India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute

`undoing partition`

Unlikely, but what a nice thought.

Speaking more practically, since both countries are sport crazy, I think fielding joint teams for cricket/hockey at world/asia cups will bring tremendous `togatherness`.

What a thrill it would be to watch akhtar steaming in with `Greater India` emblazoned on the chest!

If only he would straighten that arm a bit :)

Ref Salim_Chauhan #111

[Blame the incompetence and cruelty of the ruling British for the terrible consequences and move on to catch up to where we could have been had our leaders had the foresight and foreskin to compromise.]

I hate to point this out but the fact is that only one party to Partition lacked foreskins.

honestly pakis...it`s easier to rename the country to paistan than actually wrestle Indian Kashmir from India...

In Pakiland, it`s more like ``I can`t believe you called yourself muslim``...


ROFL..

arjun:
you should think about getting all your quotes in one place. It would be fun..

Re: # 111

Salim bhai:

You should look into future and not the past. Partition is a view of the past just as political independence accomplished by British trained lawyers. Economic independence is the vision of the future. Technologies are the tools, technologist and entrepreneurs are architects who, not British trained lawyers will deliver the future. There is something wrong when an alumni of NED University (I am told here that it is one of the best technical university in Pakistan) claims becoming thekedar of jamadars cleaning sceptic tanks in Austin, after obtaining them thru affirmative action program is part of some $8 billion business.

There is something wrong with this dream. There is something wrong in the dream of undoing the dreadful past, leave it buried.

re: Ranjit

The answer to your questions is very difficult because the situation inside Pakistan does not lend itself to any firm conclusions.

Politically speaking, there is movement towards liberalization, but the opposition is coming from the conservative wing of the PML-Q, which opposes all ideas of a government rapprochment with PPP. The government will not oppose an alliance with PPP, but the condition is that Benazir Bhutto will have to give up the prime minister`s chair. MMA is fragmented over the issue of Women Protection Bill and Musharraf is seeking new alliances minus MMA.

The situation is too fluid to make any long lasting conclusions and it will remain as such till the next elections scheduled for the end of 2007.

Ciao

Re:ferozk#117

[..The situation is too fluid to make any long lasting conclusions and it will remain as such till the next elections scheduled for the end of 2007....]

Feroze, if Musharraf gets assassinated tomorrow, what do you think will happen in Pakistan? Will the army continue to rule or not? If it continues, will it follow the same policies?

#102 ranjit: Last time I checked, Kashmir was already ``shared`` between India and Pakistan. And last time I checked, there was a military stalemate between the two countries. But you may have more up-to-date news based on which you are telling me that India will not share Kashmir with Pakistan anymore. :-)

As for your views on Pakistani posters on chowk, I invite you to read the gibberish and plain filth written by your countrymen on your board then come and talk to me about Pakistani posters.

Anyway, it is good to have some intelligent posters like yourself on chowk who do not have the need to talk big on chowk like too many of your countrymen.

In the second para. in #119, that should be ``on this board`` and not ``on your board`` - I dont want to send you looking for another board when you can read the garbage written by your countrymen on this very board. :-)

Mohar, Anil, Harry, and HD

Undoing partition is not going back to the past. It is simply an acknowledgement of past mistakes and an earnest desire to rectify horrible consequences. Of course, it goes without saying that a unified and Pak India has to be secular, modern, democratic, and just society with the same universal rights, rules, and responsibilities for ALL citizens. Education, technology, and free enterprise have to be the foundation upon which we can build a Hindustan that we can all love and share as we lead our people out of misery, violence, backwardness, disease, and illiteracy.

I will not apologize for my hopes and dreams. At this point, Pakistanis need reunification much more than Indians, but the undoing of partition will benefit both countries. India is incomplete without ALL of Bengal, Punjab, Sindh, Kashmir, Baluchistan, and Sarhad. Religion-based politics have given us sectarian violence, dictatorship, suicide bombings, Taliban, UBL, Thackeray, and Modi.

Re: # 121

I don`t think your countrymen will agree with you... but your sentiments are appreciated... from a civilization point of view - mother india may be ``incomplete`` without all its parts, but given the ground situation - it ain`t a big deal... I mean - the ``truncated`` india, if it can be called that, still has a billion souls... we have everything we need at this point in time... all we have to do is make it work...

Sentiments are all good - but we also have to be practical... ``reunification`` cannot happen simply based on noble sentiments ... there are too many groups who will never pull in that direction...

So ``reunification`` is simply out of question - in any foreseeable future... we can definitely have US-canada or India-nepal kind of setup... I am all for that, given proper re-orientation in paki mindset and ground situation... there are quite a few pakis who have the desire to be part of indian culture, economy, opportunities... it could be a win-win...

Happy holidays...

``Here is an opportune time for New Delhi to initiate dialogue with Pakistan for solution of the “core issue” of Kashmir instead of raising “cross border terrorism.” Tomorrow will be too late. Tomorrow when Kabul will fall to Taliban – the situation that seems imminent at present - its impact will be felt in Kashmir. Then it will be hard for New Delhi to find anyone in Jammu and Kashmir with whom it could initiate dialogue.``


From greaterkashmir.com. In other words, the Kashmiri separatists will go more pro-jihadi when Musharraf succeeds in putting his stooges in Kabul with the help of jihadi organisations. In other words any `settlement` India reaches will be short-lived because Musharraf is keeping the jihadi infrastructure in Pakistan alive and well. All he is seeking is a temporary reprieve on his east so he can concentrate on winning the conflict on his west.

Re: # 121 by Salim Chauhan & Other Interactors from Pakistan

I think it is better to first achieve smaller goals. Both in India and Palistan, there is so much work to be done that, even without reunification, at least our own and our next genearation can remain busy, leaving only half an hour a day for Chowk Long-piss Tournaments. So let`s leave the question of reunification to our grandchildren. May they see such prosperity and peace that borders and partitions desolve into irrelevance on their own. Lord be praised & Merry Christmas.

Nothing bad in dreaming once in a while, eh?

Re: # 124

Typo - ``Pakistan``, not ``Palistan``. Hahaha.

Re: # 121

Two thumbs down for unification but if it were to happen, it would not
happen until Pakistan takes out the declaration of Ahmadiyas as
a non-muslim from its constitution. Such discriminatory mindset
has to go.

shishapa#126/subhashjoshi#124: so sorry to break the news boys.....but....er....um...you know how salim is sometimes.....

Why two perfectly sensible, fine gentlemen like you could seriously talk about ``reunification`` is beyond me. ha! ha!

Re: # 116
Mr. Anil I second your feeling about gone things. Once you break eggs you can not unscramble them. Otherthing though both races look differet to outside world there is big difference that is fundamental difference of polygod worshipping indians vesus monist muslims. Artifical unity does not go far. The preamble of ``There is no god but allah and muhamad is last messenger`` excludes so called unification. One may like Mr QAMA Jinnah but he proposed and people followed him so that was democratic decision. Pakistan can get engaged with Afghans and Iranians and unification is possible. There should good neighbour policy with India. Like Check and slovak republic.

Mr Anil you think about NED is wrong. This is very good college and one my female relative have got good degree and got assistantship in usacollege. Behram is graduate and he is doing good I think. He is boss and people are working for him, he bids work and wins and does work in schedule and at given price, that is what is profession of engg. What is wrong is doing work called Sanitary engg, its oldest and most important engineering work. He is manager and he know in outs of business and successful and people work for him. I do not think Indian Iitian does any thing different. We do not know he may be doing financially far better than softy as business creates good wealth. Any college will like grads doing business in usa and be successful and they will be prooud of successful engineer doing business in oil capital of usa. Many should change attitude, all education is knowledge of getting job to make money.Obviously I am talking about successful engineer not about his colorful contribution against hindu race.