India, Pakistan and the Kashmir dispute

Re:tahmed32#30

I can see a remarkable likeness to Behram in that pic.

What a day!! We get the nuke deal and we thrash South Africa in the first test match.

Three cheers for India!! Hip, hip, hooray.........

Pakistanio, kitni mirchi lagi? Come on guys, admit it. The mirchi is too much, right?

#34 by ranjit on December 18, 2006 5:15pm PT
The nuclear deal is Submission to GOD america for no nuclear use without surveillence permission approval and god knows what else Bharat has mortgaged only to ally fear of Pakistan......a country seven times smaller......talk about panic attack of bharat with wrong deal consequently

#31Harami

Women have now most rights than dead jessica lal

`A liar, Shayan won over by Manu`
Rahul Chhabra
[ 19 Dec, 2006 0118hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]


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NEW DELHI: A liar, a witness won over by Manu Sharma and the floater of an imaginary two-weapon theory. This is how Delhi High Court summed up its thoughts about Bollywood actor and hostile witness Shayan Munshi in its 61-page order.

But despite all the criticism heaped on him by a division bench, comprising Justice R S Sodhi and Justice P K Bhasin, a part of his testimony confirming the motive behind the shooting in Tamarind Court cafe on April 29 1999 proved crucial for convicting Manu for murder.

The bench observed: ``He (Munshi) has admitted that Jessica Lall was shot at by someone on her refusing to oblige him with a drink.`` This, in a way, was the court`s reply to defence counsel Ram Jethmalani`s plea during the appeal proceedings that Jessica was shot because she challenged the manhood of the killer.

Thereafter, everything that he said in his testimony in the trial court drilled holes in the prosecution case against Manu and others.

In a scathing remark about Munshi being accompanied by Manu`s former counsel during the trial — he was escorted to court by Ashok Bansal — the bench said: ``This tell-tale circumstance leaves no doubt that the new story this witness has introduced during trial is an afterthought as also a total lie at the instance of the accused.``

Justice Sodhi and Justice Bhasin dumped the two-weapon theory, observing: ``The two-weapon theory appears to be a concoction of the defence and a manipulation of evidence, in particular that of Shayan Munshi who, for the first time in court, introduced such a story.``

``He has come out with this explanation for the first time in court and we have no manner of doubt from the facts and circumstances of this case that he was won over by accused Manu Sharma,`` said the bench.

Munshi had been declared hostile after the prosecution told the trial court that he had deviated from his earlier statement to the police that on the fateful night it was only one person who had fired both the shots.

While deposing in the trial court, he claimed one shot was fired by one person at the roof of the restaurant while the other shot was fired by another at Jessica Lall. In the court, he pointed towards Manu Sharma and said he was not the man who had fired the first shot.

Munshi also claimed in the trial court that he can neither speak or write in Hindi and he signed the statement to the police in good faith. The high court, however, dismissed this plea, saying the S-I couldn`t have concocted the statement: ``Whether he had dictated his version to the sub-inspector Sunil Kumar in English or not has no significance.`` It pointed out that that the statement was recorded in Bina Ramani`s presence.

``It is significant to note that the statement of this witness was recorded on April 30 1999 itself and thereafter he never raised any grievance at any time before any authority that the police had recorded incorrect version in his statement,`` the bench said.

In the court, special public prosecutor S K Saxena had claimed Munshi understood Hindi and that he had acted in Bollywood film Jhankar Beats and given interviews in Hindi.
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Pande, this is a fairly clean summary of the situation, except for the last sentence where you reveal your peacenik tendencies. Fine, it is your article!

I would have written it a BIT differently. I would have also put up the parts which you deliberately left out – perhaps because you are a no-good dumb chicken and a peeing-in-her-pants communist!

Ever since partition, the Pakistanis leaders – civilian as well as military rulers – have always believed that at some point they can use force and deceit to wrest away Kashmir – they just need to keep trying.

Only now, after sixty years – they are finally beginning to wake up to the simple fact that they are wrong!

And the fact that one Pakistani translates into approximately one Indian – not ten!

And the fact that Pakistan is a small country!

Did I say that Pakistan is a SMALL country?!

Like the tail of an elephant – trying to pretend and putting on the airs of the elephant. Everyone in the world looks at this peculiar ``wanna-be`` creature and laughs – except for the Pakistanis who have no clue.

Well, in this game of chess, the distribution of pieces is VERY one sided and the Pakistanis are coming on the losing end. And finally….

Finally, at long last, SOME of these people have suddenly had this great brain wave…

“Hey, we are not going to win this game!” Wow, what a discovery!

So they go, “tell you what, let’s call it a draw!”

With a straight face, no less!

All of that while keeping things exactly the way they have forever been – by training jihadis, by pumping them across the border, by continuing to suppress their own weak and minorities, by continuing to shelter mob figures, and by not admitting to a SINGLE one of the sordid deeds that their dirty crowd has been turning in day in and day out – faster than the busiest of Pakistani red-light areas!

Well, good luck talking to yourself!

And, it is utterly ridiculous for the Pakistanis here to claim moral leverage of “people’s will” especially since they have a ZERO track record of the same and in fact ALWAYS shown absolute contempt for their own civilian leaders.

Therefore, the progeny of Jinnah should feel absolutely free to go F.U.D. itself!

#2
Devkant is right its the army on both sides that have employment and great share of national wealth at our expense
like screwing our priority and keeping there low i.q.in play and in forefront .....

Re: # 18

It was not Nixon`s political legitimacy but his anti-communist credentials that allowed him to make the rapprochement with China in the 1970s.

As to Aiyer, you seemed to have missed the point again. Aiyer offers a non-diplomatic channel between Pakistani officaldom, especially Musharraf, and Indian policy makers. It is in this sense, where his usefulness lies and not in his political popularity within Indian politics.

Ciao

Re: HP # 17

I would concur with your opinions.

Ciao

Re: Arjun # 16

The emerging reality is that Kashmir will be finally solved according to the Shimla Agreement of 1972.

Shimla moved the process to the settlement of the issue one step closer to a final solution, when it superceded United Nation`s demarcated line of the cease-fire and converted it into an actual Line of Control (LoC). The LoC is, in actual reality, the defacto border between Indian and Pakistani Kashmir and it is only matter of formalizing it into a dejure international border. In that respect, the process is moving forward but it still needs to navigate the emotional minefields in India and Pakistan vis-a-vis Kashmir.

Ciao

#40

I agree too.

That #17 was written under the sway of bhaang!

Which somehow seem to havegotten through to you, too.

FINALLY!

Perhaps it is the unhealthy Lahore air.

Or simply a desire - the wishful thinking which overcomes simple inconvenience of reality.

Here is a dose of the real thing, sir! It is called the reality.

The Indian position is EXACTLY what it has forever been. And the Pakistanis have not done a SINGLE thing to show a change of heart! In other words - hot air!

So, don`t start making plans to buy real estate in New Delhi just yet!

Re: # 11

The jehadi spirit (for what ever that means) took a mortal blow when the MMA was proven to be a politically minded party. The situation in Pakistan is fluid and it is unsettled because the nation is in the process of changing; changing from the policies of the past. As to FATA, the point to remember is that FATA has always been unruly and if you have not visited the region, you can be easily forgiven for believing CNN. :)

If you are really and trully interested in understanding the region and its politics, I would suggest that you read Rahimullah Yusafzai; an expert on the region who writes for The News in Pakistan and is also the ``voice of BBC`` and has been reporting on the region for the past 30 years.

Ciao

Re: # 8

Once the army is convinced, you have convinced the politicans in Pakistan.

The Islamic minded parties are around 3-5 percent of Pakistani politics and granted, they might be a nusiance, but they will never control the foreign policy because that is the preserve of the military in Pakistani politics and has been since the 1950s.

Politicans in Pakistan are not interested in foreign policy; they are interested in powers of privelege and perks. As the saying goes, the army has them by the short and the curly and once they army decides, the hearts and the minds of the politicans will gladly follow. :)

Ciao

Dear Ferozk,

So far, I have respected you as a historian from what I have read from you. Perhaps it is misplaced admiration.

When you start according weak-kneed legitimacy to people who have expressed open support for the Pakistani state-sponsored jihadist insurgency within India, not to mention all kinds of wild-ass theories in various matters of geopolitics - it clearly gives such people no legitimacy - merely makes YOU look like a chump!

Perhaps you are one of the people who got be F.U.D.dled, too!

Those who toast wine with the absolute, absolute heels of the earth should not expect to be judged as anything better!

Simple as that!!

[...Once the army is convinced,...]

yes, when the pig has stopped loving the mud, you can put some lipstick on its lips and pass it off as a horse... :)

Why would paki army ever be ``convinced`` of peace?... war is what keeps them in pwoer and pelf...

Re: # 45

I am not supporting the insurgency against India or the people who support it, if that is what you assumed.

I was merely stating the reality of political power in Pakistan.

Ciao

Dear Ferozk,

The more you argue with filth, the more filth you`ll be covered in. But I admire the way you have handled the fat nazi.

Fat Nazi`s posts speak volumes for the need for dissemination of ``Lord of the Flies`` in hindi. Maybe it will be a sort of a mirror for an incredibly sick society.