiobale language either from ur or my side.

What ur point?

What`s this Hindoo Land and what that connote?

Ur trip to Bombay in 1970 shud not be the basis for ur commennts now. Does that mean to say that all taxi users in Bombay were Pakistanis? Do u have any formal education??

Moghals under Akber were looking east for prsoperity? Was that Pak history? The reality was that Bengal posting were hated by all Moghal Governors. That was kinda punishment posting. Thats the true picture. If u read the books on India u wud know a place like Surat was burstling with traders from the Middle east and later by Europeans. Calcutta became prominent after the British settled there.

Prosperity in India was in Gujarat (for many centuries). Gujarat was the surplus province under Mughals. Gujaratis were known mercantile civilisation since the times of Indus Civilisation.

>>>If Parsee were prosperous in Gujrat, then surely the British would have first ventured towards the western shores of India. But they didn`t.<<<

U dont the alphabets of history. THATS LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE ABVE PARAGRAPH.

Parsees were good slaves to British and loyal Indians at the same time. They changed as they imitated British. Their growth was coterminus with the growth of British in India and that of Bombay city.

U dont have points but cling around the foolish/boorish phrases like Hindoo Land and poverty in Bombay. If u dont know, 1/3rd of the slum dwellers in Bombay are Muslims 9native & Bangladeshi). Even Shiv Sena uses Urdu leaflets to attarct these voters. I dont know if u are mocking the poor people or poverty of the poor Hindus+Muslims.

If that was the level of ur logic and arguments......we better bicker at old levels i.e abuses.

Ref behram1 #451

Man, your understanding of history makes the average Pakistani look like Arnold Toynbee!

[East India Company was formed in Bengal, precisely because Nawab Siraj-ud-daula, and his sultanat knew how to develop prosperity amongst its masses.]

East India Company was formed in London as a trading company to trade with India and the Far East.

[There was no hindoo ruler anywhere for British traders to come except the east coast of India. If Parsee were prosperous in Gujrat, then surely the British would have first ventured towards the western shores of India. But they didn`t. Precisely because those Gujjus were just jumping around trees like monkey. And for all that they had developed ``tarro`` a nauseating drink that could only be extracted before noon to have any affect.]

When the British petitioned Jehangir for permission to open a trading post (they called it a ``factory``.... factory did not mean a manufactory where things were manufactured but a warehouse from where factors could trade....) the Moghul Emperor gave them permission to open one in Surat. I know the average Pakistani`s knowledge of geography is smaller than what can be contained in a gnat`s brain but -- and this information is going to strain your brain -- Surat is in Gujarat and not in Bengal.

The earliest trading posts of the Portuguese were also located along the Western coast of India... at Diu, Daman and Goa.

Parsees bribed their way on to Hindoo Land. Here is what a Parsee writes from Hindoo Land:

[Though this story might belong to the realm of unrecorded myth, like all good myths, somewhere embedded in it is the `ring` of truth. Orthodox Parsis believe that it was actually a gold ring that was dropped into the milk, not a spoonful of sugar. ``You see sugar dissolves and we have always maintained our own identity. But the gold ring showed Jadhav Rana that we will not assimilate, at the same time we will not make the milk overflow and yet we will also enhance it.``

Whether it was, a spoonful of sugar or a ring of gold , permission to settle was granted by Jadhav Rana on four conditions. The strangers had to adopt the local language Gujarati and give up their own language Persian, their women had to dress as the local women in saris, the men had to give up their weapons and their marriage ceremonies had to be held in the dark.]

http://www.parsijourney.com/chapters/intro/intro.html

Wah, rah, wah, with these wanna-be Hindoos intellectual from Hindoo Land. Heads they win, and tails I lose. What sort of a rubbish theory is this that even the Newsweek was not able to capture the autism in these Hindoos from Hindoo Land?

Mughals under Akbar, and afterwards were all looking eastward, mostly because there was trade and prosperity. Bengal was under the rele of muslim Nawab Siraj-ud-daula. East India Company was formed in Bengal, precisely because Nawab Siraj-ud-daula, and his sultanat knew how to develop prosperity amongst its masses.

There was no hindoo ruler anywhere for British traders to come except the east coast of India. If Parsee were prosperous in Gujrat, then surely the British would have first ventured towards the western shores of India. But they didn`t. Precisely because those Gujjus were just jumping around trees like monkey. And for all that they had developed ``tarro`` a nauseating drink that could only be extracted before noon to have any affect.

It was not until mid-1820`s that the British invaded Sindh, and defeated the Talpurs. After that they invited the small time businesses of Parsees and Goan Christians to Karachi Saddar area, to help British soldiers.

The Parsee businesses were successful inspite of a the caste laden Hindoo society of Hindoo Land.

Re: # 449

Pl read the opening sentence in 449 as :

I DONT abuse anybody without a reason. ....

i/o

I am in a habit of abusing anybody without a reason.

Okhla,

I am in a habit of abusing anybody without a reason. I am open to criticism as long as it`s worded appropriately. We are not North Koreans to hide our bad and show-off the brighter ones. The tirade of this Neuter must be met with similar language. No more, no less.

Warrier,

U are right that Parsis got their wealth under the British. The website on Pasris www.parsijourney.com gives the full account of their history in India.

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I lived in Gujarat and I came across many Parsis. I never find this more incongruous than reading the posts of this Neuter who is a gigantic disgrace on all Parsis.

My landlord in Halol (Panchmahal) is a bus driver. His brother was a well-to-do farmer. His nephew is a house-pet whereas his wife works for a flour-mill as if she`s the sole breadwinner.

In my personal study I met a Parsi family living in Sanjan. There are less than 4 families living in Sanjan as of now. I also visited Sanjan bandar to see for myself the actual landing of the first batch. There is no specific spot that can be identified with their landing but there`s a pillar erected to commemorate the landing of Parsis in India but that`s located in Sanjan town.

It`s only a name (i.e Sanjan bandar), btw. There`s no bandar as such but a creek (bone-dry now) from Umargam, out of hundreds of such creeks into Arabian sea from west coast of India. Persistent enquiries revealed that Parsis came to Sanjan by coastal navigation but not by a high sea navigation.

I was told the 4 families that live in Sanjan may not be the descendents of the first batch that arrived in Sanjan, coz the first batch in Sanjan was raided by the Muslims as well. The current history is an evidence that the Sanjan bunder area is being inhabited by Muslims only. Parsis fled Sanjan and lived in hill-caves of the west coast until they felt it safer to return. That means they were forced to live as cavemen for 12 more years.

That was followed by waves of immigration. The Indian Parsis racorded the history and there`s literature with photographic description of their flight from one place to the other in India.

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I give below the appropriate passgaes that wud give the true picture of Indian Parsis:

Source: http://www.parsijourney.com/chapters/intro/intro2.html

>>>They built a fire temple, installed with due ceremony the holy fire which they called the Iranshah, the King of Iran; lived largely peaceful, obscure existences in various villages and towns of Gujarat as farmers, weavers and carpenters.<<<<

>>>>Unhampered by caste prejudices, Surat provided an ideal opportunity for Parsis to engage in occupations that they had never attempted before. Farmers became traders and chief native agents, carpenters became shipbuilders.

An adventurous few left Surat and moved south to Bombay, then only a set of islands, in the wilderness. Here, they acted as brokers between the Indians and the Portuguese. They were in Bombay when it was ceded by Portugal to England in 1665 and three years later when the Crown handed over the island to the East India Company, Parsis were already a presence.
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The East India Company had grand plans for Bombay. They had visions of making this settlement a vibrant trading and commercial centre. In order to do so they needed to attract Indian traders, merchants and craftsmen to settle in and develop this frontier land. The terms they offered to native communities were generous and to an immigrant community like the Parsis must have seemed almost heaven-sent.<<<<<

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Re: # 441
Behram

I am aware of the Parsi high priest being at Akbar`s court. However that doesn`t mean anything other than the fact that Akbar liked to surround himself with people of all religions.

J N Tata went to Jamshedpur to construct a steel plant. Parsis started making their money in Surat and Bombay first.



Tata was not the first rich Parsi.

Thanks

Re: # 446 by okhla99 on November 24, 2006 9:11am PT

Dear Okla,

I have a different take on this corruption issue that only a lot of Hindoos from Hindoo Land seem to have. As you must be aware of the constant drum beat that Hindoo Land has created a huge middle class. What is not mentioned in this rhetoric is that most have achieved this level of wealth through deceiving the regular masses, and not through contributing to the well being of the society. For example, in the mid-1970`s George Fernandez was the President of Bombay Cab Driver`s Association. He later on became the Defence Minister, and was caught for his fraud. This is all what Hindoo Land is all about. Of course, the parents of these folks who visit regularly on Chowk are also guilty of being a liar, trickster, and fraudsters. Otherwise, how in the world can an employee who makes less than Rs. 1,000.00 per month be able to send their children to schools in the US.

Heck, is that not why people from Hindoo Land took refuge in the Middle East, to earn a decent living? All throughout Shah of Iran`s reign, Hindoos had infested Iran searching for meaningful living, and that was only 27 years ago. Now can a corrupt society like Hindoo Land create such a blown horn middle class. Of course, this is the cheater`s class, which they erroneously call a middle class.

Just look at their country and you will be amazed at how dilapidated their social structure is. They are still killing for lack of dowry. And do you consider that a social value of some middle class society. Heck, if you go to Mumbai, even till this day, there are cows running the street, and people are squatting on the rail road tracks. And this is exactly what I saw in the mid-1970`s. Their taxis are always empty, because most people can not afford to take a Taxi. I was considered a well-to-do-Pakistani, because I travelled by Taxis, wherever I traveled in that slum of Byculla, Bombay. All they had was bus transport system and train etc., and most people would use such mass transportation. Why? Because they could not afford it. How many additional miles of rail lines has Bombay Electric Supply Transport (BEST) developed after what they got from the English? Very little. The reason being these corrupt souls who were supposedly working as an employee of some engineering outfit were busy cheating the day light out of ordinary citizenry.

And that is the fact.

{And yes, I have met a number of intelligent and decent Hindus too.
But not on Chowk.}

Of course, not on Chowk, and there is a reason for that. Those who regularly visit Chowk from the Hindoo Land, just come be pompous and denigrate anything to do with Pakistan. And I for one, will give them back, where it hurts them to the best of my ability.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 445

Dear Behram,

A lot of Pakistanis also share identical characteristics of corruption, west-aping and other coefficients that you have been consistently associating with Hindus alone. A large number of
shortcomings in both countries/societies are common.

And yes, I have met a number of intelligent and decent Hindus too.
But not on Chowk.

Re: # 443 by okhla99 on November 23, 2006 11:14pm PT

Okla, where did you ever find an intelligent Hindoo?

They might have gotten some kind of a degree, and that is all they have. They were raised by Indian parents who were a bonafide member of the cheater`s class. Back in the early 50`s and 60`s this group of people became employees of some corporation or became a babujee in some government employment. And then they learned the trick of office politics and were unscrupulous in cheating the unsuspecting masses. The recent figure of Black Money in India is somewhere closer to 50%. This cheating class are sending their sons and daughters to another unsuspecting society like the west, and they are once again using the same tricks of cheating this society as well.

These people from Hindoo Land were disliked in Africa, primarily because of their ability to cheat the local economy. People from the cheater`s class have no shame.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 442 by krishna_abcd on November 23, 2006 8:33pm PT

Dear Kaura Demag Lord Krishna:

Aap ka demag ka bhi koi jawab nahin? Granted some fled Persia when the recently converted muslims were kicking @ss all over the Mesopotamia. The Persians got routed all over the Persian empire, but it did not happen in one or two weeks. It must have taken years to get this accomplished, and most of the refugee called themselves as Parsees. This means people from the province of Pars, which is much further away from the southwest corner where Arabs reside.

These days people for the most part have become economic refugees. But, in those days going from one part of the world to another was never very easy, and there was no World Organizations. Besides coming to a new strange land, would also be unwelcome for the locals. Except of course the new comers are from a rich country, eh! Why do you think that ugly Hindoos from Hindoo Land are always drooling over an Anglo American? huh!

Also, where did this Hindoo raja`s territory started and where did it end? Was there ever a geographical boundary assigned? or were these people like animals they would roam around wherever they could?

Why is there a legend that fleeing Parsees promised this raja that they will never convert any locals Hindoo away from their Hindoo religion? Even till this day, Persians by their very nature do not like to associate with ugly Hindoos. But, in the very olden days, before Paul mad conversion a popular game amongst politicians, most people stayed amongst the people they were born in.

But, Lord Krishna, you are a complete choutia, and you know that. Deflecting discussion to other issues would not glorify your Hindoo Land`s chaotic history. Heck, even ALexander got sick and died in your stinking land. Did he not?

Please continue with your diatribe, because it is fun to humiliate those from Hindoo Land. Shortly, we will have autistic Hindoos and bipolar hindoos typing their ill gotten knowledge, and exposing for all once again how unenlightened Hindoos have always been.

Respectfully submitted,

Yaar,

The way you guys hijack all topics to naked Pakistan bashing and Muslim bashing is
disgusting. If you all are so intelligent as you claim to be, kindly keep the discussion within
civilised limits.

Arjun and Krishna are particularly vitriolic. Ranjit appeared rational in the beginning but soon succumbed. VRV, Devkant and Monto have all degenerated to the same level. Behram is now plumbing new depths.

Tell me, do you achieve anything by this???

Intellectually, you appear to be closer to the mad mullahs than to intelligent rational
debaters. If educated, intelligent Indians and Pakistanis cannot engage in civilised debate, why should we blame our Mullahs, Militaries or Politicians????

I Know I am going to get a lot of ``But he started it...`` or ``But first he....`` or ``He
always....``. But seriously, guys, think.

Let us all strive to improve the quality of debate.