Stagnating Pakistan-Iran Relations

#125 by tahmed32 on December 3, 2006 8:10pm PT

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taikanout #118 So we agree on everything it seems. Damn!! How the hell can one carry on a chowk ``discussion`` by agreeing on everything. :-)

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Yeap! Chowk is turning into big mushy gumball.

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Let me ask you though - you seem very concerned about persian mullah threat to pakistan. i dont share that concern though. historically we have gotten along fine - no border disputes, no ideological issues, no ancient grievances.

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That`s what people said about Hitler and his book on Jihad (personal struggle) called Mein Kempf (personal struggle) . When people heard about persecution of minorities, they said oh that hitler is a little joker.

Same Chamberlain-ish ``sub chalta hai`` attitude exists in Pakistan too. Here are few examples.

1. When Lashkre Janghavi butchered innocent Shias, we said oh that is all Hindian drama.
2. When the twin menace of Tehrike Nifaz Fiqh Jafria and Imamia Student Organization spread their sectarian wings, we said oh these are just little brothers.
3. When Soviet bear starting feasting on Pashtoon meat, we said Oh it is not going to hurt.

So T Sahib, take the future of Pakistan and threats to Pakistan seriously. Soviet Union is gone, but the ugly Mullahs (wahabi) and Ayatullahs (Shia) are still around. If we don`t nip this twin evil in the bud, it would be too late to find out that Pakistan has turned into Islamic Jannat called Afghanistan or worse Somalia.

#124 Ajeya

Ama yaar, that picture breaks my heart! :(

I am going to have nightmares.

What kind of creep does such acts?!!

And what kind of absolute creep stands by and looks the other way - and lets it happen - and then whines that they are not getting ``respect``!

I ask these morons.

What kind of creeps are you guys - O FAITHFUL ones!!!

Go screw yourselves!

Or perhaps that`s ALL you have been doing!!!

Damm you!

taikanout #129 you write ``Soviet Union is gone, but the ugly Mullahs (wahabi) and Ayatullahs (Shia) are still around. If we don`t nip this twin evil in the bud, it would be too late to find out that Pakistan has turned into Islamic Jannat called Afghanistan or worse Somalia.``

I think the evil is beyond the bud stage now. it should have been nipped in the 1950`s when Maudoodi brought his ugly mug over from india - he should have been sent back. now it is in full bloom in pakistan. thats the bad news.

the good news is - this is as far as they can go. because they are too stupid to be able to do anything constructive, and thus have never gained popular support in pakistan. mullahs - like the thugs in india - will in the long run be nothing more than a footnote to history. but then, that is just my two cents.

as for pakistan becoming an afghanistan or somalia - i doubt it. those countries never had a strong government, while the pakistan military remains a well-disciplined force (their tendancy to conquer pakistan every few years notwithstanding).

#130

I suppose I can answer my own question.

[And what kind of absolute creep stands by and looks the other way]

नर ते खर, शूकर स्वान समान कहौ जग में फल कौन जिये.....

[And yes we need to nip the Wahabi evil with full force. The last thing we need to see is these evil people harassing minorities in Pakistan.]

So when an Ismaili is killed in Chitral, could you easily say that it was some deobandi/wahhabi evil?

Your vitriolic thoughts regarding Iranian influence in Pakistani internal affairs got all the more ammo after the Islamic Conference in 1974, when some of the tin-pot politicians of the Islamic world descended on Pakistan, and wreaked havoc on the land of the pure.

Was that Iran`s fault? Afghanistan, being a sunni state, is not anti-Iran.

Re: # 127 by stuka on December 3, 2006 8:15pm PT

[What if one is a Hindu like me? A Hindu from the Village of Bhaun in the District of Chakwal in the Potohar area of Punjab? Can I then hyperventilate against Iran?]

And if you have iota of understanding of the culture of that region then you will soon find out that your hyperventilating rhetoric will not get the political mileage whatsoever. Is it no wonder then that most Pakistani politicians are not at all anti-Iran?

[Its interesting that though u claim to be a Pakistani, you turn around and accuse a Pakistani of being a Dravidian Indian, the moment he says something against Iran? Same goes for Salim Chauhan, because he is Shia, he is okay with accepting critism of Pak but not Iran? ]

People of northern Indian sub-continent have consistently been from Persian culture for millennium, and that is all the reason most people from of South Asia have the highest regard of the Persians. As I have suggested in my previous post, it will be very difficult to find Afghanis to be anti-Iran, although most of Afghanis are sunnis.

If you have not figured it out yet, it is the Persian race that takes precedence over religion in our part of the world.

[I disagree with Taikonaut about a 100 things but at least the guy is Pakistani first.]

How can a Pakistani remain annonymous under a presumed nic name of taikonaut? What sort of a Pakistani name is that?

Only dravidian Hindoos from Hindoo Land remain hidden from humanity.

[That seems to be a rare quality amongst you lot; it`s always Muslim first or Shia forst..how many of you love the soil from which you come from..Ask us who think of that soil even when we are generations removed...]

And your Hindoos have consistently attacked Pakistanis on this chowk precisely because most Pakistanis are muslims, and dravidian Hindoos can not bare such a change of soil.

If you claim that you love the soil that is Pakistan today, then you must join me and love the soil first regardless of which religious value is in the ruling elite.

Re: # 132

BJK,
What`s the red thing man ???

Please translate for the rest of us..

Re: # 131 TAhmad says

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as for pakistan becoming an afghanistan or somalia - i doubt it. those countries never had a strong government,

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And how did they lose their ``strong governments``?

Hint hint! When people held tin-pots from Arab and Irani land inspired Islamism more important than their own soil.

Hope my fellow chowkies understand this simple poem!

Love your home,
love the street where your home is,
love the city where your street is,
love the state where your city is,
love the country where your state is.

Only then you will avoid the death and destruction of the Islamic jannat Afghanistan or worse Somalia. And quit holding these despot clowns called Mullahs and Ayatullahs as if they are more important than your country.

#135 Okhla

[Please translate]
Unlike mian Truly, I WILL oblige! Here you go.

नर ते खर, शूकर स्वान समान कहौ जग में फल कौन जिये.....

Translation: Such individuals are like dogs and pigs - tell me, what point can there be to their lives....

Clearly, I meant no disrespect to the dogs and pigs of the world!

Tahmed sahib,

while the pakistan military remains a well-disciplined force (their tendancy to conquer pakistan every few years notwithstanding).

Even a disciplined force needs exercise once in a while.

Regards

TAhmed:

``#128 by tahmed32 on December 3, 2006 8:18pm PT
Stuka: but...you are an honorary Pakistani, remember. :-)

but seriously, do you have any grievances about iran?? the grievance court is now in session.

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I actually do have a major grievence against Iran. On Friday, I was at a party given by another Indian couple. There was this gorgrous Iranian woman there. SMOKING HOT!! And her husband was a complete moron, and an ugly ass mofo to boot.....my grievance is that how come such a Hot Iranian chick had to get hitched with an ugly ass dude..there has to be something wrong in Iran..

Re: # 125

No border disputes as of now. Just wait for the citizens of of Pak-occupied Baluchistan to take their uprising to the next stage that is independence from Pakistan and reunification with Baluch territories of Iran and Afghanistan.

#140 by muqaddam on December 4, 2006 2:36am PT

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No border disputes as of now. Just wait for the citizens of of Pak-occupied Baluchistan to take their uprising to the next stage that is independence from Pakistan and reunification with Baluch territories of Iran and Afghanistan.

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Muqaddam sahib, the danger is always there. However Iran won`t touch Baloch issue for a while now. Iranians are executing, hanging, and torturing Balochis at a much higher level.

http://sarbaaz.com/news/viewtopic.php?t=223

Balochis in Iran are dirt poor even when Iran is an oil producing country.

p.s. Greater Balochistan is being discussed. However success rate for such an idea is pretty slim.

#136 taikanout: that ``poem`` is worth repeating since it has badly needed wisdom that the islamist types (some of them on chowk) truly lack:

Love your home,
love the street where your home is,
love the city where your street is,
love the state where your city is,
love the country where your state is.

To bring this up-to-date in today`s world, I would only add: love the region thy country is in, and love the planet you live in (since this is the only one you have).


While this may sound like motherhood and applie pie, the fact is that it is this basic wisdom that too many grown up individuals never learnt (some chowkies should be able to recognize themselves here). One of the greatest strengths of America is indeed this kind of thinking is embedded in its traditions going back four hundred years!! It is truly heartening to see that this attitude is prevalent among so many pakistanis.

Stuka: that is indeed a great injustice!! That ugly man the woman was with is ordered by the court to put on a veil!! :-)

Re: stuka # 139
That’s what sucks with muslims these days.

We always end up cowering the wrong person


Regards,

Faruk