Understanding Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

#63 by stuka on December 2, 2006 10:40am PT

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May I suggest Rapidex English Course to increase your comprehension of the English language?

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hahah! A bihari yem yen preaching Hinglish to a Pakistani. Wah bhai wah!

It was a sarcastic response to your ``Damn I will!`` statement. The purpose was to show your lack of knowledge about E. Pak and your hypocrisy towards Pakistan and Pakistanis. And you took the bait and uttered the following nuggets.

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if the Valley Muslims vote for seperation (where they are a majority) I am all for their leaving and joining PAKISTAN AS LONG AS IT IS ACCOMPANIED ON OUR END BY THE COMPLETE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF MUSLIMS FROM Jammu and Ladakh.

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Sh. Mujib`s attitude was no democratic either. Again Hindi-Bindi hypocrisy leads you to support a separatist in E. Pak but you scoff and threaten Kashmiris with ethnic cleansing.

Nothing new from Hindi Bindi potatoes` two faced approach.

Before 1947, E. Punjab Muslim farmers and land owners = more than 75%
After 1947, E. Punjab Muslim farmers and land owners = 0%

Then you accuse us of ethnic cleansing. Pot calling the kettle black.

Typical Hindi Bindi head in the sand.

``hahah! A bihari yem yen preaching Hinglish to a Pakistani. Wah bhai wah! ``

Abey Muhammad kee Aulad, I am more of a Punjabi that your three generations put together.

What is a ``Pakistani`` any way? An Arab settler or a dalit convert? U are going to give me explanations about belonging to the land that was our for generations to come?

``Sh. Mujib`s attitude was no democratic either. Again Hindi-Bindi hypocrisy leads you to support a separatist in E. Pak but you scoff and threaten Kashmiris with ethnic cleansing.

``Nothing new from Hindi Bindi potatoes` two faced approach.``

Ullu key Pathey Angrezi samajh nahi aati hai tau Hindi Urdu meu smjhata hoon. Tey unjh vi samajh nai aandi tey Punjabi ich gall karedy aan...

I did not support Kashmiri ethnic cleansing at all. I supported ethnic cleansing of minorities in Jammu and Ladakh as an exchange of ethnic cleansing of minorties in the Kashmir Valley.

Gandhi days have come and gone...we believe in treating Muslims as Muslims treat non Muslims. Where was Pakistani crocodile tears when Hindus were cleansed from the valley?


``Before 1947, E. Punjab Muslim farmers and land owners = more than 75%
After 1947, E. Punjab Muslim farmers and land owners = 0%``

You are either stupid or a liar. There is a Muslim majority district in E. Punjab called Malerkotla. Where is a single Non Muslim district in W Punjab?

``Then you accuse us of ethnic cleansing. Pot calling the kettle black.``

Muslims in India versus Hindus in Pak? Quick? Who is the ethnic cleanser?

Interesting article from the day Bhutto was hanged...also a video of the BBC report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/4/newsid_2459000/2459507.stm

Re: # 66 stuka sez

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Muslims in India versus Hindus in Pak? Quick? Who is the ethnic cleanser?

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ethnic cleansing is the ``badge of honor`` for both the Hindians and Pakistanis.
In Punjab both sides cleaned up the minorities.

In UP, Bihar, Hyderabad, and Sindh the evil deed of killing minorities was much more selective.

Taikonaut:

I agree. In honesty, I think we agree more than we disagree at least on contemporary events. On history, I don`t think it is possible for Indiand and Pakistanis to agree. What I said about Bhutto wrt 1971 was true, to the extent of the facts I have read about. Rather than judging my opinion based on the fact that I am Indian, pass jusgement on the opinion itself. You also have Urstruly on this board saying the same thing though he is an Islamist and my complete opposite.

Anyways, here`s an interesting article that provides context....

Monday, Sep. 19, 1977
``An Evil Genius``

Bhutto is in deep, deep trouble

The head of Pakistan`s new military government was shocked and saddened. When he saw Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in Rawalpindi two weeks ago, General Mohammed Zia ul-Haq confronted the deposed Prime Minister with several charges of crime and misconduct. As Zia told the story later, ``I said to him, `Sir`—I still called him that—`Sir, why have you done all those things, you whom I respected so, who had so much?` He said only that I should wait and he would be cleared. It was very disappointing.`` So disappointing, in fact, that Zia approved a court order calling for his onetime leader`s arrest and transfer to a Lahore jail.

Bhutto, who was unseated by a military coup last July 5, is in deep, deep trouble. The most serious accusation against him is, in effect, murder by proxy. He allegedly ordered his paramilitary Federal Security Force to get rid of a troublesome opposition politician, Ahmed Raza Kasuri. During the second of two attacks on Kasuri in 1974, gunmen sprayed the politician`s car with bullets; they missed Kasuri but killed his father. According to government sources, five security-force officials have testified that they were acting on Bhutto`s orders at the time.

If convicted on that charge, Bhutto could conceivably be sentenced to death by hanging. As of last week, this was but one of a torrent of serious accusations that were swirling around the former Prime Minister. In a separate case, four policemen confessed that in 1972 they had murdered another opposition member of the National Assembly, Dr. Nazir Ahmed, after the Prime Minister complained to aides that he was losing sleep over Nazir Ahmed`s anti-Bhutto speeches.

In addition, Bhutto has been accused of: 1) detaining some of his political enemies illegally, telling one of them, ``You will pass your life in a detention camp and will die a slow and miserable death``; 2) instructing the security force to fire on an opposition political rally in 1973, which resulted in the death of 20 people and the injury of 100 more; 3) misappropriating government funds; and 4) ordering the torture of Jalaluddin Abdur Rahim in 1974, after the 71-year-old career diplomat complained that the Prime Minister had insulted his dinner guests by keeping them waiting until midnight for his arrival.

Western observers discount the possibility that the charges against Bhutto, once a national hero, are part of a smear campaign by his opponents. Rumors of official misconduct had circulated widely in Pakistan while Bhutto was in office. Moreover, there is little reason to believe that General Zia, who was named army chief of staff by Bhutto a year ago, has any grudge against his former boss. The diffident general, who now calls Bhutto ``an evil genius`` and ``a 1977 Machiavelli,`` seems determined to remain impartial and let the law take its course. Before his arrest, Bhutto predicted ``a crisis of jurisprudence`` if he should be handcuffed or jailed. Zia insisted: ``No person can be above the law.``

Will the military government proceed with its plan to hold national elections on Oct. 18? ``By jingo, yes,`` declares Zia, ``unless the heavens fall.`` Despite Bhutto`s incarceration, his Pakistan People`s Party announced last week that it would contest the elections; it called on party members to turn their grief ``over the arrest of Party Chairman Bhutto into an enthusiastic campaign.`` The army still talks as if it expects to go back to the barracks by the end of October. But if the election results are inconclusive, the soldiers may yet decide to delay their departure.

#69 by stuka on December 2, 2006 11:40am PT

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Taikonaut:

I agree. In honesty, I think we agree more than we disagree at least on contemporary events. On history, I don`t think it is possible for Indiand and Pakistanis to agree.

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Well thank you.

Indians and Pakistanis can in fact agree as you demonstrated so eloquently. A pre-req for this agreement? ``Leave your religiosity and other prejudices at the door``.

Our history is shared and it is the same. It should not be butchered in the name of religion as this act of butchery does more harm than good.

#69 Stuka

My estimation of the Bhutto was pretty low – now it is even lower!

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[It should not be butchered in the name of religion as this act of butchery does more harm than good.]

Watch the worst perpetrators of the crime preach against its evils!

What a buffoon!

Re: # 72 Blow J Kumar sez

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Watch the worst perpetrators of the crime preach against its evils!

What a buffoon!

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What an apt name Blow J. Kumar when he expounds on Hindi Bindi tolerance that is so prevalent in Gujarat`s concentration camps, the burned out homes of Ahmadabad, and raped Gujarati minority women.

Good, very Good B. --J.

Nasser and Mossadegh are respected by contemporary historians for attempting to achieve self autonomy of eqypt and iran`s natural resources. why is this a bad thing?

#74 by saminasha2 on December 2, 2006 1:22pm PT

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Nasser and Mossadegh are respected by contemporary historians for attempting to achieve self autonomy of eqypt and iran`s natural resources. why is this a bad thing?

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Autonomy my foot!

Both of them for commies to the core. Their whole shebang was to become the lackeys of Soviets, and in the process loot and plunder their own people. This is what commies do. They are the true leaches.

Re: # 75

and that representation of these issues punches a whole in your credibility....

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btw, when I write ``contemporary historians``, I mean the people of these countries-the women intellectuals who are well respected in the us

Re:#77 by saminasha2 on December 2, 2006 2:25pm PT

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btw, when I write ``contemporary historians``, I mean the people of these countries-the women intellectuals who are well respected in the us

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Samina Sahiba, contemporary or old, the bottom line is simple. A leftie commie historian will always present Gamal Nasir and Mossadegh as their avatars.

However for the free market proponents, these commies are nothing but petty plunderers of their national wealth.

Mossadegh didn`t last that long, but Gamal Nasir and his $tupid nationalization in Egypt wrecked havoc with its economy.

Right now, Egypt is the most corrupt, poverty stricken, and religiously myopic country in the Muslim world. Off course Iran comes a close second thanks to its leftie Mullahs.

So please keep these contemporary historians close to your heart and see both Egypt and Iran go down the gutter.

My dear taiko,

Gutless creeps like you – who have spent a lifetime (if one can call you a life form) licking the underside of those khaki boots and singing khaki praises are the reason Pakistan is over such a barrel now – and stinks to every other country in the world!

The gutless Pakistani morons here who make a feeble attempt to grant you legitimacy – they are simply opportunistic chickens and NOTHING that they do here – or can do here could change the unpleasant cesspool of your reality!

You stink my dear – and because of worms like you, your whole country stinks.

I, of course, ``love`` you like nobody else ever can!

I almost forgot this.

Dear Taiko,

Go SCREW yourself!!!

After you are done screwing whatever crappy little is left to screw of your crappy little dung-hole that you call your country and the rest of the world fondly remembers as shitt-whole!

I love ya!
BJK