The Canadian Dream: Never Fulfilled

Well Sama i have not been to Canada but i Belive what you have stated is absulotely Reight.
It is not only in Canada but in other Conuntries as Well, Even in Pakistan i saw many of the MBA`s selling Credit Cards and Bank Policies etc..! Some of the BS or MS are working as a Clerk in Some organizations.
the thing is not that Wall, and Holes , and these Things etc.... the main thing is to be at the Right Place and anyway by the end of the day it all Money which Talks!

The `serious steps` mentioned are way too 20th century!
1. This is the age of internet, if the potential immigrant makes a decision to come to Canada and has never heard of internet, better stay put where ever he/she is. Almost all the jobs, salary data, forums, help is available for a person to make an intelligent decision. If it is a push factor rather than a pull factor, do not blame Canada for it!

2. The Canadian are two steps ahead of this. There are zillions of settlement programs out there to help out new Canadians - the password is in `ENGLISH/FRENCH`.

3. Suuuuuuure! block out any hope left for `misinformed, i-did-not-know, stranger-in-a-strange-land` new Canadians.

4. I would not trust any professional not licensed by the government. I do no trust south asian, or for that matter, any developing country`s education credentials. Period.

5. Not worth even commenting on!

I wish this was digg and I could do a thumbs down on this.

I agree whole heartedly with #10 mhrizvi. I can quote myself as another example. I could not have said it better!

Cheers.

Debate is good.

``I may disagree with what you say, but I will fight to death for your right to say it!``

http://www.hireimmigrants.ca/

Comparing Canada to the US is like comparing apples to orange. We are a small nation compared to US:

Population of Canada: 32 Million
Population of USA: 298 Million
Population of Karachi: Unofficial figures: 18 – 20 Million.
Population of Mumbai: 12 Million.

Plus what the writer wrote is partially true. However if you work hard things came come to you. And this is a personal experience.
If you aim is strictly money then go to the US if it is a good family life then come to Canada.

Q: What percentage of Canadian people are first generation immigrants?


Q2: What is the percentage of jobless people? My googling tells me that it is 6 percent. In France, Germany and neighbour countries, it is 10 percent.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070105/statscan_unemployment_070105/20070105?hub=CTVNewsAt11

is there any update on how the mukharan-mai visa holders (president musharaff alluded to this scheme) are doing in canada?

The way canadian immigration system has been designed is Unique and well planned. I don`t think you will see it`s benefit upfront .... well in some cases you will see upfront, ppl specially from lower middle class do benefit up front. When I say benefit, you see benefit as a whole ... from education to basic financial needs. A person who lands in Canada has a great prospective for his kids and also for him/her in terms of education and health...

The way the system is planned will help the country to grow tremendously in the upcoming 10, 20 years.... Everyone living in Canada will be educated ... Once when there is populations, companies and corporations will be built ... where educated workforce will play a keyrole.

Education is driven by socio-economic factors, in USA if you look at states and cities where there are lot of mexicans and afro-americans, the education system is screwed up...These are all availabe statistics ... will this be the case in CANADA? I don`t think so, why ? because all ppl residing in Canada are educated therefore the chances are slim...

I agree we cant compare canada to usa moneywise .... but, I guess with time canada will get there. The entire population of canada is as big as the state of california ... so how can money just flow ...

Re: # 44
It is my feeling the educated person is mentally handicapped emotionally.
Like when PhD driving taxi vehicle he is at sorrow like he/she lost paradise and it gives saddness. While people who go with no education has no great expectation, he was not treated very well in hardworking job in Pakistan. While when he goes to Canada he has no specialixzation or education so he is not shy for doing any job basically hard and he is much better and he can save money and tell them that he is at higher position than when in Pakistan. While educated can not fool back also as if tells he is in ``garbage`` , or digging trenches management he can not deceive. While uneducated is not expecting big job he may look for trade and make more money and do side job as he gets skills. Its mentally very hard to be educated and you leave good job back home and transform into unemployed or underemployed person. Also when you have no jobs even desi will give date. And too much sexual content atmosphere and all heat no light in cold night and racism against brown people in canada, its hopeless journey of decade till you start getting govt pension and cold and 10 month snow must be miserable body ravaned by depression and bone joint problems and slow medical help. I think is miserable for atleast 50% educated people, uneducated can do much better. Some times I feel its like war news it feels best about it reading , and exploits of expak Canadians. in moist humid hot sunny karachi . Hope soon winter is over and warm sun over canada.

Re:kamath#42

[..You are now really talking like a true Super Neo-Con vof USA !....]

Nope. I am talking like a true conservative before the Bush brand of Neocons took over the republican party after the 2000 elections. True conservatives like Ronal Reagan have always been fiscal hawks watching government waste and spending, cutting taxes for people and slashing regulations. On foreign policy, typical conservatives are not into invasions and nation building. They are for free trade, immigration that helps the country and basically free movemnt of people, goods and capital. The US is inherently conservative along these lines (even the democrats who got elected this time were the right of center conservative democrats). Thats why it kicks as$.

Canada is ONLY geographically in North America everyother way it is close to Anglo saxon U.K. or newly united Euro.

Re: # 41
Oh Boy Ranjit:
You are now really talking like a true Super Neo-Con vof USA !
You are really to show -or ape- that you are more American than Americans themselves.

It reminds me of a movie Marlon Brando acted in a movie once called , `Ugly American`

Not bad, Not bad at all how hard one tries to become an Assimilado!

Kamath

Thank God, the US has a Republican Party. The Republican Party (minus Bush) is what has saved US from becoming a Canada. The Democratic hold on the Congress had produced the great society programs of tax and spend that had brought US economy to a crawl. In the seventies, the US job market was similar to Canada in terms of lack of opportunities and high walls to climb. Ronald Reagan changed that. God bless his soul!! Reagan turned around the US and turbocharged the economy with his tax cutting, regulation slashing, free market ways. That unshackled the Americans to truly become dynamic and chase the almighty dollar in an uninhibited manner. That has benefited everyone, immigrants or otherwise.

Canada is a perfect example of political correctness on steroids and the utter failure of soclaist, leftist ideology. It is basically a backwater of the US, where people like to pretend that they live in a great country that welcomes immigrants, when in reality it is a socialist haven with a lousy economy and covert racist attitudes. When I visited Montreal, I could sense the backwardness and lack of energy there as compared to New York or Chicago. If you go to New York, you can feel the pulse throbbing with adrenaline. Montreal reminds you of a decadent, tired, old place. In other words, Canada is a place for losers, with the US is for winners.

#39 by bulleya on January 5, 2007 7:21pm PT


i have also never had any difficulty finding a business contract in canada


but that`s for super-duper businessmen like you who advise CIO/VP types on how to set up IT departments..(cough..)

......i have never had any difficulty finding a job in canada......i have also never had any difficulty finding a business contract in canada.......i have never had to wait more than a day to get a new job.........and the longest i have ever had to wait to get a business contract is two months......

........the job market in canada, for those with professional qualifications, is stronger than that in europe, but weaker than that in usa..........it is also higher paying than europe, but lower paying than usa (though with the steep decline of us dollar, it is getting equal)........

.........when i moved to canada from usa, i had the same job, but took a 30% pay cut in real dollar terms......and i would still get more job offers and business contracts in usa than in canada........

.......so if a qualified person`s aim is to get a really good job or make a lot of money, they should head for the usa and not to canada.........however, if a qualified person`s aim is to move into a more equatible society, while having a relatively decent job, they should move to canada....

.........the number of qualified immigrants not having jobs matching their qualifications in canada, will always be higher than in usa (or probably in europe also)........the reason is simple........canada only lets in qualified immigrants.......you have to have a bachelors degree with job experience to get in........and there is barely any illegal immigration into canada......the aim is to get these people into the canadian system, as residents, with or without a job........not for companies to bring in only those that they need..........

........secondly, the usa gives qualified immigrants a green card, after they have found a job and have been working on h-1 visas for a few years........hence in the usa, it is survival of the fittest for qualified immigrants.......either you get a job or you go home......so one only sees the immigrants who got jobs........in canada, every qualified immigrant gets in, with or without a job..........some will find one and some will not...........hence one sees more qualified immigrants who have lower qualification jobs........in the usa, they would have been forced to go home as they would not have gotten green cards........

..........it is nearly impossible for any country to bring in immigrants, in mass, and then provide them with jobs equal to their qualifictions.........the only method to accomplish that is the us method, i.e. the immigrant first gets a job him/herself and is then allowed to stay....

.........what is the solution to this problem....i am not sure there is one.........in a free market economy, money and talent will flow to where it can be best utilized.......in fact, after india and china, the third highest no of foreign workers visas given to IT professionals in usa are from canada!.........

.........the canadian society is designed to look provide facilities to the poorest and lower middle class, i.e. to give everyone a basic standard of life......it does so for everyone, incluidng immigrants.........the flip side of this is that there will be less higher paying jobs (though fewer poor people)..........

It appears in Canada not many people have jobs unless very qualified and good personality and good hygine and sofisticated eglish. It looks its tough country. I never see any mention of Canadian products or anything but they check people and admit people by some point system.
Also never heard any new companies by immigrants like usa. It may be like britain without aristocratic class.

I feel Canada is most advanced thirdworld country exporting resources and temperaturewise coldest with 10 months of snow and dampening inovative initiative of Immigrants ( may be 10 months of snow leads to depressive mentality) ?.

#20Legal immigration is always controlled by the host country and in there interest.No matter how happy they are ,it is either at the sacrifice of the immigrant or the immigrant country which breed them from infancy .....I fully agree with the post stating the fact in summation the whole truth and picture....Canada or uSA has nothing to lose but only to gain


#20`` If other PhDs don`t have what it takes to find a job, Canada has nothing to lose. After all, those cabbies are not drug smugglers and usually raise children with very good education, hence benefitting the economy in the long run. ``

It`s an interesting article and i wonder how much of this is anecdotal. I can find overqualified workers both foreign-born and natives who are languishing in dead-end jobs unrelated to their field of interest in the US. I wouldn`t extrapolate from that to damn the entire immigrant experience.
What i have heard is that it is relatively easy if you are highly educated to get an immigrant visa to canada which means that there are a great many more accidental (i.e. non-motivated) academically qualified immigrants in canada compared to the US. This could be another factor.
I don`t get your comparison of BC to ``other comparable international cities.
In favor of your argument somewhat, canadian universities are quite parochial when it comes to hiring for teaching jobs - they explicitly favor canadian citizens and canada educated. Strange considering the faculty hired 2 generations ago were mainly british and they`re doing all right.

Re: # 33

Jang, my good French Canadian bud is chief economist for the fisheries in St. Johns, New Foundland, and he makes peanuts compared to his friends in the US. The Canadian market is saturated with too many PhDs and there are very few jobs to go around.

#33 by jang

Jang take note of #32 ...

#32 zeemax...new england is full of french-canadian professionals from mcgill, u sherbrook etc. we make fun of them due to their accent. do you know why they work here and apply for the green-card? because there are not enough opportunities in quebec (and its frozen for 9 months)

....contd...#31

...or better yet, move back to Pakistan and serve your country. What the heck is anyone doing in Canada anyway?

Learn French and move to Montreal. Quebec is another country. It is not North America, it is Europe.

the best assimilation of immigrants is evident in india..thousands of years of history.

saima
apparently all the evidence is that us and canada are doing far better job at integrating immigrants than europe, i personally think UK is getting there as well.

Just wrapping yourself in `Teeranga` does not make you any patriot for your information i have nothing to do with Pakistan.........born and educated in India so i am well aware of strength and weaknesses.....India is totally different country than its neighbour both in size and for that matter everything from econmy to human resources...if you want to compare be more realistic and do that vis vis to China....And if your statistics show Indian immigrants doing well in USA more power to them and my congratulation i being one of them

on the report posted below,

Chart 1: Birthplace of Engineering and Technology Immigrant Founders

India 25%+
IRan: ~2.5~
Pakistan: too low to show on chart...

pg 25:

Chart 10: Intellectual Property Contributions of U.S. Immigrant Non-citizens –
PCT Applications by Nationality – 1998 to 2006

Pakistan doesn`t even show up...

Then there`s this chart on pg 31

Chart 15: Origins of Engineering and Technology Company Immigrant Founders in
Silicon Valley, CA

again...pg 22

Chart 9a: Immigrant-Founder Origins in the Innovation/Manufacturing-Related
Services Field

Pakistan 1%
India 24%

#24 by okhla99 on January 4, 2007 7:30pm PT



That wasn`t my post..this shah dude told someone not to go on like a broken record so I re-copied chaltahai`s post just to get his goat..

in any case, this whole i`m ok you`re ok we are the world attitude of yours isn`t backed up by the facts and the raw data..

take a look at the report posted in #23
http://memp.pratt.duke.edu/downloads/americas_new_immigrant_entrepreneurs.pdf

Indians dominate the field and the number of hi-tech(or otherwise) companies founded by pakis can be counted on the tips of my fingers...of one hand....

Re: # 19

Intelligent person Arjun,

I would disagree with you on this. I have worked with young engineering students of both countries and I find them to be remarkably similar in attitude, approach, capability etc.

I have also met a huge number of decent Indians from different vocations who have been an absolute delight to know, quite unlike the Chowk Indians.

While your witty posts generally have an uncomfortable ring of truth, your attempts to paint ALL Pakistanis as Jehadis are immature and crude. Cool it man.

Re: # 19

Intelligent person Arjun,

I would disagree with you on this. I have worked with young engineering students of both countries and I find them to be remarkably similar in attitude, approach, capability etc.

I have also met a huge number of decent Indians from different vocations who have been an absolute delight to know, quite unlike the Chowk Indians.

While your witty posts generally have an uncomfortable ring of truth, your attempts to paint ALL Pakistanis as Jehadis are immature and crude. Cool it man...

Re: # 4
Ustad Arjun:
here is the URL for the report.
http://memp.pratt.duke.edu/downloads/americas_new_immigrant_entrepreneurs.pdf
Wa Salaam

Kamath

#19...``How do you club ,Indian and Chinese with Pakistanis and Middle easterners..is beyond every``
While you talk about India you probably dont read the news of trains being bombed by Naxalites several of them in one month while i was there in 2005

#15 ....Exactly my point...just b/c i have been sucessful i do not pontify ...as to helping may be others have more substantial work than your``coachings``.....

There is difference between literate and educated too being ....skilled and professional and so on and so on....

Hello,

I am a professional living in canada who got a good job after `qaid-e-ba-mushaqqat` of 1.5 years. Am now here for 5+ years. Technically, I have been put into the shoes of both conflicting parties. My father has lives in the US which provides me with an eye to compare the US job scene as well.

What this article says is partially true and what Rizvi says is also true from his angle.

The truth as it seems to me is that Canada does not have as fluent a job market as the US has. And this has nothing to do with immegration. This is a national trait which just happens to be like this. Here, if you get a job, the chances of getting fired are far less than the US but then, while hiring, they have all these checks to make sure that they get the right person.

Immegration as seen from the eyes of Canadian govt. would be something they always gain from. They would love immegrants like rizvi who have the talents to penetrate this job market by adapting themselves to whatever it takes. If other PhDs don`t have what it takes to find a job, Canada has nothing to lose. After all, those cabbies are not drug smugglers and usually raise children with very good education, hence benefitting the economy in the long run.

My brother who had an incomplete BBA from a mediocre rawalpindi university is doing the job he is supposed to be doing. Why? Because he has what it takes to find a job. And trust me, it has nothing to do with your qualifications. You have got to acquire the north american `geedher-singhi` for this.

#11 by Shah2 on January 4, 2007 1:48pm PT


Stop repeating lke a broken records and riding your hollier than thou high horse


How do you club ,Indian and Chinese with Pakistanis and Middle easterners..is beyond every ounce of economic and financial happeneings in this world. Some peolpe make cars..others blow them up. That is the only nexus here.

As far as the failure bit..this is because canada is still chasing the multi-culti misguidedness. It is a failed paradigm..like the UK and Europe.

#17 by Brother_Zamanov on January 4, 2007 3:39pm PT


does the canadian government have in recruiting foreign immigrants, giving them residency/citizenship


Probable causes:
1. Canuckistan is a socialist craphole and the gubmint isn`t exactly efficient at rooting out such problems.
2. The immigration lawyers probably make a killing on this.
3. Various ethnic groups will oppose any changes to the immigration laws.

mhrizvi, I have some questions about your experience in canada. Please contact me via email (zamanov at gmail dot com) or let me know how I can get in touch with you. Thanks.

If what Ms Shah has outlined in her piece is applicable across the board to highly qualified migrants then what incentive does the canadian government have in recruiting foreign immigrants, giving them residency/citizenship and within three years see them move away with their skills to other countries? You would think that after a few years they would do something about this loss of tax base and its related consequences....

Re #10,

``Canada has a test, pass it and you can be a doctor here..``

Unfortunately, it`s not as simple as that.

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html

``Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors?
While millions of Canadians can’t find a doctor, thousands of foreign physicians can’t get a licence to practise .......``

Re: # 13
Shah2

My apologies if I sounded condescending. That was not my intention. I make a lot of effort to coach and place friends from the subcontinent.
My reasoning for being blunt was to create awareness about the bitter truth.
And lastly you mention age and maturity and Baqol Ghalib “ borhapa” and “ buzurgee” is not synonymous as well
With respects

Re: # 12
Bhai Kulharee I respect your opinion but couldn`t disagree with you more. If you work in a corporate environment and you are the smartest cookie, for example a programmer in our industry but you can`t understand the requirements or you can`t explain the functionality of a program that is supposed to solve business problems. that is no good.
You can`t work in isolation in any industry! I would rather hire a well rounded individual than an genius programmer with no communication skills. There are excepstion to this rule, like if you are painter or a musician or doing some sort of research and your employer is willing to translate your findings from your native language.
this is my perspective. I don`t want to debate it with you but i think we should settle on agreeing to disagree.
regards

#10..mr Mrizvi there is always an exception to any rule...you seem to have been most recent youngest immigrant batch ......there are many stories of success of immigrants in north America but there are nightmares too and to brush them aside by your condescending reasons which are at best unreliable and not to say by your young age immature

Re: # 10

Rizvi Sahib, don’t know what schools you have attended, but being a cabbie or a restaurant worker requires finer communication skills than e.g., working in a lab as a pharmacologist. So this stuff about Desis not possessing better communication skills is nonsense. Canadian job market sucks. There are not enough jobs to go around. A PhD Physicist doesn’t need a degree in English to be able to find a job. And Bio-Data is the same as a resume, only a different term. The poorly constructed resumes that you get at your job is no indication of an applicant’s ability to perform at work. One could pay someone 500 bucks to have a resume professionally done, while not even knowing how to wipe his ass.

#6#5#4
Stop repeating lke a broken records and riding your hollier than thou high horse..

I disagree. I am graduate from Karachi, Pakistan (FAST ICS and IBA), moved to Canada July 2nd 2003, started my job Aug 11th , 2003. I think I have been very fortunate to find a job of my liking in such a short time and I do not question the element of luck in this. What I disagree with is the attitude of whining and complaining. I am in position where I hire a lot of people and being in IT, I deal with a lot of people from different countries and cultures. All the statistics that you have mentioned are most likely true. However, from my perspective the reasons are as follows: (I am no being cruel. I am sensitive to their needs as I am an immigrant myself. What I am criticizing is the whining and complaining without a justified reason).

1. Lack of communication skills (not necessarily English speaking skill). The job market in North America is very competitive. You should able to present yourself professionally and sell yourself. I see this as a very rare trait in immigrants from the sub continent. I have met people who can’t speak one sentence of English. I have met people who can speak English but can’t present themselves professionally. I have seen resumes titled bio-data, with a picture on it, passport number, wedding date, number of kids, etc. It is unfortunate but I don’t think these people ever found a job, went back to their countries and told people Canada sucks.
2. Lack of awareness about an invention called Deodorant. ( honest to God, I have interviewed and worked with people who have nasty body odor)
3. I also know a doctor who is driving cab in Toronto. He was a doctor in Karachi but I think he should have been driving a cab in Karachi as well. I know how he graduated with his political party workers threatening the professors in SMC. Canada has a test, pass it and you can be a doctor here. Don’t complain…suck it up!

Honestly, I think if you are smart enough and have sharp communication skills, no one can stop you. It is tough in the beginning but you need to understand the differences between sub continent’s and North American corporate culture. A lot of this responsibility falls on the immigrants like myself who are settled and should take some time out to guide the new comers in basic communication skills and everything else will fall in place.

Regards

the job category immigration to the us is dependent upon an employer wanting the person. for canada its some kinda grading system where a bogus degree gets you the immigration whether the employer wants you not.

A very realistic portrayal of the way things are in Canada. The canadians are looing for skilled technicians and not highly qualified professionals. Essentially a doctor who works as a lab technician or an engineer who works as a mechanic is fine, but trying to get a job as a skilled professional can be a nightmare.

Saima,

You surely must be talking BS. Romair had been convincing all of us about the multiple benefits of canadian society. Of course, he never directly discussed the Job sector but still the general impression he gave is so far from your version. And surely he cant be wrong!!

Rgds,
Avkrishna

hahahahGlobal demographics show that it is the era of the foreigner from Asia. The indisputable fact is that the most motivated and mobile people on this planet are from India, China, Pakistan and Middle East et al`` hahaha

How do you club ,Indian and Chinese with Pakistanis and Middle easterners..is beyond every ounce of economic and financial happeneings in this world. Some peolpe make cars..others blow them up. That is the only nexus here.

As far as the failure bit..this is because canada is still chasing the multi-culti misguidedness. It is a failed paradigm..like the UK and Europe.

The problem is obviously canuckistan and not the immigrants qualifications...anyone who`s done business in the IT sector canada knows that there`s very little of it...and yet the canuckistanis continue to give out their equivalent of the green card for IT workers....

The indisputable fact is that the most motivated and mobile people on this planet are from India, China, Pakistan and Middle East et al.


umm..pakistanis? motivated for jihad maybe...

Motivated to start companies: Indians, Chinese, taiwanese, russians, israelis..


Immigrants behind 25 percent of startups

By RACHEL KONRAD, AP Technology Writer 1 hour, 32 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - Foreign-born entrepreneurs were behind one in four U.S. technology startups over the past decade, according to a study to be published Thursday.
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A team of researchers at Duke University estimated that 25 percent of technology and engineering companies started from 1995 to 2005 had at least one senior executive — a founder, chief executive, president or chief technology officer — born outside the United States.

Immigrant entrepreneurs` companies employed 450,000 workers and generated $52 billion in sales in 2005, according to the survey.

Their contributions to corporate coffers, employment and U.S. competitiveness in the global technology sector offer a counterpoint to the recent political debate over immigration and the economy, which largely centers on unskilled, illegal workers in low-wage jobs.

``It`s one thing if your gardener gets deported,`` said the project`s Delhi-born lead researcher, Vivek Wadhwa. ``But if these entrepreneurs leave, we`re really denting our intellectual property creation.

Wadhwa, Duke`s executive in residence and the founder of two tech startups in North Carolina`s Research Triangle, said the country should make the most of its ability to ``get the best and brightest from around the world.``

The study comes nearly eight years after an influential report from the University of California, Berkeley, on the impact of foreign-born entrepreneurs.

AnnaLee Saxenian, now dean of the School of Information at UC-Berkeley, estimated immigrants founded about 25 percent of Silicon Valley tech companies in 1999. The Duke study found the percentage had more than doubled, to 52 percent in 2005.

California led the nation, with foreign-born entrepreneurs founding 39 percent of startups, even though they make up only 25 percent of the state`s population. In New Jersey, 38 percent of tech startups were founded by immigrants, followed by Michigan (33 percent), Georgia (30 percent), Virginia (29 percent) and Massachusetts (29 percent).

Saxenian, also co-author of the new study, said the research debunks the notion that immigrants who come to the United States take jobs from Americans.

``The advantage of entrepreneurs is that they`re generally creating new opportunities and new wealth that didn`t even exist before them,`` Saxenian said. ``Just by leaving your home country, you`re taking a risk, and that means you`re willing to take risks in business. You put them in an environment that supports entrepreneurship, and this is the logical outcome.``

Researchers started with a list of 28,766 companies classified as technology and engineering companies in Dun and Bradstreet`s Million Dollar Database, which lists companies with more than $1 million in revenue and at least 20 employees. Researchers were able to reach senior executives to determine the backgrounds of key founders for 2,054 of the tech startups.

Immigrants were most likely to start companies in the semiconductor, communications and software niches. They were least likely to enter the defense sector.

One of the study`s biggest surprises was the extent to which Indians led the entrepreneurial pack. Of an estimated 7,300 U.S. tech startups founded by immigrants, 26 percent have Indian founders, CEOs, presidents or head researchers, the study found.

Indian immigrants founded more tech startups from 1995 to 2005 than people from the four next biggest sources — United Kingdom, China, Taiwan and Japan — combined.

``People who come from India are laser-focused on technology,`` said Rosen Sharma, who immigrated from India in 1993 and is now president and chief executive officer of Palo Alto-based management software company SolidCore Systems Inc. ``They come here and they learn to tell a story and paint a vision. Once you have those two things, you`re off to the races.``

The Duke researchers also found that foreign-born inventors living in the United States without citizenship accounted for 24 percent of patent filings last year, compared with 7.3 percent in 1998.

Without permanent citizenship, inventors are more likely to take valuable intellectual property elsewhere — and U.S. companies would have to compete with them, Wadhwa said.

``The bottom line is: Why aren`t these people citizens?`` Wadhwa said. ``We`re giving away the keys to the kingdom. This is a big, big deal once you figure out what this means for U.S. competitiveness.``

It was even 20 yeatrs ago when in one of my trip to Toronto i met a Indian mining Engineer who was obviously unemployed and he sarcastically revealed that he now spent all day viewing on hisvcr..`Kalapathar` a hindi film about coal mines most of his time imagining that he is working there !!

Canadian immigration policy is probably the most cruel in North America. The sole purpose of this policy seems to be to hire the most educated taxi drivers in the world. I have seen PHDs and medical Doctors driving taxis as a profession since Candian Job Market does not recognize their qualification. Job Market requires Canadian experience and expects an immigrant to born with it or have it from mothers womb. I personally know many Pakistanis who have returned back to Pakistan after enduring this bullshit and many more who now cannot. I also know many who have moved to US after getting Canadian citizenship which they term as ``teen saal qaid ba mushaqat``.

I would advice all those Pakistanis who intend to move to Canada to make a penfriend first in Canada and get to know the true (horror) stories of Candian immigration before they decide to put their families through this horrific ordeal.

wow .. romair had painted a painted a picture of milk-n-honey esp for pakistani immigarnts...and i was hearing something very different from french-canadians coming states-side..closer to what you post.