Speculation on the Life Hereafter

Re: # 20Doc, isn`t THIS life complicated enough - that one has to go speculating after the afterlife?!!

Oh well, different strokes for different folks!!

Hi BJ,

Yes everyone hsa a different take on life, death and everything else. To me, thinking is important, feeling is life and expression is freedom:)

regards
A

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Re: # 17
Syed,
I agree with you on the life and death issue. The more you learn about life and its amazing intricacies, the more soberly you reflect on the presence of a higher wisdom governing everything. Chance alone cannot produce such miracles as life. The strangest thing is that the more you research and study, you realize how little u actually knew. For instance, if you consider genetics, it is amazing how even the alteration in the sequence of a single amino acid in a gene codon can cause major disease... there are so many things that can go wrong, that i am seriously bewildered how a normal human being is ever born! No wonder, babies are miracles. As far as death is concerned, we start our lives from the fusion of two very dead entities... one is incapable of life in a blob of semen (sperm) and the other is equally dead (ovum). Putting these two together starts an amazing process. When u understand that, life after death is simple.

Maybe it is easy for some to reject this idea, but it helps me to be a better human being. so i want to believe that i will be rewarded for any good deeds that i perform and punished for any misdeeds. If there is a one in trillion chance of me being right, i will take it. At best, i will die, there will be no heavan or hell and my elements will recycle. No harm done. If i do not believe in life after death, my worst fear would be what if from a crevice of my grave an angel creeps out... i`d rather take my chances in believing than otherwise:).

Tell me what you think on the subject.
Regards,
A

thanks for elucidating parthaab. :)
Honestly if you are interested in schizophrenia, visit an instituition and spend some time with the patients. It is a very sobering experience contrary to what we commonly portray in ``madmen``. In our own extended family we have a patient whom we always edged away from. Clinical experience taught me a whole different perspective on diseases of the mind. maybe its the way i tried to look at it. I tried to find the person behind the whole story and not the story behind the person. Now i can no longer say for sure who is more crazy...the one who agreed to be tainted by society(me) or the one who changed his perceptions of the world to stay forever innocent(him). It took alot of moral courage for me to stand among my friends and introduce my relative in the fountain house as i would have if he was not schizophrenic. and for the first time in my entire life, i saw recognition and warmth in his face. I learnt that no matter how crazy they may seem, something always gets communicated and we as a society tend to forget that. ( we do the same thing to children...try and remember your earliest memories, correlate your age with it and then reflect on how much u understood then verses what your family/ folks thought u understood.)
.....I hope i turn out to be a better person, adult and parent than i see around me.

lol
A

Re: # 15 Abee

The simple fact of ``life n death``, even recognized by the evolutionists and/or atheists, is that these cannot be characterized/described/discussed without each other.

Logically, albeit contrary to secular beliefs, these are simply different states of one`s existence. Otherwise, if existence is limited to the state called `life`, then such an existence makes no sense and renders the concepts like justice, peace, morality, compassion, etc, meaningless.

That`s what I was trying to get going on this board. Apparently some ``men`` freak out at the mere mention of the ``D`` word, as you`ve observed.

Anyway, I`d be interested in your thoughts, especially if you`re a physician.

:-)~~

Re: # 15

Abee, I have nt missed any point.

Since you have written your first message now, maybe you should look back at the flow of the debate.

And as for schizophrenia, it is a very important disease to understand, particularly in the light of superstitions and the curse that religion has turned ouot to be.

Dear friends,

Thanks for sharing your wonderful crit, even though u missed the whole point. The thread was on life after death and not schizophrenia :)!!! next time i might write something on that and get crit on life after death. The idea was to get a few ideas on life n death discussed or maybe just random thoughts. Honestly, i`d have appreciated that.

and Parthaab...please atleast clarify for my sake what religion do u follow. It doesnt matter whether u believe in life after death or not, what matters is how you respect others` believes. I`m sure noone can be certain unless they are dead... aankhein to tab hi khulain gi jab yeh ankhain band hon gi...lets not be too sure either way.

Happy living.
regards,
A

Re: # 12 nasah

``have you been hearing voices from God -- looks like you have been --``

Nope! Just saw a schizo talking to a 4 year old he couldn`t tell was his son or grandson.

``now that is ``a classic case`` of schizophrenia -- get it from one who has the license to practice medicine --``

Never has any ``licensed`` practictioner of medicine witnessed a looney accept him/herself as one. Instead, the ``licensed`` practitioners and others appear so to him/her. Case in point, post #12.

``btw I bet you didn`t know that daddy daddy is another sweet expression for grand pa either.....``

You`re right, I didn`t know that. Perhaps because I haven`t had the opportunity to live with ``special`` people [read schizo, psycho, etc]. I prefer to watch them from a distance, like this internet forum.

;-)~~

Re: # 9

Maybe these links will educate the faithful masses on hallucination and schizophrenia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia


SYMPTOMS AND CLASSIFICATION OF SCHIZOPHRENIA


Criteria (signs and symptoms)
Like many mental illnesses, the diagnosis of schizophrenia is based upon the behavior of the person being assessed. There is a list of criteria that must be met for someone to be so diagnosed. These depend on both the presence and duration of certain signs and symptoms.

The most commonly used criteria for diagnosing schizophrenia are from the American Psychiatric Association`s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) and the World Health Organization`s International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD). The most recent versions are ICD-10 and DSM-IV-TR.

Below is an abbreviated version of the diagnostic criteria from the DSM-IV-TR; the full version is available here.

To be diagnosed as having schizophrenia, a person must display:

A) Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for a significant portion of time during a one-month period (or less, if successfully treated)
delusions
hallucinations
disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence; speaking in abstracts). See thought disorder.
grossly disorganized behavior (e.g. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic behavior
negative symptoms, i.e., affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (lack or decline in motivation).
Note: Only one Criterion A symptom is required if delusions are bizarre or hallucinations consist of hearing one voice participating in a running commentary of the patient`s actions or of hearing two or more voices conversing with each other.
B) Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care, are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset.
C) Duration: Continuous signs of the disturbance persist for at least six months. This six-month period must include at least one month of symptoms (or less, if successfully treated) that meet Criterion A.
Additional criteria (D, E and F) are also given that exclude a diagnosis of schizophrenia if symptoms of mood disorder or pervasive developmental disorder are present. Additionally a diagnosis of schizophrenia is excluded if the symptoms are the direct result of a substance (e.g., abuse of a drug, medication) or a general medical condition.


Subtypes
Historically, schizophrenia in the West was classified into simple, catatonic, hebephrenic, and paranoid. The DSM now contains five sub-classifications of schizophrenia, the ICD-10 identifies 7:

(295.2/F20.2) catatonic type (where marked absences or peculiarities of movement are present),
(295.1/F20.1) disorganized type (where thought disorder and flat affect are present together),
(295.3/F20.0) paranoid type (where delusions and hallucinations are present but thought disorder, disorganized behavior, and affective flattening is absent),
(295.6/F20.5) residual type (where positive symptoms are present at a low intensity only) and
(295.9/F20.3) undifferentiated type (psychotic symptoms are present but the criteria for paranoid, disorganized, or catatonic types has not been met).


... studies examining the diagnosis of schizophrenia have typically shown relatively low or inconsistent levels of diagnostic reliability. Most famously, David Rosenhan`s 1972 study, published as On being sane in insane places, demonstrated that the diagnosis of schizophrenia was (at least at the time) often subjective and unreliable. More recent studies have found agreement between any two psychiatrists when diagnosing schizophrenia tends to reach about 65% at best.

my dear grand child ntsyed -- are you practising psychiatry without a license....:)

have you been hearing voices from God -- looks like you have been -- now that is ``a classic case`` of schizophrenia -- get it from one who has the license to practice medicine -- btw I bet you didn`t know that daddy daddy is another sweet expression for grand pa either.....:)

Re: # 9 nasah

Now Class, let`s study schizophrenia. As an example you have post #9 on this board.

This is a calssic case of undiagnosed schizophrenia. The man can`t even maintain distinction between grandpa and daddy within a span of few short sentences. Consequently, passes on his messed up thoughts to the corrupt genes his 4 year old has already inherited from him.

While the youngster has a chance of rehabilitation, if cared properly, the elder will pass on very soon unless he recognizes his self-induced condition and makes a deliberate effort to stop its further exacerbation.

Just study his disturbingly disturbed state and move on.

:-)~~

Re: # 8 parthaab

Indeed, it would be silly of one to suggest anything else, unless of course ideological suicide is desired by the producer of that suggestion, which may lead him to higher levels of intelligence. But then again, intelligence can`t be forced into the hollow skulls of athiests, agnostics, unbelievers, and disbelievers alike.

:-)~~

``but grand pa who created God`` -- well child -- lemme explain it to you.

God is a self-parthogenesis genius -- big word but simple concept for 4 year olds -- means God turned himself into an ovum -- self fertlized himself -- then attached himself to a uterine wall that he created in his mother -- a woman that he created to be his mother -- and waited in that womb for 9 months for a virgin birth (because sex is dirty and a sin).......does it make sense to you? -- yes daddy daddy -- makes a lot of sense -- it`s so simple.....golly!

# 7, ntsyed, of COURSE GOD created him and placed him there in the womb.

How silly if someone suggested anything else?

Re: # 5 parthaab

``You die - you become part of the soil.

Unless of course, you are an undiagnosed schizophrenic with a mass appeal.``

Please do tell us what was a diagnosed schizophrenic with no appeal before becoming a part of his mother while she was oblivious of him?

:-)~~

Re: # 4 nasah

``The after-life after this life is lifeless...... ``

Definitely not for the ones who will end up in mother of all pyres....they will wish it was so.

;-)~~