India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute

PS: if it makes you feel better - nobody cares... nobody cares about kashmir, assam or whatever... or palestine, chechnya... except for you pakis... nobody gives a sh!t... I know you innocent pure pakis have diminished mental capacity to understand the way world works... but that`s OK... things will get better, all you have to do is get out of the house and get a drink... everything will be just fine... :)

VRV dude - take it easy... Don`t bother about Baghdad Bob aka HP... he blabbers a lot of cr@p out of his pie!hole and he makes no sense whatsoever.... And Closet Mullah32 is a known self-rigthteous jacka$$... :)

the paki brigrade here have proven themselves to be extraordinarily dense and stupid to their bones... having no touch with reality, they always start with a lot of naivete and bombast... and of course, they get the kicks in their rear because of that... they don`t like it and end up insanely hostile.... and start behaving like jumping up and down like macacas... :)

which is what baghdad bob is doing in his latest post...

shsihapa/VRV: I am not Zeus, the Serene Deus Supremo Numero Uno. just human. I have my biases. :-)

#303 Re-read my post #297 below where I didnt say anything about Indians or Pakistanis on chowk but left it to sadmd to decide for himself. So dont jump to conclusions.

As for the example you provide, HP is being as bad as the Indians. Unlike you, I have no need to run to anyone`s defense just because he is Pakistani. And note that HP was like sadmd when he first came to chowk, with a positive attitude towards all.

Re: # 304

``And note that HP was like sadmd when he first came to chowk, with a positive attitude towards all. ``

Did not you know by now, it is always fault of Indians and Hindus.

Re: # 306

Yeps - pakis are always pure as driven snow, full of milk of human kindness when they strart out in chowk... but then the evil hinuds scre!w them over and over again.... the pure innocent pakis can do nothing against hinud onslaught, they have no where to go, no defense against evil hinuds - so they become insane...

I mean - look at HP, he started out as pure as anybody, but now look at him - rants and raves like Baghdad Bob - he has already lost touch with reality... very sad really...

these hinud macacas have no shame... how can do this to pure pakis?.... :)

Re: # 312

Not only on chowk, but in real life as well, it is always fault of Indians
and Hindus.

I challenge you to find one instance throughout the history where it
was the fault of Muslims and Pakistanis in any kind of situation wrt Hindus.
MBQasim, Syed Ahmand Khan, Jinnah, Pakistanis on chowk come to mind.

Do your research...

Re: # 304

HP is as bad as Indians? So HP has right to his posion but Indians are not coz u point out abt Arjun and Bj all the time. What I say is dont be a moral adjudicator here.

HP is an epitome of what is wrong between India and Pakistan. If he`s as good or as bad Indians then lets not worry abt this chicken and egg issue.

Ahmed32,

Do u think that this is a rational debate as per ur moral standards?


by HP,

``Dal was beautiful and pristine before it was given under Indian control. Everything Indians touch becomes polluted fairly quickly.

Lake Dal has to be owned by Kashmiris again for human from Pakistan to visit it.``

If u cant condemn this kinda language and crude hate to India and Indians, then keep ur moral arse away from commenting on people like Arjun and BJ. Pl dont comment on the standards again. Thanks.


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hamid2,

come down from ur monkey branches!

please tell if this mentally retarded HP fits ur meaning of a twit?

silence cud be taken as `ayes`

vrv.

Re:HP#296

[..The reason is simple; Indians as a whole, have no concept of cleanliness and taking care of their homes and streets.....]

Ha ha!! This is coming from Pakistanis, whose cities are full of stench and filth. Forget about cities, just talk to anyone who has travelled via PIA (Pakistan`s national airlines). They have horror stories on the cleanliness on-board.

There is a chance that Kashmir is nearer a solution today than

ever before. Think of the possibilities......

We have to encourage all the leaders involved to look towards the future

because the past has not been beneficial for any of the three

parties.

It is time that South Asians quit making the Goras happy and

do something useful for themselves.

Finding a solution to Kashmir will bruise a few egos but

we certainly need to see some closure of the Kashmiri plight.

Happy Holidays!

It appears that the definitive book on partition is yet to be written - there`s quite a few PhDs waiting to be written on how the agitation for pakistan was really a ploy by smarter, braver, richer, fairer, taller, stronger, more handsome, more cultured and cleaner men with bigger penises to get away from the inferior hordes by pretending that it was all about religion.

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Alright everybody - no need to ``debate`` no more.... baghdad bob is here.... and his words, as you know, are always true... :)

Pakis and their f***ing delusions... it never ends... :)

saadmd #283 We can`t be perfect but perfection must be strived for in order to achieve excellence. I know being that tolerant is clearly dreaming too much, but moving in that direction will go a long way towards improving the state of our country.

Well said. I hope this attitude that you bring with you as a new poster to chowk lasts longer than your stay on chowk. I have seen too many well meaning people come to chowk and Gresham`s Law (bad currency drives away the good) take over. I wont say anything more on this and leave it for you to find out for yourself.

Perhaps you will trouble yourself to put your ideas down in the form of an article on chowk since that would certainly contribute to what you would like to see it seems - a healthy, mature, constructive forum for discussion, rather than a convenient means to write insults.

Hamidm,

This is so tragic that on this day of Christmas eve, I am forced to stay home to read this ridiculous debate.

A word for you first abt lake Dal. Believe me Lake Dal is no Lake Saifulmalook. Dal was beautiful and pristine before it was given under Indian control. Everything Indians touch becomes polluted fairly quickly. The reason is simple; Indians as a whole, have no concept of cleanliness and taking care of their homes and streets. Any nation that allows cows and other animals like monkeys to roam their streets and cities freely and have no problem with the animal excrement and piss allover the city, would not care very much about how a small lake is kept. Look at their polluted religious and cultural symbols like Ganga and Jamna and just think that it is an important religious rite to bathe in there for an Indian Brahmin or shudra alike.

Lake Dal has to be owned by Kashmiris again for human from Pakistan to visit it. Btw, Hamidm, I recommend you walk into any Indian home in the US unannounced and you will notice the filth and stench that for a person of your exquisite taste for fine wines, would be enough to puke instantly.

Now about Political side of the Kashmir issue:

As long as Kashmir is Indian and Pakistani Kashmir, this issue is not going anywhere. No matter how many Sikhs and Italians rule India. Kashmir was a live issue in 1948, it was alive in 1965, it has remained so since 1989. As I said, there is nothing in the world that can change Kashmir’s status to undisputed area in the current world.

However, like any other long term disputes, parties continuously change tactics. Though the overall strategy seldom changes. When Pakistan had the element of surprise on its side, they captured almost 35% of Kashmir area but since then Pakistanis have not had much success territory wise. Pakistan still has the ability to do whatever it wants in Kashmir and over the years support from the indigenous Kashmir Population has grown in Pakistan’s favor than it was way back in the 50s.

Kashmir is one good example where it is evident that democracy alone is not enough to change peoples mind about their right of self determination. Indian held Kashmir has mostly been a democratic government but majority of Kashmiris have steadfastedly remained pro-military run-Pakistan and would certainly vote for Pakistan knowing fully well that the democratic institutions they have in Kashmir may not survive their merger with Pakistan. This is a unique situation.

Since 1989, Pakistan has maintained enough pressure on India thru supporting the insurgency that now both countries are forced to rethink their tactics and strategy. Despite the mayhem Pakistani sponsored insurgents have created in Kashmir, Kashmiris have remained riveted to Pakistan side shunning Indians at every step.

Now is the time to set a right trap for India to fall into. The only country that would benefit from opening of Kashmir borders, open trade between the Kashmiris, and free movements of people in Kashmir would be Pakistan and not India. In fact, I think the new approach would bring Pakistani and Kashmiris closer faster and the demand for a free Kashmir or Kashmir joining Pakistan would grow in strength and not diminish.

With this new approach, the India army would have to give up its current positions in Kashmir. It is not always easy to redeploy the army on the borders considering that first the Indians had agreed to a peaceful and free movement of people between the two Kashmir.

The policy of supporting insurgency should now move to the next stage and that would be to support the civilian and pro-Pakistan Kashmiris leaders to take control of the state and that would happen fairly quickly after the borders are open between the two Kashmirs.

So I think there is no need to debate this issue with these nincompoops because action on the ground would prove to be more powerful in the long run.

Re: # 296

Hizra Paaki,

I dont argue abt the cleanliness of Indian cities but the words abt sweeping generalisations is characteristic of you. For sample:

1. Everything Indians touch becomes polluted fairly quickly.

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Nonsense

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2. Look at their polluted religious and cultural symbols like Ganga and Jamna and just think that it is an important religious rite to bathe in there for an Indian Brahmin or shudra alike.

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Is this any different from Muslims rubbing brick-pieces around their coituses after pissing. Btw u wud see dozens of such brick-pieces used and reused by by many guyz like u i.e baldies...get it?

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3. Lake Dal has to be owned by Kashmiris again for human from Pakistan to visit it.

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U are deluding abt ur status. Haha.

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4. Btw, Hamidm, I recommend you walk into any Indian home in the US unannounced and you will notice the filth and stench that for a person of your exquisite taste for fine wines, would be enough to puke instantly.

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Many Indians feel the same abt Paaki homes. goat droppings etc...

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4..... Kashmiris have steadfastedly remained pro-military run-Pakistan and would certainly vote for Pakistan knowing fully well that the democratic institutions they have in Kashmir may not survive their merger with Pakistan.

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Another dose of delusion similar to Niazi being told abt yellows (Chinese), whites (US) coming to Pak`s rescue in Dhaka....Paakis are in deep slumber. Think more abt the dark-skinned, flat-nosed Biharis (who call themselves as Paakis) in Bangladesh

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5. Since 1989, Pakistan has maintained enough pressure on India thru supporting the insurgency that now both countries are forced to rethink their tactics and strategy. Despite the mayhem Pakistani sponsored insurgents have created in Kashmir, Kashmiris have remained riveted to Pakistan side shunning Indians at every step.

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Admission of guilt for propping up terrorism. Agreed.

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6. Now is the time to set a right trap for India to fall into. The only country that would benefit from opening of Kashmir borders, open trade between the Kashmiris, and free movements of people in Kashmir would be Pakistan and not India. In fact, I think the new approach would bring Pakistani and Kashmiris closer faster and the demand for a free Kashmir or Kashmir joining Pakistan would grow in strength and not diminish.

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Another admission of guilt mixed with another dose of misplaced optimism aka delusion

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7. The policy of supporting insurgency should now move to the next stage and that would be to support the civilian and pro-Pakistan Kashmiris leaders to take control of the state and that would happen fairly quickly after the borders are open between the two Kashmirs.

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I take this as a hint for Indians to replace Pakistan with India and Kashmir with Balochistan. Thanks.

When rephrased it looks like this:

7. The policy of supporting insurgency should now move to the next stage .....pro-Indian Balochis leaders to take control of the state and that would happen fairly quickly .......

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8. So I think there is no need to debate this issue with these nincompoops because action on the ground would prove to be more powerful in the long run.

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I agree abt this so I repeat the same for u.

So I think there is no need to debate this issue (Balochistan) with these nincompoops aka Paakis because action on the ground would prove to be more powerful in the long run.

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