Mohammad Yousuf: A tribute

teshah sahib,

Bhutto was under pressure by the mulla`s, you should know this as it happened when you were old enough than me.

and why should i below steam on other non muslim countries when Pakistan was the country i was born in, the country that i cared for in the same way a muslim did. Why was i made feel different then?

Sirji i was brought up in a liberal city like Karachi where religion was not such a big issue than the villages and i was still treated like a foreigner. I feel sorry for those mashi`s that were born in a village. My question to you is, why did you and the muslims of Pakistan not follow Quaid`s words? Why are we not given the same rights that are given to 98% of the population of Pakistan? Why do we have a separate voting system where i am forced to vote for someone who i have never met or may be living 100`s of miles away from me? What have you done to stop this injustice on your fellow country men?

Re: # 46

doublec

You say:

``I am just blowing steam on those ``open minded`` Muslims that seem smart but still act like ``jahils``.``

You are quite justified to do this as the most ``open minded` leader like Z.A. Bhutto had turned the very constitution of Pakistan into a `takfiri` fatwa against a section of the citizens of that country.

A question, however, arises, ``Why don`t you blow your steam on those countries also which do not treat the Paky Muslim minority as they treat all minorities in their own country, especially the weaker ones, on religious grounds.``

42 by devkant on December 7, 2006 5:33am PT


Devkant, I know Manto and have seen his work on other sites as well. and I am sure that he will fight for minorities rights as well.

I am just blowing steam on those ``open minded`` Muslims that seem smart but still act like ``jahils``.

Plus I am of the opinion that the Quaid wasted his life in getting Pakistan. I am sure he would not have take this step if he had a time machine and could have seen the future.

manto i dont think claims pakistan to be the land of minority rights..heck he himself had to convert twice already. he hopes one day it will be. but then it might become a part of akhand bharat by then ;-)

Re: # 43

There is neither an expectation nor an obligation for Pakistanis to treat
their minorities equally. Never have in Muslim history they have been
treated as equal. Pakistan was a state created by Muslims for the Muslims.
If minorities happen to live amongst them, they will be treated as per
the whims of Muslims, they can`t expect and demand anything.
If minorities get either treated courteously (never equally) or ignored,
it like a bonus and they should consider themselves lucky.

Re:devkant#42

[..you will be interested to know that there is a certain mr. montolives AKA yasser hamdani in chowk. ...]

Yeah, where is Mantolives? Now that Pakistani minorities are writing about their personal experience with bigotry, he has gone into hiding. So much for his tall claims of religious tolerance in pakistan.

#40 by doublec on December 6, 2006 4:22pm PT
``Don’t go giving me a speech on how there is no pressure to convert in Pakistan. I lived 20 + years there and had been asked over 10,000 times to convert as i am a ``good`` individual.

And then the Bas%^&*s come here (West) and ask for their rights..... Where are our rights in Pakistan? ``

Bhai....while we sympathize with you, you will be interested to know that there is a certain mr. montolives AKA yasser hamdani in chowk. This guy has unbelievable verbal wars with each and every person here who claims that pakistan does not respect the rights of minorities.

in case you are a non muslim from pakistan, i am sure that he will be interested in fighting for you, because that is what he stands for.

rgds,

devkant.

Re: # 39

Sorry Abu! Mahloom hota he mircheen aapko kuchh ziada hi lag gai hein. Heirat he aapko Musalli kehne par bhi mircheen lag gai hein. Aap jante hein musalli ka kia matlab he. Aap ki pagan zabaan mein isko `namazi` kehte hein. Kia yih gaali he jo aap is pih itne cheen bah jabeen ho rahe hein. Weise itlaan arz he kih Allah ne khud musallion par lahnat bheji he. See verse 4 of Sura Maoon as reproduced hereunder:

``Faweilul lil Musaleen.`` 107/4

(4. Barbadi he ‘Musalleeon’ ke lie (jo apne aapko ‘Namaazi’ kehte hein))

To aapke khayaal mein Allah bhi (Naouzbillah) musalliuon se jealous ho gia he?

Nahein Allah ne in par is lie lahnat bheji he kih inhon ne apne ghatia pan se mazhab ko bhi ek khel balkih mizaaq bana dia he.

#36 by batman on December 6, 2006 10:12am PT

Justice Cornilouis, Cecil Chaudhry are all old hands and enjoyed the good old days. Things are different now. Name one famous young Christian person that is a big shot in these times....i.e. post Zia.... you will not find any. BTW did you folks know that A. Nayer is also a Mashi? Guess what the A stands for?

Don’t go giving me a speech on how there is no pressure to convert in Pakistan. I lived 20 + years there and had been asked over 10,000 times to convert as i am a ``good`` individual.

And then the Bas%^&*s come here (West) and ask for their rights..... Where are our rights in Pakistan?

Re: # 29
Abb kya mein pagal budhayy kayy moonh lagoon. Aaap apnayy ghar mein bhii yaqeenan apnii bahoo baytiyoon sayy issii zaban mein guftugoo farmatayy hongayy..Kheyr anyway, whether i am a mussalii or not thats not the issue. Point of Contention is your madness and jelousy for a talented cricketer. There is no cure for jelousy however for ur lunacy you should consult a doctor, but maybe its just too late, it`ll soon be over anywayy so just hang on.

Ahmer,

A dose of orthodox Islam may have cured Yousaf, but it didn`t revive the careers of Saeed Anwar and Saqlain Mushtaq. Their confidence and technical flaws aggravated after their ``conversion``.

For every Mohamamd Yousaf, there is a John McEnroe or Imran Khan who plays best when he has worked up an anger... or been dating a trophy girlfriend.

He was under lots of pressure and he admitted it many a times. In the past few years many good players have been sidelined becuase they do not wear a beard. (Sarfraz Nawaz is on record saying this).
I also agree with DOUBLEC that he is greedy for money. In one case he did not hesistate to swindle computers from and education institution for the greed of it.

Those who think he converted because of captaincy, there are a lot of Christians in Pakistan who have been high achievers. Take Justice Cornilouis for that matter. Though he never played one match but for his contributions the main entrance of PCB`s office and the Gadhafi Stadium is named after him. Yousuf himself played as Captain during the time he was a christian. Cecil Chaudhry, one of the war heros wasnt muslim. I know a lot of people in the field of commerce who have done very good and are not muslims either. I doubt in modern Pakistan, a person`s religous background matters. Pakistanis let you go if you have a different religon. The problem starts if you say when you say are a muslim but you differ from their interpatation!

the best thing yohana (is that an un-islamic name because its the name of an apostle of a great nabi yesu?) did for his career is now he will get endorsment contract fromshampoo companies. in past the shampoo selling was not easy with inapropriate (unislamic) models. now they can use yohana as a model. soon there will be billboards in karachi with his beard selling sunsilk shampoo in place of inapropriate stuff like this.

Re #30 mantolives

``Brilliant Youhanna! ``


Is he as great as Cassius Clay?

mantolives # 30 writes ``Brilliant Youhanna!``

Manto, as you very well know that Muhammad Yousuf has converted to Islam, much to your chagrin. In the process he has also changed his name from Yousuf Youhanna to Muhammad Yousuf. But your insistence at referring to him by a name he does not want to use is highly disprectful and bad manners. Muhammad Yousuf wants to be referred to by his muslim name, and we should accord him that courtsey.

It would be as if we continue to refer to you as a mirzaee, even though you have changed from mirzaee to sunni to ismaili.

Regards