Swearing-in Ceremony with Hand on the Bible?

Re: Sattar/Urstruly,

I see the beginning of another YLH-HYD jugalbandi here.

Regards

Re: # 572
majumdar, wanna join?!

Sattar

First of all stop calling people idiots who happen to disagree with you. Your last few posts addressed to razaib are indictive of the habbits of a typical Quadiani, as I pointed out in my earlier post.

``Mian Urstruly`` - being condescending in a debate is also a strong proof of being weak on moral and academic standing.

``Rubbing salt`` - It would have been better had you taken the debate in the spirit of debate. Had you done that you would have learned something.

Frankly, I find you quite an intelligent person but your frustrations get the better of you. My original question comes in effect here i.e. why can`t you justify your religion on its own merit?? Is this what frustrating you? you can probably rub salt on a teenager on an internet discussion forum but I am immune to these things. It is childish - pahleez.

Finally, I do not see any worldly benefit to me by engaging in this discussion and taking a stance which is not very popular or ``modern`` anyway. Many educated Muslims with low self esteem would careen this subject and would rather take a ``modern`` stance. The only reason I engage in this debate is because the tuth must be told. The obedience to our Holy Prophet (pbuh) and adherence to the law of God is more important than realpolitiking. If this is the alternative then I do not fear being called, rigid, fundamenatlist, or any other adjective.

So I request you to please write a post only when you are calm and composed.

Re: # 570 by Urstruly

Hello Urstruly, I do not want to interupt in the relation that has taken place between you and sattar; however, what did you have to say about what I found in post 558?

#558 by raziab9 on December 14, 2006 3:17pm PT

About killing apostates. Following is what is saif for them:

Sora-e-Maida (5) 30-33
The ones who fight against God and his Prophet Mohammaed (pbuh) are to be killed on earth and they have a severe afterlife to face as well.
Note the word “fight”: do not kill ‘em until they invite people to their nominal religion; which, is a threat to Islam

Sora-e-Annisa (4) 87-89)
Don’t befriend the kafir who invites you until they leave you

Sora-e-Attaobah (9) 72-75
Be strict to the apostates and there’s quiet a punishment for them in hell


See, killing is legal only when the person poses a threat. However, God certainly will punish anyway on his own...

Urstruly,

You rambled on and on about 5 schools of jurisprudence, fatwa-e-alamgiri, etc. Once again you’ve stayed away from Quran. So let me rub some more salt in your wounds.

Read #540 for Quranic injunctions. Now contrast them with your mullah’s verdict of “kill”, “kill”, and “kill”. This says a lot about corruption in their ranks.

Same was the case with Jewish, as well as Christian ullema when they had become corrupt. They banded against Jesus, and insisted that the earth is flat. These fanatics too were brutal to those who disagreed with them, and so you your mullahs.

What they preached was not Judaism, nor Christianity. What you preach is not Islam.

Re: # 567 by Sattar2

I ready 567 of yours again and in the end you say: ``What you preach is not Islam``

I know this is directed towards urstruly. But i`d like to say that the statement is put wrong. Because this kind of teaching is not a deviation from any major statements of Islam (Do not argue that every single thing is major) it can not be said that he is not teaching Islam

… but … but when I called you an idiot, you were quick to respond without sounding upset! So what is the matter now??

And why are you soooo upset with Ahmadi-Muslims? It seems the entire ummah suffers from on-going spells of paranoia and delusion...

...which reminds me … where’s Urstruly?

Re: # 566

Naming me an idiot was not as big a problem but I was only awed that you were hyped about me typing that post Attention to Sattar2 when infact that`s attention to all : D

And i wonder how your piss`n`spit could really sound and feel neutral to any person with decent lingo no matter what their arguments

Thirdly, I responded to any and all posts v. quick

About the paranoia: sir, it`s an outstanding argument and how can it not be a huge one --afterall it`s a question of Islamiat

peace,
RB

I did NOT address that post of mine to you. Who ever likes it addressed can reply including YOU!

Infact you initiated right after by saying: ``raziab, I can handle only one idiot at a time ... wait for your turn ...``

Thus, any comments suggestions idiot statements bombardments, keep spittin`pissin them :)

RB

... like I said, you should address your posts to Urstruly ... and not me.
Let`s see if he can respond intelligently to #561.

Thanks for your concerns ... will respond to your silly comments later. Promise ... no, make it inshallah ...!

people like you really can resolve issues while pissin`spitin --while they aren`t really good multitaskers. That reminds of some mullas` way of dealing with issues.

I realize you`ve been sitin` here all nite waiting for urstrulys response...

Take good care,
RB

... yes, sometimes I can piss and spit at the same time ...
what would you like done to you ...?

Re: # 561
I`d like have both done on your keyboard :)

Urstruly (#557):

You seem to be suggesting that Holy Prophet himself violated Quran by having people killed for apostasy and adultery?

Is this the best explanation you can come up with?

What you are referring to is recorded history of Islam. You agree that records in Bible got corrupted - people made up stuff and incorporated it into their scripture. This indeed is the case with recorded ahadith you allude to.

FYI: On issue of “death for adultery”, hadith related to Ali contradicts the one associated with Omar … suggesting that at times people made stuff up and associated it with the Prophet of Islam. Furthermore, both “ahadith” on this issue contradict Quran. This should be a clue for one with common sense.

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Since you asked, here it is once again. I base my views on Quran. Refer to #540 for specific references. Question for you is ... why do you keep ignoring Quran?

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raziab, I can handle only one idiot at a time ... wait for your turn ...

Re: # 559

I thought you were a multi-tasker ;)

About killing apostates. Following is what is saif for them:

Sora-e-Maida (5) 30-33
The ones who fight against God and his Prophet Mohammaed (pbuh) are to be killed on earth and they have a severe afterlife to face as well.
Note the word “fight”: do not kill ‘em until they invite people to their nominal religion; which, is a threat to Islam

Sora-e-Annisa (4) 87-89)
Don’t befriend the kafir who invites you until they leave you

Sora-e-Attaobah (9) 72-75
Be strict to the apostates and there’s quiet a punishment for them in hell


See, killing is legal only when the person poses a threat. However, God certainly will punish anyway on his own!

Why Ahmadis are an issue is because they claim to be Muslims and do not accept a Muslmaiat fact that makes one a Muslim: Prophet Mohammad pbuh was the last prophet -- period. Thus, they no longer are Muslims

Not just that but they also, ofcourse, invite people to their religion: Which is a threat to Islam --not to their ``Islam``. This kicked them out of Pakistan. And yes, they were killed too. Both verses practised.

RB