India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute

J-man didn`t say Kashmir was Pakiland`s jugular vein..Indians still don`t give a paki`s rear...

Quaid never termed Kashmir jugular vein of Pakistan: Amanullah

By Mariana Baabar

ISLAMABAD: As historical facts pertaining to Kashmir are being put in their correct perspective by the government, a debate has started whether Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah had called Kashmir Pakistan’s jugular vein.

Amanullah Khan, Supreme Head of the JKLF has said that the Quaid-i-Azam had never termed Kashmir as jugular vein of Pakistan as contended by many Pakistanis and in this regard if proven wrong he was ready to accept any severe punishment.

Re: # 356

Confused Qadiani,

I am as much cheerful as u are abt these images. I want ur country to be another Malaysia & be a proud neighbour of India but not an Islamic nuisance. However with people like u on horizon aiming for top jobs in Islamabad, I dont see that happening.

U needed 60 years to let these things happen. However by the time Mr. Singh became a commissioned officer, Indian minortities rose to the level of Presidencey and PMship.

(Indian Prezs: Dr. Zakir Hussain, Fakruddin Ali Ahmed, Zail Singh, Dr. Kalam).

CAN U/I EXPECT MR. SINGH TO BE THE CHIEF OF ARMY STAFF IN PAKISTAN OR A QADIANI LIKE U AS PRESIDENT OF UR REPUBLIC?

If the answer is yes, then go and have some champagne and let us know that.

Re: # 366

Anil and BJ Kumar,

U both raised an issue which I think is a non-issue.

Pak-i-stan can be the monogram of the provinces it was made-up of but it`s also meant that it`s the country of Paki people i.e Pure people. If we stop calling them Pakis, it wud amount to derecognising them as Pure people.

They called themselves as Pakis and if sounds like an abusive word, the blame lies with them, not with us. In figures of speech words convey two different meanings. It depends on the equation between the speaker and listener. I for one mean Pure whenever I use the word `Paki/Paaki`.

so unless India hands over Kashmir, Pakiland doesn`t want trade..trade that will benefit Pakiland more...

reminds me of children who won`t take their medicine unless you give them candy...

Trade ties with India linked to politicial issues: Pakistan

OUR STAFF REPORTER
ISLAMABAD-Pakistan Tuesday reiterated that its economic relations with India were definitely linked with the political reality and could not be viewed in isolation, a spokesman for Ministry of Commerce said on Tuesday.
In a statement issued here, he said Pakistan has gradually liberalized trade with India and just recently 302 new items have been made importable from India. But he added, “the economic relations between the two countries are definitely linked with the political reality and cannot be viewed in isolation.”
India is consistently exerting pressure on Pakistan to grant Most-Favoured Nation (MFN) status on reciprocal basis as it had already awarded this status to Pakistan some 10 years ago. New Delhi wants from Islamabad the same facilities it provided under South Asia Free Trade Agreement (SAFTA) for the other SAARC member countries.
However, Pakistan is demanding repeatedly to move alike on all the fronts including the core issue of Kashmir. India has already raised the issue in the SAFTA ministerial meeting held few months ago and the issue might come again under discussion during the visit of Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee to Islamabad next month.

shishapa

Some things in life are grotesque, but yet you can`t look away... that is true here... :)...

So stick around... if nothing else, you will learn more about ``these people`` across the border... it would be an eye-opener...

Re: # 366

Keep your friends close - and your enemies, even closer :)....

You may have grown up in utopia where there was no need to be anti-anything... but reality is kind of different... in real life - you need to be aware of forces who are against your values and should be able to take actions against it... that means you have to be anti-xxxx...

Jihad is a real threat to any civilized society... you need to be aware of it... you can close your eyes like gandhi`s monkey which saw no evil - but that doesn`t mean evil is going away...

#372 Yes, surprise. i am a paki too. have a nice life outside chowk.

Re: # 371

tahmed32ji,

Are you amongst these people too? OK, I will heed your warning and do just that.

shishapa: if you despise ``these people`` (i.e. us) so much, all you have to do is to stay away from chowk. excuse me, but your actions are the opposite of what you say.

Re: # 365

Kaalchakraji,

That is true with normal people. There are certain people, for them, nothing is
sufficient or enough or good enough excpet one thing...
You can`t win with these people. We have experienced such people in the past,
dealing with them now and probably will have to deal in the future.

dostmittar: That is a good point you make about this being a ``muslim only`` struggle, given that non-muslim kashmiris are not in favor. And being exclusionary of non-muslim kashmiris, it is not as deserving of sympathy as one would have.

I cant think of a good argument against it. I shall leave it for HP or Hamidm to come up with one. I shall have tea in the meantime. :-)

hamidm2:
Okay, I am back. I hope that your turkey turned out fine and without any pins in it, as happened to someone on this side of the border.

Back to where I left. You had said that moderate Kashmiris have turned to Islamists just as Palestinians have turned to hamas. This comparison is not quite valid in my opinion. Palestinians struggle was always an Arab struggle in which Christian Arabs were at the forefront: the most militant palestinian outfit was led by a Christian, George Habash; the first palestinian hijacker was Khaleda Aziz, a Christian; the most articulate palestinian was Anan Sharawi, another Christian. Contrast this with the so-called moderate kashmiri separatist outfit, the JKLF; the non-muslim kashmiris were thrown out of the valley during the JKLF insurgency before the Pak-based jihadis came into the picture. And while one can say that Hindu Kashmiris would be like Jews in Palestine and cannot be expected to support ``freedom struggle``, the fact is that even Christian, Sikh or Buddhists have provided zero support to these separatists.

If you can persuade these kashmiri separatists to be as broad-based as the PLO, they would have at least my support. Until that happens, I will never dignify their struggle as ``kashmiri`` movement and call it by its proper character, an ummah inspired Islamist movement. It is up to you whether you want to support a religion-based movement or choose to ignore its religious character and continue to call it ``supporting the kashmiris``.

Re: # 366

Anilji,

May be terrorism flowered since you were gone? May be people are just
tired of people getting killed, bombs going off, trains and building exploding?
This is probably one way of of getting even by the people who do not pay back
in the same coins like suicide bombings and terrorist activities?
I do not know, just guessing.

In these holidays, I have spent quite a lot of time on Chowk and discovered a lot.

Don`t you guys get tired of calling ``Pakis`` and other names?

It seems your creative minds never stop churning out unending stream of theories centered around only one theme, ``Anti-xxxx``. Can there not be a ``positive - xxxxx``.

Where did you all learn it? In my student days in India we never had such ``anti`` exposure. Did school curriculam changed in India?

shishapa

That`s going overoard .:) On the contrary, one can be quite certain of a very different scenario, IF we keep in mind that continuous improvement - economic, political, social - is absolutely necessary, but by no means sufficient to change the broader contours of people`s thinking, be they Muslims or Hindus or Kashmiris or Ghatis.

Re: # 362

Kaalchakraji,

Only solution I see is all Hindus becoming Muslims, getting completely wiped out.