Ahmer Muzammil December 13, 2006
#23 Posted by mohar11 on December 16, 2006 5:05:16 pm
Re: # 22
[... Got Beef?...]
Dude, I told you, I got everything... beef, pork, double-decker burgers with red strips of bacon... everything... :)... big fat sausages for your islamo-fascist a00 - how does that sound?...
New to chowk, are you?
[... Got Beef?...]
Dude, I told you, I got everything... beef, pork, double-decker burgers with red strips of bacon... everything... :)... big fat sausages for your islamo-fascist a00 - how does that sound?...
New to chowk, are you?
#22 Posted by abu_safwaan on December 16, 2006 4:23:33 pm
Re: # 21
What i want right now is a juicy hamburger. Got Beef? On a side note, Hindu intellectual? isnt that an oxy-moron? You know wat those r dont ya? oh yeah and dont forget to correct my spelling mistakes of r=are and ya=you. Hamburger takes precedence over everything however, so get movin.
What i want right now is a juicy hamburger. Got Beef? On a side note, Hindu intellectual? isnt that an oxy-moron? You know wat those r dont ya? oh yeah and dont forget to correct my spelling mistakes of r=are and ya=you. Hamburger takes precedence over everything however, so get movin.
#21 Posted by mohar11 on December 16, 2006 4:04:53 pm
Re: # 19
[..tell us more mr. science...]
Sure thing, dude.... With a brain ravaged by years of rampant bedouinism, you need to start from the basics... you will have to re-learn the whole concept of god, religion, life etc. etc... and even the spellings... not that I am a grammar-nazi - but just to make the point that you know so little about the world around you...
How about that for a start?... does that work for you or do you want more?... You know, as Mr Science - I have a lot of ``intellectual`` stuff in my pocket... want it? ... :)
[..tell us more mr. science...]
Sure thing, dude.... With a brain ravaged by years of rampant bedouinism, you need to start from the basics... you will have to re-learn the whole concept of god, religion, life etc. etc... and even the spellings... not that I am a grammar-nazi - but just to make the point that you know so little about the world around you...
How about that for a start?... does that work for you or do you want more?... You know, as Mr Science - I have a lot of ``intellectual`` stuff in my pocket... want it? ... :)
#20 Posted by abu_safwaan on December 16, 2006 3:19:45 pm
Re: # 19
ouch it must have pained a bit, we r pickin on spelling mistakes now! from theological discussion to a spelling bee ehh? Anyway if it helps u sleep better than i`ll play along. My apologies in advance cause i know i have made errors again, tell us more mr. science.
ouch it must have pained a bit, we r pickin on spelling mistakes now! from theological discussion to a spelling bee ehh? Anyway if it helps u sleep better than i`ll play along. My apologies in advance cause i know i have made errors again, tell us more mr. science.
#19 Posted by mohar11 on December 16, 2006 12:39:29 pm
Re: # 18
[....you might have to burn in eternal hell fire for your stubbornness. I am just playing the odds man, you seem to be too sure of ur dillusions...]
The word is delusion... :) ... But that`s fine - I will burn in eternal hell fire.... and you, the pure muslim, will enjoy eternally virgin p****ies, all 72 of them... and some gilman young boys too...
and yet I am the one who has ``dillusions``... :)
[....you might have to burn in eternal hell fire for your stubbornness. I am just playing the odds man, you seem to be too sure of ur dillusions...]
The word is delusion... :) ... But that`s fine - I will burn in eternal hell fire.... and you, the pure muslim, will enjoy eternally virgin p****ies, all 72 of them... and some gilman young boys too...
and yet I am the one who has ``dillusions``... :)
#18 Posted by abu_safwaan on December 16, 2006 11:55:15 am
RE#16 & 17:
Yes offcourse. We should listen to you morons because after all you invented the wheel. Get over your vegetarian self and put on a deodrant first and then pretend to be an intellectual. Islam can`t be blamed for idiotic actions of muslims. Use your common sense if you have any. religion can be blamed if there is discrepency in scriptrue or if the actions of prophet (PBUH) were faulty. If you have minimal intellect then you won`t resort to the stupidities from pat robertson as a proof of Quran`s deficiency.
Whether there is a GOD or not and how are we suppose to go about our lives, that`s a question that will be resolved without the shadow of a doubt when we pass away and meet that ``big man`` in the skies. If your theory is correct and this life was a big party where i should have drank myself to sleep every night and I should have lied, cheated and broke every ``supposed`` command of the big man in the skies then you & I will be treated pretty much similarly. But if heavens forbid your theory doesnt come to fruition then you might have to burn in eternal hell fire for your stubbornness. I am just playing the odds man, you seem to be too sure of ur dillusions.
Yes offcourse. We should listen to you morons because after all you invented the wheel. Get over your vegetarian self and put on a deodrant first and then pretend to be an intellectual. Islam can`t be blamed for idiotic actions of muslims. Use your common sense if you have any. religion can be blamed if there is discrepency in scriptrue or if the actions of prophet (PBUH) were faulty. If you have minimal intellect then you won`t resort to the stupidities from pat robertson as a proof of Quran`s deficiency.
Whether there is a GOD or not and how are we suppose to go about our lives, that`s a question that will be resolved without the shadow of a doubt when we pass away and meet that ``big man`` in the skies. If your theory is correct and this life was a big party where i should have drank myself to sleep every night and I should have lied, cheated and broke every ``supposed`` command of the big man in the skies then you & I will be treated pretty much similarly. But if heavens forbid your theory doesnt come to fruition then you might have to burn in eternal hell fire for your stubbornness. I am just playing the odds man, you seem to be too sure of ur dillusions.
#17 Posted by mohar11 on December 16, 2006 9:53:36 am
Re: # 13
you are asking a lot of hypothetical questions... what if this. what if that... well, things as they exist today ain`t like what you wish them to be... mullahs are wrong, madrassa`s are citadels of big0try, and backwardness.... muslims have been failures in most part and islam has proved to be cause their backwardness.... that`s the reality...
The poisond russian spy - did you talk to him?... what did he say?... and who cares what a jacka$$ ex-KGB russian spy has to say about anything... he deserved the death he got - since when dying russian spies became source of any kind of wisdom... Clutching at straws, are you?
you are asking a lot of hypothetical questions... what if this. what if that... well, things as they exist today ain`t like what you wish them to be... mullahs are wrong, madrassa`s are citadels of big0try, and backwardness.... muslims have been failures in most part and islam has proved to be cause their backwardness.... that`s the reality...
The poisond russian spy - did you talk to him?... what did he say?... and who cares what a jacka$$ ex-KGB russian spy has to say about anything... he deserved the death he got - since when dying russian spies became source of any kind of wisdom... Clutching at straws, are you?
#16 Posted by taikonaut on December 16, 2006 7:34:00 am
Re: # 14 by ntsyed on December 16, 2006 4:41am PT
Re: # 13
``I said, ’Well son, as you wish. We already have one Muslim in our family -
Here comes Neil Armstrong and the azan on the moon. Mullahs are always ahead of everyone else.
And if it is not the moon, then the Mullahs are too happy to convert all the crooks, spooks, and criminals from the US jails.
Sad indeed.
#15 Posted by parthaab on December 16, 2006 6:48:57 am
Even his father has made it clear that he is not responsible for his son`s actions! US President George W Bush is battling criticism over Iraq and many other issues but now it is his father who says that he is not responsible for his table manners. During a chance encounter with Manmohan Singh in the lobby of the Four Seasons Hotel here last night, Bush Sr. asked the Indian Prime Minister how he was getting on with his son. ``I said very well,`` Singh told reporters onboard his flight to Delhi today. But the former US President said something more which Singh did not reveal. ``If you do not like his table manners don`t blame me,`` Bush joked and pointing to his wife Barbara said, ``blame her!``
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/003200612161921.htm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/003200612161921.htm
#14 Posted by ntsyed on December 16, 2006 4:41:52 am
#13 Posted by ntsyed on December 16, 2006 4:29:46 am
Re: # 12 by mohar11
I don`t mean to interrupt your self-indulgence via oral defecation, but what if all that you say turns out to be 100% wrong?
What if there is a God, and He Does care about who/what you worship, and even you worship at all or not...what would a bania like you do?
What if the He manages the big universe and keeps account of every prostration made for His pleasure....which position a bania like you will be in to not have offered even one such prostration?
What if the mullah in the madrassah knew everything correctly and told us correctly, and it DOES make a BIG difference to worship God....how would a bania like you like to have his feet fed to him?
I think you should have talked to the Russian spy recently poisoned to death before he passed away. Read about his last wishes, and I`m hopeful you`ll know what you`ve missed and continue to miss.
Please don`t be embarrassed if you cannot muster an intelligent and civilized response. I`m prepared to respect your handicap.
:-)~~
I don`t mean to interrupt your self-indulgence via oral defecation, but what if all that you say turns out to be 100% wrong?
What if there is a God, and He Does care about who/what you worship, and even you worship at all or not...what would a bania like you do?
What if the He manages the big universe and keeps account of every prostration made for His pleasure....which position a bania like you will be in to not have offered even one such prostration?
What if the mullah in the madrassah knew everything correctly and told us correctly, and it DOES make a BIG difference to worship God....how would a bania like you like to have his feet fed to him?
I think you should have talked to the Russian spy recently poisoned to death before he passed away. Read about his last wishes, and I`m hopeful you`ll know what you`ve missed and continue to miss.
Please don`t be embarrassed if you cannot muster an intelligent and civilized response. I`m prepared to respect your handicap.
:-)~~
#12 Posted by mohar11 on December 16, 2006 12:49:18 am
PS: not that this will enter your bedouinism-damaged brain, but let me try nonetheless...
God, if there is ever one, doesn`t really care about who/what you worship, or even you worship at all... The big man in the sky has a big universe to manage - he doesn`t give a flying fu88k about if a bunch of camel-humping nincompoops upend their a$$es five times a day...
That`s truth... so forget all that your mullah told you in that madressah, mullah doesn`t know jack... worshipping Old Joe, or Old Mo or an Old Monkey makes no difference... get it?
God, if there is ever one, doesn`t really care about who/what you worship, or even you worship at all... The big man in the sky has a big universe to manage - he doesn`t give a flying fu88k about if a bunch of camel-humping nincompoops upend their a$$es five times a day...
That`s truth... so forget all that your mullah told you in that madressah, mullah doesn`t know jack... worshipping Old Joe, or Old Mo or an Old Monkey makes no difference... get it?
#11 Posted by mohar11 on December 16, 2006 12:19:48 am
Re: # 8
In your dreams, mian, only in your wildest dreams...... bania is never so stupid, not even in his worst day... :)....
But you followers of bedouinims have been pretty stupid these days - very intolerant, ideological and blind to reality... that verse represents a very medieval and backward mindset - it explains perfectly why you guys are in the dumps these days - killing one another mercilesslessly as much as you get killed by kafirs...
In your dreams, mian, only in your wildest dreams...... bania is never so stupid, not even in his worst day... :)....
But you followers of bedouinims have been pretty stupid these days - very intolerant, ideological and blind to reality... that verse represents a very medieval and backward mindset - it explains perfectly why you guys are in the dumps these days - killing one another mercilesslessly as much as you get killed by kafirs...
#10 Posted by nasah on December 15, 2006 9:09:00 pm
``Shame on Wolfowitz, Chenny, Rumsfeld, Rove and all the neo-con gangsters for creating this mess in Iraq.``(author)
neither `shame` nor even Nuremberg gallows can wipe out the blood of half a million Iraqis dead -- thousands of dead and wounded Americans -- from the deathly claws of these 4 war criminal vultures.
neither `shame` nor even Nuremberg gallows can wipe out the blood of half a million Iraqis dead -- thousands of dead and wounded Americans -- from the deathly claws of these 4 war criminal vultures.
#9 Posted by zeemax on December 15, 2006 4:55:12 pm
#5 by Urstruly
Thanks for your beutiful posts ... as always!
Thanks for your beutiful posts ... as always!
#8 Posted by abu_safwaan on December 15, 2006 2:36:35 pm
Re: # 7
And this wisdom exuding from someone who thinks that cow urine is the purest thing on the face of this earth and his alive mother should burn with his father`s dead body. End must be near.
And this wisdom exuding from someone who thinks that cow urine is the purest thing on the face of this earth and his alive mother should burn with his father`s dead body. End must be near.
#7 Posted by mohar11 on December 15, 2006 2:30:13 pm
Re: # 5
[...Look at the beauty of this prose, even when it is translated:...]
Well - a pond of mud and stagnant water sure looks beautiful to a pig... beauty, as they say, definitely lies in the eyes of the beholder... :)
That prose is epitome of intolerance and stupidity...
[...Look at the beauty of this prose, even when it is translated:...]
Well - a pond of mud and stagnant water sure looks beautiful to a pig... beauty, as they say, definitely lies in the eyes of the beholder... :)
That prose is epitome of intolerance and stupidity...
#6 Posted by abiraash05 on December 14, 2006 7:37:04 pm
Please read Dahr Jamail`s (indy reporter) reports on the Iraq Study Group. It is a bankrupt, hegemonic effort for oil. People behind the ISG it are the most hawkish, conservative people. People against the war should be condemning it strongly and seeing it for what it is: Dahr states:
``I think basically this report is a smoke screen, an attempt by the U.S. Administration to kind of play the ‘good cop – bad cop’ game and using this rhetoric like oh it’s a ‘grave and deteriorating situation,’ as if this is going to address the problem. And the bottom line about this study group is that it does not talk about any firm dates or numbers for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from that country.
It does not talk about a legitimate government in that country where Iraqis would have real sovereignty. Instead it lays out the importance of oil for U.S. interests in the region and on page 1 of the entire report it talks about the fact that Iraq has the world’s second largest known oil reserves. Then it goes on in other areas of the report to mention very specific things they recommend to be done in order for the U.S. to get their hands on more of that oil.``
``I think basically this report is a smoke screen, an attempt by the U.S. Administration to kind of play the ‘good cop – bad cop’ game and using this rhetoric like oh it’s a ‘grave and deteriorating situation,’ as if this is going to address the problem. And the bottom line about this study group is that it does not talk about any firm dates or numbers for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from that country.
It does not talk about a legitimate government in that country where Iraqis would have real sovereignty. Instead it lays out the importance of oil for U.S. interests in the region and on page 1 of the entire report it talks about the fact that Iraq has the world’s second largest known oil reserves. Then it goes on in other areas of the report to mention very specific things they recommend to be done in order for the U.S. to get their hands on more of that oil.``
#5 Posted by Urstruly on December 14, 2006 9:02:07 am
As I said earlier, the nature of Islam is that of Invitation or Daawat and not that of discrediting someone else`s belief. In all honestty, and logically, a belief cannot be discredited. That is the very nature of dogam or belief - i.e. either you believe in it or you don`t. Qura`n has elaborated this point in most beautiful and eloquent words. Look at the beauty of this prose, even when it is translated:
Say: ``Disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship nor do you worship Whom I worship. I shall never worship what you worship. Nor shall you worship Whom I worship. You have your own religion and I have mine.``
.................. Al-Kafiroon (Disbelievers) 109
#4 Posted by mehrozsiraj731 on December 13, 2006 10:59:09 pm
This one is surely a good piece..........
However, the short comings are there. The idea that Iraq has been a success for the neocons in Washington, is some what a lacklustre concept. This is because the war is not going in the direction the Bush Administration officials perceived it to. What they surely wanted was to be received and remembered truly as liberators, just like they were welcomed in Kuwait, during the Gulf war. However, that has not happened.
The war has currently cost the Americans more than $300billion over a period of more than three years. The American mission of controlling the Iraqi oil, has failed as research is showing that amidst the growing violence, oil production has not increased significantly.
Also, the political cost for this war has been great. For the first time in over twelve years, did the Republicans lost control over both the houses of the Congress.
The cost and over occupation of the war in Iraq is clearly visible in the regions striken by Hurricane Katrina. Bush did not have the resources for funding the construction of new dams and levees.
The Bush administration has not been able to do anything in Iraq and for those who think that the occupation of Iraq has reduced the threats to Israel, continue fooling yourselves.
Iran is an emerging nuclear power and Israel has probably sown the seeds which would breed a new generation of anti-semities in the Middle East by invading Lebanon earlier this summer. The consequences of that seem to be far reaching. As it goes for carrying out and Osirik like nuclear strike against Iran, dream on. This shall never happen. Israel so far does not have the planes and required weaponry to strike deep inside Iran and we know that a large chunk of Iran`s nuclear facilities are underground. The Americans cannot do the task either, for they now have a clear idea about what Iran can do to their forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now this is what you call a real CLASH OF CIVILISATIONS!
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00007192&channel=civic%20center
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00007356&channel=university%20ave&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1
However, the short comings are there. The idea that Iraq has been a success for the neocons in Washington, is some what a lacklustre concept. This is because the war is not going in the direction the Bush Administration officials perceived it to. What they surely wanted was to be received and remembered truly as liberators, just like they were welcomed in Kuwait, during the Gulf war. However, that has not happened.
The war has currently cost the Americans more than $300billion over a period of more than three years. The American mission of controlling the Iraqi oil, has failed as research is showing that amidst the growing violence, oil production has not increased significantly.
Also, the political cost for this war has been great. For the first time in over twelve years, did the Republicans lost control over both the houses of the Congress.
The cost and over occupation of the war in Iraq is clearly visible in the regions striken by Hurricane Katrina. Bush did not have the resources for funding the construction of new dams and levees.
The Bush administration has not been able to do anything in Iraq and for those who think that the occupation of Iraq has reduced the threats to Israel, continue fooling yourselves.
Iran is an emerging nuclear power and Israel has probably sown the seeds which would breed a new generation of anti-semities in the Middle East by invading Lebanon earlier this summer. The consequences of that seem to be far reaching. As it goes for carrying out and Osirik like nuclear strike against Iran, dream on. This shall never happen. Israel so far does not have the planes and required weaponry to strike deep inside Iran and we know that a large chunk of Iran`s nuclear facilities are underground. The Americans cannot do the task either, for they now have a clear idea about what Iran can do to their forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now this is what you call a real CLASH OF CIVILISATIONS!
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00007192&channel=civic%20center
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00007356&channel=university%20ave&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1
#3 Posted by parthaab on December 13, 2006 6:39:33 pm
Contrary to popular perception, the Iraq invasion - and Afghanistan - has ALWAYS gone to plan. As far as the neo-con strategy is concerned, Iraq has been a perfect SUCCESS.
The destruction of a muslim economy, tearing apart its infrastructure and letting muslim fanatic groups kill each other and stealing oil, besides killing Saddam and his family were always part of the neo-con plan, though its claims have always been to for democracy, peace and such like.
The motives of the US were never actually in doubt to neutral observers, except for the western media which was confusing, by spinning the `good intentions` of the US to suit its own audience.
Of course, the extremists never did say out aloud what they really wanted, as unlike muslim extremists, they do have a public face which needs to get reelected by the people. The use of the judeo-christian media, to give a spin was, as ever, `useful`.
The destruction of a muslim economy, tearing apart its infrastructure and letting muslim fanatic groups kill each other and stealing oil, besides killing Saddam and his family were always part of the neo-con plan, though its claims have always been to for democracy, peace and such like.
The motives of the US were never actually in doubt to neutral observers, except for the western media which was confusing, by spinning the `good intentions` of the US to suit its own audience.
Of course, the extremists never did say out aloud what they really wanted, as unlike muslim extremists, they do have a public face which needs to get reelected by the people. The use of the judeo-christian media, to give a spin was, as ever, `useful`.
#2 Posted by Urstruly on December 13, 2006 1:34:08 pm
I think no one wants to admit it in US yet but $4-6 billion/week (icluding that of Nato) expense to maintain a presence in Iraq and Afghnaistan has started taking its toll. Frankly, I think that the days of US military presence in Muslim lands has been numbered, though it will still take few years to their complete withdrawl. As the time will elapse they will become more vicious which in turn will create more resistence to their occupation; on the other hand a political stance replacing a miltary one will result in more aggressive resistence; because you cannot go back to less extreme measures, once you have taken the ultimate step. On Muslim side hundereds of thousands of lives have been lost, countries have been destroyed, and so many sacriofices have been made that it is safe to say that point of no return has been crossed. Logically, I think West will try to withdraw its forces from Muslim lands while further strengthening dictators and despot to keep their proxy hold but again logically the freedom movement, in absence of occupation forces, will turn its attention to the collaborator and oppressive regimes. Like I said, once you have taken the ultimate step you cannot go back to maintain a less aggressive step and hope for something good to come out.
#1 Posted by zeemax on December 13, 2006 12:30:55 pm
Another week and the ISG report will be collecting dust on some shelf in Washington. US will do what it has to do i.e. maintain a presence in any one of the splintered pieces, first choices being Baghdad and the South. If that doesn`t work out, there`s always Kurdistan.
But the game gets even more complex. While US removed the Iraq threat to Israel and Saudia, it created a bigger one in Iran. That is the issue now, and not Iraq.
But the game gets even more complex. While US removed the Iraq threat to Israel and Saudia, it created a bigger one in Iran. That is the issue now, and not Iraq.
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