Recognising Student Unions

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#11 by karachi01 on December 14, 2006 9:41pm PT
Dear Brother ! The real proved of ur lack of info is that u can`t differentiate b/w JTI & IJT.

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OK! tell me one thing. Are you a Jamatia?

Dear Brother ! The real proved of ur lack of info is that u can`t differentiate b/w JTI & IJT.

No one can be declare as terrorist by just saying that u r a terrorist. U need proves at certain level.

I will advise u to understand the dynamics & history of student politics go to any nearest good book shop & asked him about Prof Waris Mier books on this topic.

Plesae be realized that slogan/ ethinic base organizations also believed on the concept of `Hold`` & violance & these types of organizations always feel difficulties & face real resistance & ghallenges with the ideological based organized setup on the discussion grounds. To avoid dialogies these organizations alwys tried to engaged ideological based organizations in clashes, in which most of the time they are successful.

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Re: # 9 by karachi01 on December 14, 2006 1:12am PT

Dear Brother !

You are just discussing the things just on the assumptions` with out any research or understanding the situation.

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Assumptions? I thought we were all discussing the student-politicians-nay-goons of sundry groups like JTI, APMSO, ISO etc. etc. If you think we have to assume (and not know first hand) that JTI is simply a terrorist arm of JI, then we probably live in two different countries.

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Re: # 9 by karachi01 on December 14, 2006 1:12am PT
Who told u that ALL the student organizations are `Terrorist`. If you can`t distinguish between ideological based work & slogan based affiliations, then it is the problem of ur ability of understanding.

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OK OK! JTI, Jeay Sindh, APMSO, ISO, etc. were my examples of terrorist organizations. Are you talking about a student organization being run by Abdul Sattar Eidhi?

Dear Brother !

You are just discussing the things just on the assumptions` with out any research or understanding the situation.

Who told u that ALL the student organizations are `Terrorist`. If you can`t distinguish between ideological based work & slogan based affiliations, then it is the problem of ur ability of understanding.

The `Assumption` that only the child of poor is terrorist. Recently, it has published in the Dawn that police caught red handed a milliner’s son. What happened in Princeton University?

Your point of view is just like with the today’s statement of our education minister in opening ceremony of Book fair in Karachi that our (basically his) history start from Moen Jo Daro.

#7 by karachi01 on December 12, 2006 11:17pm PT

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`` It is time to make the students pay for their education. Deserving students should get the loan to be paid back over 20 years or so.``


What a GREAT idea, its mean their is no right of poor man to educate his child. Govt. should encouraged the institutes like Iqra, CBM, Szabist etc. to limit the education to upper class.

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O! Karachi01 sahib, go back and read the quoted text in your post. As you have exhibited difficulty in comprehension, here is a detailed discussion.

Your mythical ``poor man`` can certainly ``educate his child`` by securing a loan. There won`t be a drastic change in admission policy. You set the merit and the qualifying student would get government backed loan if he happens to be ``the child of a poor man``.

As this ``child of poor man`` knows that the loan will be due back in 20 years, he would work hard and graduate with decent grades.

Due to this loan ``the child of poor man`` would think twice before joining terrorist organizations.

See it is a win win situation. ``The child of poor man`` gets government paid education, and our universities are jamatiya free centers of learning.

`` It is time to make the students pay for their education. Deserving students should get the loan to be paid back over 20 years or so.``


What a GREAT idea, its mean their is no right of poor man to educate his child. Govt. should encouraged the institutes like Iqra, CBM, Szabist etc. to limit the education to upper class.

As we are observing those who can`t get admission due to low %ages in DMC, SMC, KMDC or NED, they get the admissions only on the basis of wealth on AKUH, Baqai, Zia Uddin or Sir Syed.

Have any one observed the overall moral atmosphere of these educational institutes? Some time I feel I am not in Pakistan when I visited these institutes. Western style dressing, latest cars, modern life style, lavish life, no respect to teachers, no moral education, feel shame to talk in mother tongue.

Those who blamed on student organizations due to clashes, do u know in Prinston University, which is private institute, two murders have been reported on the issue of love affair.

As I have discussed earlier, to create political tolerance & to develop the culture of healthy debates, & also in the strong benefits of students to solve their problems, the elections of student bodies are very essential. However it should be restricted to some higher level educational institutes.

Criticism just for criticism is not good. We should encourage & support the healthy activities of students.

There is need to define the definition of `Education``. Education is just to teach some words then it is base less. Education should be the knowledge & awareness of good & wrong. I know lot of persons who were very active at their time in `student Politics` & they are also very successful in their professional lives e.g. Dr. Adeeb Rizvi, Dr. Haroon, Javaid Jabbar, Hamid Meer. Dr. Shahid Masood. Ejaz Shafi Gillani

Student politics polished their capabilities of leadership , decision making, discussion & personal evaluation.

I should again emphasise we should evaluate that why the clashes b/w different organizations took place, we should see the reasons.

Anyhow, any change, revolution always appears from students e.g. role of Ali Garh University students in Pakistan movement we know very well, or role of DSF against Ayub regime or IJT role in Khatme-nabuwaat movement was very vital.

Re: #5 by karachi01 on December 12, 2006 4:33am PT

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Why those who are giving just one picture also appreciates the positive activities like book fairs, student weeks, sports competition, debate competitions, student courts, female meena bazas etc. organized in these student.

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What they say “Haathi kay daant dikhanay kay aur, khanay kay aur”.

{Elephant has one set of teeth to show, and another one for eating}

Sports competitions should be run by sports department, and books should be sold by book stores. If students want to work on these projects, they should be hired by these entities (paid or volunteer).

Students only business in school is to become educated and become aware. Putting Muhajir idols on the table, or Sindhu Desh pictures in their dorms is totally anti-education.

This whole deal of student politics has gone out of hand because of one reason. Free! The concept of Free Education has utterly destroyed our universities and colleges.

It is time to make the students pay for their education. Deserving students should get the loan to be paid back over 20 years or so.

If APMSO wants to have its goons on campus, then MQM should pay the tuition and dorm expenses.

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Pakistani student’s politics also provide us a good leadership like Fatheyab Ali Khan, Mairaj Mohammad, Munawwar Hassan, Hafiz Idrees, Jehangier Bader, Farooq Sattar, Javaid Hashmi etc.

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These leaders should be better off concentrating on studies during their school years. Later they can join a political party and be a leader. Destroying our universities in the name of politics is not helping.

We should see & realize that what happened with the student organizations. In 1950 decade the socialist student parties like DSF was ruling amongst the colleges & universities. In late 60ies IJT entered as a powerful game player against the socialist powers. After the ban in Zia tenure the concept of the hold was appeared in the parties, which disturbed the whole structure.

Now we can see even the union of sweepers in the universities, but we can`t find any student body. The democratic process can put the violence aside.

Why those who are giving just one picture also appreciates the positive activities like book fairs, student weeks, sports competition, debate competitions, student courts, female meena bazas etc. organized in these student.

Be keeping in mind that clashes hold the ideological rivalry, which is the basic reason.


Pakistani student’s politics also provide us a good leadership like Fatheyab Ali Khan, Mairaj Mohammad, Munawwar Hassan, Hafiz Idrees, Jehangier Bader, Farooq Sattar, Javaid Hashmi etc.

Re: # 3 by stuka on December 9, 2006 2:14pm PT

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As a former student union member of the Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Paarishad, I can testify that student unions do not contribute anything positive.

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Amen brother!

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Student unions should be banned,

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No need to ban them. Only the students getting Sarkari (taxpayers` funded) education, should forgo their funding before joining Jamat, MQM, ISO, Punajb Students party etc. Pakistan is a free country. If Jamat wants their supporters, then Jamat should foot the bill for their education.

This is just like a cricket player who can get scholarship to play college cricket.
Same thing for student politicians working for Jamat or MQM. They should get money from the Qazi or Altaf.

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students who demonstrate should be given some light beating and suspension for first offense, severe beating without breaking bones and one year termination for second offence and severe beating with hospitalization and expulsion for third offense.

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Again! Amen brother. Any student involved in illegal stuff should be kicked out.

However the problem is that Jamat and MQM have got the goons who threaten University admn. with bodily harm. That`s why we ended up with ex-Military men running our schools. Sad indeed.
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As a former student union member of the Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Paarishad, I can testify that student unions do not contribute anything positive. Student unions should be banned, students who demonstrate should be given some light beating and suspension for first offense, severe beating without breaking bones and one year termination for second offence and severe beating with hospitalization and expulsion for third offense.

timely article. more please

Well I support the right of students to organize along ethnic, religious, and other chauvinistic lines.

However any right of the students is superseded by the the rights of those who put $$, rupiya, dinar, or riyal down to fund the students.

Taxpayers are the ones who foot the bill for most of the students in Pakistan`s sate colleges and universities. Taxpayers pay 1000`s of $$ so that one day these students will bring good name to the nation. Unfortunately Pakistani students have not done well compared to the students from other Asian or European universities. Thanks to Bhutto`s commie nationalization, and our politicians` runaway appetite for the ``fresh meat``, we do not have a federally funded equivalent of Hindian IITs, or Chinese universities.

There are many factors for the relative position of Pakistani universities, but student politics is one major factor that keeps student locked down in the ghetto mentality of MQM, JI, and other sundry organizations formed in the name Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Sarhad etc.


Even worse you can find Shia (ISO), and multitudes of Sunnis organizations wasting away taxpayer`s money.

So here is a solution. If JI, MQM, APSMO, ISO, Punjab student federation, or whoever wants to see the students organizations supporting their cause(s), then they (and not taxpayers) should pay for the fees and boarding. That will be fair.

Anyone who receives free (read taxpayer`s paid) education, must forgo their funds if they want to support one or the other organization.

Only exception to this rule should be the organizations or societies that are inclusive, and diverse. The ones that are multi-ethnic, and multi-religious that are squarely focused on one thing and only one thing! Improving education standards, and increasing the stature of Pakistan on the global scene.