Re-Imagining Pakistan

NT syed sahib,


(Nothing suits the Muslims more than to have our non-Muslim brethren stay busy with silly jokes. We`ll awaken them at Fajar. )

Why don`t you give us kaffirs some more silly jokes to while away while u awaken us at Fajar.

What is Fajar btw?

Regards

Re: # 493 majumdar

Fajar = dawn of a new day

Meanwhile, you have plenty of jokes to keep you busy at ``An Untouchable Apology`` board.

Sleep tight

;-)~~

NT syed,

(Like I advised bjkumar, Stay Tuned...the show is about to begin )

Will remain tuned. Reminds me of an old joke.

Indira Gandhi and Zia went to God for knowing when their countries will achieve salvation. God told IG ``Not in ur lifetime``, He told Zia ``Not in my lifetime``.

Regards

Re: # 491 maujmdar

Ha ha ha....good one.

Nothing suits the Muslims more than to have our non-Muslim brethren stay busy with silly jokes. We`ll awaken them at Fajar.

:-)~~

NT Syed sahib,

(if Jinnah hadn`t come along; and probably by now you`d be under Muslim rule again....perhaps for another millennia. But fret not, dear boy, you just may live to see that day again. )

Amen to that. But how about beginning with imposing Muslim rule in Muslim populated parts of the world, Iraq, Palestine and Pakistan for eg.

Regards

Re: # 487 majumdar

Like I advised bjkumar, Stay Tuned...the show is about to begin

:-)~~

#484 NTSyed

Sir what is this fascination with ``Muslim Rule``? Are there ANY places in th world which are ``Muslim Rule``? How many of them are happy?

Re: # 486 bjkumar

``Sir what is this fascination with ``Muslim Rule``? Are there ANY places in th world which are ``Muslim Rule``? How many of them are happy?``

It`s not a fascination, Bhai. It`s the only hope for tomorrow, for the entire world. Why else do you think non-Muslims are reverting to Islam in unprecedentedlylarge numbers? The reason is right there in your statement: no people are happy today, because there is no country with Muslim Rule. Just like having a Muslim as the President of India doesn`t mean Muslims rule India, having Muslim rulers in predominantly Muslim countries does not mean Islam is the law there. Insha Allah, that will be changed for good very soon.

Stay tuned ;-)~~

Re:ntsyed#484

[..to confess that you couldn`t have gotten it if Jinnah hadn`t come along; and probably by now you`d be under Muslim rule again....]

Syed, for once I agree completely with you. We hindus would have got royally screwed if partition had not occured. Muslims would have demanded a very steep price to stay united, like say 40 - 50% of all public office, army, police, bureacracy etc. This would have been on top of large scale autonomy for the muslim majority regions as per the Cabinet Mission Plan. The old fool Gandhi might have even given in to such demands, if Jinnah had actually asked for them.

Think of the situation after that. Hindus at that time were totally fragmented based on caste, language, ethnicities etc. The muslims would have to make an alliance with just 5-10% of hindus perhaps the backward castes to take over power at the center. They could play off one section of hindus against another, to consolidate their position forever. On top of that, in the muslim majority areas, they could whip up the jihadi machinery via madrassas and so forth to exert pressure on hindus to accept their status, not that it takes too much to rule hindus!! Some muslim general could also just carry out an army coup and take over power, this time over entire India. You couple that with the complete support from the Islamic world to the muslim ``minority``, such as Saudi petro-dollars and regimes in Afghanistan/Iran, you would have a Iraq like situation with the minority muslims ruling effortlessly over majority hindus.

This was the situation for 800 years before the Brits showed up and it was naturally headed in that same direction where people like me would be chaprasis to people like you. The Congress fools were all gung-ho on a united India, except for Sardar Patel and Lala Lajpat Rai, who had the wisdom to foresee what would happen. Then thankfully Shri Jinnah showed up. That was a blessing from God!! Shri Jinnah demanded adamantly that muslims needed separation since hindus would dominate them. What a joke!! Hindus could not even dominate a mouse, let alone vast millions of muslims!! Shri Jinnah then made it an ego issue and his life`s purpose and even created an ideology around separation. Of course, the cunning Sardar Patel seized the opportunity and made sure that the Congress would ``give in``.

The results are there in front of us. Muslims basically withdrew to a moth-eaten state primarily consisting of the barren NWFP and Baluchistan, with half of Punjab, Sindh and half of Bengal. There was massive ethnic cleansing to reduce muslim population in India to the 10% mark, a level that was manageable. If it were not for Nehru`s greed for Kashmir, all muslims would have been pushed out, but for the sake of international image, we had to stop. Patel managed to cunningly get Hyderabad, Junagadh and even Kashmir into India. Suddenly hindus were a massive majority in the lion share of the subcontinent, controlling all the resources, major cities, major industries, all the water resources. We even had a buffer state between us and the Islamic world. It was but a dream come true, all due to Shri Jinnah. Then India added the second last nail in the muslim coffin by splitting off Bangladesh in 1971 to further reduce muslim influence in India to sheer irrelevance. The final nail in the coffin was by acquiring nukes, making muslim conquest impossible.

So my friend, all in all Shri Jinnnah was the greatest hindu liberator of all times. It was inadvertent but nevertheless, very effective. In fact, Shri Jinnah`s entire philosophy of separation was unislamic which is why the muslim clergy opposed it tooth and nail. If you read the history of Islamic conquest in India and elsewhere, muslim minorities had struggled and overwhelmed big civilizations based on sheer will power and religious zeal. The minority argument was ridiculous from a historical context. But now it is too late. India has nukes and it will fire them to protect itself. So now muslims can simply look at India from Pakiland and get jealous of its economic progress. There is nothing else you can do anymore. While we hindus amass wealth and status, you can struggle for cabdriver jobs in New York and elsewhere.

Re: # 485 ranjit

Indeed, that seems to be case. However, I do disagree with your presumptions that Hindus would have been chaprasis under the Muslim rule. That could only be true in this current system of governance gifted to the Indians by the fleeing Brits. If the Muslim clergy had prevailed, certainly neither this would not have been the system nor the continuation of subjugation by anyone.

Notwithstanding the credits to Hindu civilization prior to Turk conquest of the region, the sub-continent saw its zenith under the Muslim rule when it was 25% of global economy. It could not have been possible by oppressing the majority. Why do you think the Portugese and the Brits worked so long and hard to overpower the region? Some may disagree, but during the Muslim rule, Hindus had their religious autonomy throughout the subcontinent, and governing autonomy in their states.

In 1947, it was reduced to 1% when the Brits were through plundering it. Without a doubt the 1% was achieved with unprecedented oppressive rule that the land had ever seen. It was during the British Raj that the indigenous - Hindus and Muslims alike - were reduced to chaprasis and foot soldiers. Unfortunately, with the inadequate system of governance - leftover by the Brit, today by and large Indian Muslims are the worst off lot, according to the Indian reports - not Pakistani or Western propaganda.

So your assumption that Muslims would have continued the British way of things can only be classified as paranoia. Perhaps it stems from the guilty conscience of periodic unwarranted ethnic cleansing and continuous systematic economic oppression.

But fear not, like I said your better days have yet to come, and Insha-Allah it will be delivered to you when the Khilafah brightens the globe again .... very soon!

;-)~~

Re:sanatani#481

[..Ranjit Please drink whisky and have pork sausage to celebrate Mr J`s birthday...]

Sirjee, Cheers!! Lets drink to ``Mecaca Day`` i.e. Jinnah`s birthday. Thanks to Shri Jinnah, we mecacas got the India that we have today, a lion share of the subcontinent with no muslim competiton to rule it. May God bless Shri Jinnah`s soul.

Re: # 482 by ranjit

``Sirjee, Cheers!! Lets drink to ``Mecaca Day`` i.e. Jinnah`s birthday. Thanks to Shri Jinnah, we mecacas got the India that we have today, a lion share of the subcontinent with no muslim competiton to rule it. May God bless Shri Jinnah`s soul.``

Pretty masculine, in spite of your below average manhood, to confess that you couldn`t have gotten it if Jinnah hadn`t come along; and probably by now you`d be under Muslim rule again....perhaps for another millennia. But fret not, dear boy, you just may live to see that day again.

:-)~~

Shri Jinnahe,

Shri Hindutwawadi, Shri Divyadrishtiman, Shri Bharatmata Bhaktam

Janamdivasye Shubham Kamna.

Jai Shri Krishna
Jai Shri Jinnahe

Ranjit Please drink whisky and have pork sausage to celebrate Mr J`s birthday

Mr. Jinnah`s Pakistan vision needs to rejuvenate itself

within the Pakistani nation

or there will be nothing left to re-imagine!

And Happy B`day MAJ (pbuh) in advance.

Regards

Manto mian,

Would appreciate some comments from ur side on my post #449.

Merry X-mas.

Regards

BJKumar,

I agree he is courageous... but is he has courageous as say Farzana Versey who you abused and unleashed all sorts of sexual insults on her for disagreeing with you?

People like you are inherently shameless...

#472

And how is the view from under those khaki boots?!!

#472

Actually, the writer is quite courageous. A commodity that Pakistanis like you lack severely. In addition to a few missing brain cells!

i have never seen a coward,hypocrite like the writer of this article.

Syed Dude
[.. The ``majority`` group confesses to follow the book [kamasutra] instead of the Hindian constitution in legal matters as wars and prisoners of war. . ...]

Exactly... if you are jihadi, then hindian constitution is NOT applicable to you... you will be treated as per the recommendation given in our religious book... that`s way things work our land...

That`s fair, you know - if you want to fight a religious war, then we give you religious war... if you are defeated in this religious war - then you will be treated as per our religious Book... don`t ask for our constitution... :)

isn`t it funny - at the first sign of trouble, pakis whine about the constitution... :)

Re: # 471 by mohar11

``Exactly... if you are jihadi, then hindian constitution is NOT applicable to you... you will be treated as per the recommendation given in our religious book... that`s way things work our land...``

Oh....LOL....towing the GWB line [on Geneva Convention] now?

Good luck!

:-)~~

Re: # 475

Yep.

GWB zindabad
Ntsyed murdabad :)

Re: # 479 by mohar11

``GWB zindabad
Ntsyed murdabad :)``

Now where have I seen that before?

Oh yeah....the ostracized 31% of the American constituency, aka the trailer park trash.

Congrats on your acquiring this undesired offical status.

Before I forget, thanks for the compliment. Nothing pleases me more than to have my adversary wish for my death. It demonstrates quite a desperation on his part. Don`t you think?

LOL :-)~~

#465 NTSyed sahib

I am sorry, NTSyed sahib, I am still trying to understand what you wrote here.

So you are admitting that Pakistanis on this web-site are anti-semitic and the reason you are attributing is that a bunch of hooligans on a Jerusalem bus beat up an American tourist?

Is that it?

Re: # 469 by bjkumar

``So you are admitting that Pakistanis on this web-site are anti-semitic and the reason you are attributing is that a bunch of hooligans on a Jerusalem bus beat up an American tourist?

Is that it?``

LOL....you`ve got to be a clown by profession.

I think you should focus on one thread at a time....juggling doesn`t seem to be a part of your routine.

:-)~~

pervez hood bhoy:
SIR there is a line in your article :

[The good news is that, at the level of epistemology, truth in science is ultimately knowable. Post-modernists are up the creek if they think that all scientific knowledge is relative]

what crap is this???????

is that the level of your comprehension of 20th centuray philosophical movements?well guyssssss do u have any clue who is he making fool of.

the gullible laymen? who are completly unawar of philosophical thinking with his pseudo knowledge-plated ignorance.shocking,ridiculous sheer nonsense.he seems to be giving his final verdict on highly philosophical issues of diverse significance.

is he aware of even th basic technical tenets of `sociology of knowledge` what he is ridiculing and rejecting in one sentence?

is there any kinda research of this man which seriously repudiates that highly philosophical descipline?????

if he has got something to say on this issue why hasnt he sent his paper to any well reputed philosophical journal?.

i think that would be a great addition to human thought if editor of the journal find it worth-publishing.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh,amazing

New aid crisis in Pakistan
The Pakistani government has blocked food aid to war-torn Balochistan.
By Gretchen Peters | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN – Pakistan`s military government is preventing aid groups from helping more than 80,000 people - many of them acutely malnourished children - who have been displaced by a widening civil war in remote southern Balochistan, say international aid workers and diplomats.

An internal assessment by the United Nations Children`s Fund (UNICEF), shown to the Monitor, paints a disturbing portrait.
In the Monitor
Thursday, 12/21/06

UNICEF and Pakistan provincial health officials, who surveyed the area in July and August, report that 59,000 of those suffering are women and children and that 28 percent of the children under 5 were ``acutely malnourished.`` Six percent of the children were so underfed that they would die without immediate medical attention.

``I would say this now qualifies as a `crimes against humanity` situation,`` says one foreign observer who has interviewed delegates from the region.

For six months, aid agencies and diplomats have been pressing Pakistan authorities to permit them to distribute aid packages, which include emergency rations, tents, and medicine. The UN won`t deliver aid without permission from the host nation, says Robert van Dijk, the top UNICEF officer for Pakistan.

He and other aid workers say provincial officials have continued to assist his local staff in monitoring conditions in southern Balochistan, but more senior provincial and federal officials have simply refused his requests or derailed efforts with endless bureaucratic hurdles.

``We have tried everything to get our aid there,`` says Mr. van Dijk. ``I even know of aid groups that tried to deliver relief without permits, but they got turned back on the road.``

Meanwhile, reports from the region indicate the situation has grown even more wretched with the onset of winter.

Pakistani authorities have dismissed the UNICEF report as overblown, saying the majority of people in Balochistan were already dirt-poor and nomadic, and that most of those displaced by fighting returned home after an important rebel leader was killed in August.

``This report is untrue,`` said Maj. Gen. Shaukut Sultan, a spokesman for the military. ``Almost all of those people have gone back.``

Van Dijk agrees that some did return home in September, but says a recent UN assessment showed that other villagers have since been displaced.

``When we went back there recently, we found the same numbers of people,`` he says, ``and even worse conditions - among the worst I`ve ever seen.``

Pakistan`s other conflict

Villagers are caught in a conflict between the government and rebel tribesmen, who took up arms last year to demand greater autonomy for the Baloch people and a larger share of the resources in the gas-rich, sparsely populated province.

Vast Balochistan makes up 40 percent of Pakistan`s land area, but is home to only 4 percent of its 170 million people. Because of federal formulas that dole out development funding for roads, schools, and hospitals based on population alone, the impoverished province lags far behind other parts of the country in development and social indicators.

The homelands of the rebel Bugti and Marri tribes sit atop rich oil and gas fields the government wants to exploit.

Their struggle has remained largely out of view of the global media, which focuses instead on Islamabad`s wavering efforts to root out the Taliban and Al Qaeda along the Afghan border.

But it`s grown into a major conflict - and a major challenge for President Pervez Musharraf, who has dispatched thousands of paramilitary troops to put down the rebellion. During 2006, the rebel tribesmen bombed civilian buses, rocketed military bases, and attacked gas pipelines.

In August, a Pakistani military operation killed one of the main rebel leaders, 79-year-old tribal chief Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti. On Tuesday, a former lieutenant of Mr. Bugti, who surrendered to the government in June in return for amnesty, was killed by a land mine.

President Musharraf says tribal chiefs like Bugti keep their people poor and backward in order to maintain control. He has repeatedly pledged to bring development and economic investment to the province.

But Bugti`s death sparked widespread rioting among his supporters in the provincial capital of Quetta, and four months later, the insurgency shows no signs of abating.

Strategic neglect?

Frustrated aid workers and diplomats are increasingly concerned about the widening humanitarian crisis - and furious they are being denied access to the area.

Six months since the UNICEF assessment, a Western diplomat says: ``The UN is now desperate. They are literally begging us for help.``

Just this week, the government abruptly canceled a planned tour to Balochistan by a visiting delegation from the European Commission.

There are aid-worker reports that military trucks rounded up displaced people and hid them ahead of earlier visits by local aid groups.

Why wouldn`t Pakistani authorities let relief workers in to help? ``The official logic is that they can`t guarantee safety for the internationals, or even for local aid groups,`` says Samina Ahmed, head of the International Crisis Group`s (ICG) office in Islamabad.

``The unofficial logic, I suspect, is basically neglect more than anything. This is just not a priority for the government, and they probably hope they will all go back home if everyone ignores them,`` she says.

Compounding the lack of aid access is the fact that the displaced families have decamped across wide, isolated areas.

``These are small groups - some as small as 10 or 50 people,`` says van Dijk. ``And they roam around. They don`t have permanent dwellings.``

In the isolated districts of Naseerabad and Jafarabad, where the bulk of the displaced villagers have gathered, one eyewitness describes the refugees as ``utterly desperate.``

``It`s very upsetting to see children in this state,`` says the local resident, who did not want to be named for fear he would be arrested. ``They have no shelter, little clothing, and almost no food.``

A climate of political oppression, in which more than 150 Baloch activists have been arrested and taken to undisclosed locations, only amplifies the crisis, say human rights workers and opposition politicians.

Some analysts wonder why the UN hasn`t pushed Pakistan on the issue more publicly. ``It`s quite clear that quiet pressure is not working here,`` says one Pakistani political analyst. ``This situation demands a strong, international condemnation.``

Ms. Ahmed of the ICG says that, ``The UN has a mandate and UN agencies have a responsibility to help people. My concern here is that if agencies don`t meet their mandate they lose credibility.``

The UN is not alone in being unable to provide aid. Other organizations, such as Oxfam, CARE, and the International Committee of the Red Cross, have also been trying to gain access to the region.

Baloch politicians meanwhile complain that millions of dollars in US military hardware, given to the Pakistan military to fight Islamic insurgents in the tribal belt, have been diverted to Balochistan and used against the rebel tribes.

``Are the American people aware of how their donations are being used?`` asks a Baloch politician angrily.

As debate over the issue rages behind the scenes, van Dijk says supplies of medicine and food are sitting in Quetta warehouses, and could be distributed in as little as two weeks.

On Wednesday, an hour after the Monitor interviewed van Dijk about the crisis, his office suddenly received a letter from the Pakistani government giving permission to deliver some initial packages.

``This should have happened 10 months ago,`` he says. ``If it would have happened then those children who died would still be alive. I don`t know how many more have died by now.``

Manto mian,

Still at it?

Regards

Dear follower of the Racist casteist Hindu Fascist bigot Gandhi,

Any thoughts on your blind following of the Gargoyle pre-1947?

By the way they put up another statue of Gandhi in Europe... thought you`d like to see the picture- scroll down






























Gandhiji.

Re: # 460

Majumdar,

His head is stuck in the arse of Jinnah.

(Note: when I make sweeping statements regarding Pakistanis, it is implicit that on individual basis, there will be exceptions.)

#453 NTSyed sahib,

I said that there is an undercurrent of anti-Semitism many Pakistani interactors here on this website display. Nothing that you have said in #453 counters that.

#450 Hamidm2

You are talking like mian Mushy – and just like him, you miss the whole point. You are saying that your strategy was wrong – and the objective of separating people on the basis of religion was a-okay!

I could give you a long lecture but am tired so here is the short version.

If the objective was to wrest Kashmir from India by force, the jihadis were your (Pakistanis’) most potent option because jihadis do not suffer from some of the ``limitations`` of the regular army (if one could call your Pakistani army by that term):

(1) jihadis have no sense of army-like professionalism (as was amply evidenced when they cut off the testicles of captured soldiers in that prequeal to Kargil (and for all I know, ate it! (Nothing about this lot will surprise me.))),

(2) jihadis do not care if the loss is inevitable and (unlike the 90,000 Pakistani soldiers in 1971) will never give up when any sane person will give up because sane people do not like to die in vain,

(3) jihadis do not care if they get paid for their ``services`` or not,

(4) jihadis have more appeal to the illiterate masses of Pakistan because they are perceived as self-sacrificing individuals in cause of Pakistan’s state religion (as distinguished from the Pakistani khakis who are perceived as watching out for their own selfish institutional interests)

Guess what, your guys (read Mushy and his khakis) knew that, too. It was not a “mistake” to use jihadis – it was your “best shot”!

And what happened? Well, you idiots still lost.

And you idiots lost not because the jihadis did not do what they were sent in to do!

In fact, backed by your ISI and their agents recruited in India – the jihadis and their Pakistani masters tried EVERY dirty trick in the book. But you guys still lost because (a) the Indian public opinion supports the policies of the Indian administration, (b) the same characteristics which make jihadis potent weapons, make them virtually uncontrollable, and (c) the same people that the jihadis claim to “liberate” suffer the worst at jihadi hands – much worse than they would ever suffer at the hands of what you, being the moron that you are, called “occupiers” (a title which in that part of the world only legitimately belongs to the Pakistani khakis)

Therefore my dear, it was not the choice of “tactics” which turned your whole country into such a bunch of losers!

I also know what WOULD have worked – but suspect that you guys are incapable of understanding that whole concept. The only circumstances under which Kashmir would have been a goner from India would have been if (i) Kashmiris were truly discriminated against in India (like the Pakistanis did the Bangladeshis) AND (ii) they had no recourses like the ability to contest elections and approach the court systems AND (iii) they had used peaceful means to press for their demands. The problem of course is that you guys were rather weak on (i) and (ii) and being Pakistani progenies of the vamp and his whole approach, that (iii) would be an “alien” concept to you all – it would have been too “Gandhian”!

I am coming to the conclusion that if there are ninety-nine ways to “win” and just one very difficult way to “lose” – the Pakistanis will definitely find that one way. You guys have a perfect track record of doing that – starting with your blind herd-like following of the vamp pre-1947!

Therefore my dear, in actuality your blunder that cost you Kashmir (and the rest of what was YOUR country) preceded 1947.

Now go do ibaadat to the vamp for “saving” you all! If you search under my interacts, I am sure you can locate your Jinnah bhajan, too!

Re: # 459 by bjkumar

``#453 NTSyed sahib,

I said that there is an undercurrent of anti-Semitism many Pakistani interactors here on this website display. Nothing that you have said in #453 counters that.``

Ya Allah!

The point in #453 was not to counter your statement. Rather it was to show you that our anti-Semitism is not without a reason.

Why is it that the most trivial of things has to be s-p-e-l-l-e-d o-u-t to the overzealous Hindian Fundos at Chowk?

But then again, if one can be an atheist and a religious (Hindu) at the same time....oh well

:-)~~

ATTN CHOWK-STAFF:

HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO PUT YOUR HEADS AS WELL AS BOTH FEET UP YOUR REAR ORIFICES?

(Parodied on mantolives post):

``#398 by Mantolives on December 19, 2006 3:32am PT

How did you manage to put your head as well both feet up your rear orifice. ``

++++

IT LOOKS LIKE CHOWK-STAFF ARE THE CHAMCHAS/SIDE-KICKS OF MANTOLIVES!

#450 by hamidm2 on December 20, 2006 7:45am PT

sorry..life doesn`t have a back button..now you`re stuck with the jihadi tag for a long long time...

if ever there is a jihadi cartoon equivalent of dilbert, there is sure to be a paki version of asok..

Re: # 455
[...life doesn`t have a back button...]

no - it doesn`t... so what do pakis do now?... how do they get out of the jiahd hole?...

Pakis must join forces and find a way out... so far the only plan has come from Ntsyed - he is planning to use his inadequate manhood to get out of the jihad hole... a terrible plan indeed... the guy is inadequate in more ways than one, including brain matters :)...

bjkumar,

`` Yet how many Pakistanis here show the guts to denounce those acts?!! ``

i do ! ......... in hindsight i denounce those acts, not because of what they did to the indian occupation forces in kashmir, but because of the blowback in pakistan ..... pakistan should have supported the indigeneous kashmiri freedom fighters instead of creating this cadre of wild-eyed jihadis who are causing more havoc on the right side of the border instead of rigting the wrongs on the wrong side of the border ....................

......... it was a mistake and i apologize on behalf of the pakistani nation ...... i hope that makes you happy

Re: # 450
[... pakistan should have supported the indigeneous kashmiri freedom fighters ...]

Pakistan did that at start - from 1989 to 1993... by then Indian Army had pretty much crushed th rebellion... thats` when pakis realized that kashmiris are no good at fighting - so they started pushing the afgan war left-overs and took over the entire operation and turned into hardcode jihad...

It was a no-win for you pakis: if you just ``supported`` the ``indigeneous kashmiri freedom fighters`` - the fight would be over long time ago - the gentle kashmiris were no match for indian army.... but then by taking the fight over as your own - you radicalized your own population...

YOur mistake was to be so obsessed about kashmir... that`s your original sin... and unfortunately, you still are continuing the same mistake.... Kashmir has nothing to do with you pakis - you f**** goats as ``right of passage``, for crying out loud :)... neither it`s going to give any economic benefits... you have nothing to gain and everything to lose by obsessing with kashmir...

and that`s exactly what you did and are still doing... At the end of 20 years of obsession - you have gained nothing and lost a lot... so stop being idiots - do not reinforce your mistakes... and stop digging since you are already inside a hole... and start making a ladder - you need a long one to get out of this hell-hole you have dug for yourselves...

Enjoy the holidays... :)

Re: # 451 by mohar11

``...and start making a ladder - you need a long one to get out of this hell-hole you have dug for yourselves... ``

naaaaaaah.....we have big enough penises to do that anytime we want. Since, according to latest reports, there`s a shortage of reliable ones in India, Indians are also welcome to use ours, if they wish to crawl out of their own holes....hmmmm...``their own holes``....that sounds funny in more ways than one....LOL

enjoy your holidays

:-)~~

Re: # 454

Dude - you guys f**** goats for ``rights of passage``... from what I hear - the goat is never impressed and that is saying something about your size.... :)... don`t take it your heart, but you pakis have nothing - no manhood, no backbone....

On the otherhand - we invented Kamasutra - the bible of sex and sensuality... or should I say - the koran of sex and sensuality ... [ hmmm, that doesn`t sound right ...].... so, if and when you graduate from female goat to human female - you need to use our ``tools``, our research for the purpose... wink, wink...

Re: # 456 by mohar11

``Dude - you guys f**** goats for ``rights of passage``... from what I hear - the goat is never impressed and that is saying something about your size.... :)... ``

For some (very obvious) reason your post suggests you`re very closely related to the goats, particularly the female ones......LOL.....that also explains the impotent statements.

I hope YOU don`t take that to your heart :-)~~

OTOH, ``don`t take it your heart, but you pakis have nothing - no manhood, no backbone....`` proves jihadis couldn`t rape the Hindian women in Kashmir....Wait a minute...does that mean BSF...? NO WAY! OMIGOD!

Oh well...I guess anything of this nature can be natural for mohar11`s source of pride.

Kamasutra - How to Screw Your Life Away
Sex 101 for men and women who can neither understand the purpose nor the usage of their genitals on their own (the rest of the world is too advanced for this manual)

``On the otherhand - we invented Kamasutra...``

Now they wish they had invented condoms in ``tiny`` sizes on the first hand.

A free business idea to the banya...that size - you know, the ``tiny`` that 60% of your adult men will use - could sell good elsewhere too....some people may want their baby boys to start the training early [wink wink]

As for the book, somebody forgot to make one change needed to update the manual to screw your life away: how to prevent spreading of AIDS and other STDs by keeping a Univeral standard size condom ``ON`` while practicing the ``invention``.

Perhaps back then no one had thought of ``measuring up`` to the rest of the world, not that anyone has done it recently, let alone designing especially small condoms for the believers of the book.

Believe me, I could sympathize with you too, but you see I can`t even shrink to your level. Would it be okay if my 6yr old boy felt sorry for you?

# 456 by mohar11

``inadequate manhood`` is exactly the word the Indian Ministry of Health must have looking for, to describe mohar11 and the rest of the 60% Indian men who are below the international standard in masculinity.

The Ministry should have thanked you, Mohar11.

How ungrateful of them not to have done so.

Those Bastards!

I`m sorry Mohar11, but it appears your below average manhood will not get you respect in your own country. How sad, indeed.

:-(~~

Re: # 464 ntsyed
[...proves jihadis couldn`t rape the Hindian women in Kashmir....Wait a minute...does that mean BSF...]

Sure... BSF jawans may have had some fun with kashmir muslimas...it`s the spoils of the war - you kill a bunch of jihadis and their supporters and then take their women as ``comfort`` ladies... And that`s allowed in The Book... you should know - you read koran everyday, don`t you?...

See - you follow your book Koran, and we follow our book Kamasutra... just like your book says - ``kill the kufrs and take their women``... our book also says the exact same thing - ``kill jihadis and take their women``... Only difference is - you goat-f888ers have no clue what to do with the women after you take them.... where as we have fun with them in 69 different ways, as prescribed in our book... :)

Have a happy holiday.... :)

Re: # 467 by mohar11

``See - you follow your book Koran, and we follow our book Kamasutra... just like your book says - ``kill the kufrs and take their women``... our book also says the exact same thing - ``kill jihadis and take their women``... Only difference is - you goat-f888ers have no clue what to do with the women after you take them.... where as we have fun with them in 69 different ways, as prescribed in our book... :)``

The statements above remove any misgiving, whatsoever, anyone may have had that India has ever been, or is one now, or will ever be, a ``secular`` state. The ``majority`` group confesses to follow the book [kamasutra] instead of the Hindian constitution in legal matters as wars and prisoners of war.

The latter claims equality for all people within it`s legal and illegal territories, which they use as the basis to be the `largest democracy` on earth....so much for that propaganda.

On the other hand the former, kamasutra, once again proves to be a manual for people who cannot understand the purpose and usage of his/her genitals on their own; as well as a sure shot way to screw one`s life away. No wonder a full fledged army with all the training, equipment, and legitimacy is unable to subdue a small band of untrained and ill equipped freedom fighters...tch tch tch.....

Not to mention the book still contains the catastrophic flaw that it fails to help the masses [60% of Indian adult males] due to the acute `shortage` of The Tool required for the male believers to practice the prescriptions. How dreadfully sad, indeed :-(~~

As for fun, I`m sure everyone here has seen little boys having `fun` with their willies writing their names in the snow.

Seriously, you`re good at shooting your own foot. Or if you don`t like that expression, then shall I say stuffing your own foot in your mouth? Take a pick....it`s your choice [wink wink]

:-)~~

Manto mian,

(the common Pakistani is hundred times more tolerant and accepting of differing points of view on politics and religion than an Indian )

You have a point on politics. Few Indians would accept any other political system than democracy. Whereas Pakistanis would have a multitude of views some would recommend a western style secular democracy (you I presume), some would favour military rule while others would recommend Islamic system.

But on religion I am not sure. If chowk is representative of most Indians, Indians would appear to be fairly agnostic bunch of people, I have yet to see any Indian Hindu or most IMs (Nasah, Ballu for instance) argue that their faith ought to be the basis of constitution or that their Proph is the biggest Man, their book is the best book etc. Whereas on the Pakistani side their appear to be a fair number of people (to be fair people like u, tahmed sahib, salimbhai are not ones) who would want Pak to be a theocracy and would threaten any dissenter with murder.

Regards

Taikonaut,

Why do you need a bunch of losers- mostly expatriates- to appreciate anything of Pakistan`s?

Just like they will deny history ... they will continue to fool themselves with this narcissistic megalomania. From the looks of it, despite all of our hang ups which has more to do with political evolution than any thing else, the common Pakistani is hundred times more tolerant and accepting of differing points of view on politics and religion than an Indian (though that simply means that we don`t burn people for following a religion other than ours but we pretty much do everything else)...

Other than the constitution - written by Dr. Ambedkar who was a prominent member of the anti-Gandhi anti-Congress camp pre-1947- there is hardly anything good about India and constitution clearly has not been enough to change their mentality.

Manto mian,

(the only interactors repetitively abusing other people because of their religion or ethnicity are Indians like Sadna and yourself. )

Behram sahib is Indian???

Regards

Dear BJ,

As usual your attempts to fluff up Sadna must be appreciated by her but they are so fake and ridiculous.

For once I completely agree. The ``Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi`` is a completely dubious source since it consists of the written word of the biggest fraud in human history: The racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi. It is a dubious source but that is not a reflection on me but rather the subject.

As for Sadna`s posts... calling her post anything but what they are really are: a pile of hogwash and lies with little facts (she does manage to sound convincing to those who wish to believe her... but my own experience with her is that almost without exception her sources and quotes don`t actually say what she ``thinks`` they say or what she wants them to say``. Constantly harping the mantra of how we evil Pakistanis hate Hindus, Jews etc... from what we see on these boards, the only interactors repetitively abusing other people because of their religion or ethnicity are Indians like Sadna and yourself.


FOLIO,

Get a life.

Re: # 445

Mantolives,

``FOLIO,

Get a life. ``

Qadiani Mantolives, please have a normal life as a Qadiani in Pakistan and then start advising others.

#438 Ama yaar

(It is past my bed time so I must go. Just a few quick words.)

1947 was before my time. But common sense tells me it was wrong to divide people based on religion and to treat one religion as ``special`` and to ask for disproportionate representation by religion. It is pure common sense. But apparently that is not how most Pakistanis here think. And the pig-headed defense of the indefensive does not give one much confidence in their ability to reason right - even after sixty years, so extrapolate it over the next sixty and see what you get.

Leaving that issue aside, the current beef is not over 1947 issues. It is mostly due to Pakistani nefarious activities that have been going on perhaps for sixty years but especially during the last 20 years. Yet how many Pakistanis here show the guts to denounce those acts?!! Acts which NO other country in the world condones!

How many? It becomes a ``prestige`` issue for Pakistani (old and young) folks! The approach seems to be - hey, if we do not talk about it - it does not exist. Guess what - no matter how you think you have covered it - it still shows!

And you will NEVER convince me that the Pakistani denizens of this site are not bubbling over and boiling over with anti-semitism. If they are not, they sure have me fooled.

Perhaps I am just too easy to fool!

Just make sure you guys are not fooling yourself in the process...

I gotta go to bed. See you guys tomorrow, perhaps!

Re: # 444



``But common sense tells me it was wrong to divide people based on religion and to treat one religion as ``special`` and to ask for disproportionate representation by religion. ``

Next you will tell us ... that it is common sense for white people to oppose affirmative action for black people because by asking for affirmative action for black people, the evil black people are dividing people based on race.

When ``Mahatma`` Gandhi came back to India from South Africa, his biggest ally in the Indian legislative assembly on the Indian question in South Africa, one Mahomed Ali Jinnah, barrister, and the president of the Gujurati Association, threw a garden party in the honor of ``one of the greatest Indians and Gujuratis`` (Jinnah`s words not mine) aka Gandhi, as a fellow Indian and Gujurati.

Jinnah`s dress was British and the language he spoke was Gujurati. Yet it did not stop Gandhi from declaring ``I am glad to see Jinnah of the minority Muslim community leading this organisation``. This is your Mohandas Gandhi speaking. He divided the people ... and don`t tell me he had good intentions... the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

And yet you accuse us and the one man - Jinnah- who was till age 60 fanatically an Indian First, Second and Last


``It is pure common sense.``


It was clearly not to Mohandas Gandhi. I am glad we agree on something.

taikonaut #438
`` Would you now accept what happened in E. Punjab was wrong too. ``
As far as I am concerned and as I far as I know of many Indians if not all Indians, what happened in E. Punjab has always been considered to be wrong. Dunno about the zamindar issue you mentioned, though - those who migrated to Pakistan were compensated in Pakistan with evacuee property if I am not mistaken. But even that would not substitute for loss of homeland of those Muslims who left E Punjab unwillingly, no doubt about that too.

#437 Sadna

Feel free to yawn!

Feel free to sleep, too.

I intend to do the same.

#436

Ama yaar, I call it like I see it.

You have the right to do the same!

Note that I have not called YOU a hypocrite! You admit your prejudices - unlike most of the Pakistani folks here.

So you are a bigot - but NOT a hypocrite!

Therefore, go celebrate! And take comfort from the fact that The Hoodbhoys of Pakistan don`t have a chance!

Not diddley squat of a chance - and your future is VERY secure!

And VERY khaki!

bjkumar #435
The whole matter whatever it is, is very yawn-inducing, sorry. It could be the approaching solistice :)

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#431 by bjkumar on December 19, 2006 8:04pm PT
It is typical of many Pakistanis here to be absolutely one-sided in their observations

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Yeap. That is unfortunately true.

However Pakistanis have one up on Hindians.
At least Pakistanis accept Hindustan within its legal boundary.

And Beejs! Pot (Hindians) calling the kettle (Pakistanis) black is fruitless.

Sadna,

The comment on your posts was not specific to posts here. The reaction of many (too many) Pakistanis to your posts speaks volumes about the deep prejudice that permeates those green minds. Such prejudice is not limited by age, education level, economic status, etc.

But worse than that is the utterly pathetic behavior of the seniors, who start crapping when the Indians say anything but are extremely busy (probably attending to some real serious task like picking their old noses) when the Pakistanis spread absolute lies and virulent hatred and serve it thick and wide!

Be it spreading hatred against the Hindus.

Be it covering up the misdeeds of the Pakistani government/ISI.

Be it spreading hatred against the Jewish folks.

Be it promoting thinly-covered anti-Americanism!

The web site appears to be VERY cooperating!

The irony is that most of these people derive shelter in the west and take those liberties granted for themselves - but seem to have a serious problem in extending those same courtesies to non-Muslims living in Muslim majority lands!

My good wishes for the Hoodbhoys of that land are sincere! And in sincerity, I think such folks perhaps waste their time - watering a tree that is destined to stay fruitless forever!

Re: # 435 by bjkumar

``Be it spreading hatred against the Jewish folks. ``

You silly silly boy. Look here and here

Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to move to rear seat

By Daphna Berman

A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc ``modesty patrol`` on a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the legality of sex-segregated buses.

Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem`s Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus.........In her first interview since the incident, Shear says that on the bus three weeks ago, she was slapped, kicked, punched and pushed by a group of men who demanded that she sit in the back of the bus with the other women. The bus driver, in response to a media inquiry, denied that violence was used against her, but Shear`s account has been substantiated by an unrelated eyewitness on the bus who confirmed that she sustained an unprovoked ``severe beating.``

``I said, I`m not moving and he said, `I`m not asking you, I`m telling you.` Then he spat in my face and at that point.........Four men surrounded me and slapped my face, punched me in the chest, pulled at my clothes, beat me, kicked me. My snood [hair covering] came off...``

Shear says that when she bent down in the aisle to retrieve her hair covering, ``one of the men kicked me in the face. Thank God he missed my eye. I got up and punched him. I said, `I want my hair covering back` but he wouldn`t give it to me, so I took his black hat and threw it in the aisle.``

`Stupid American`

Throughout the encounter, Shear says the bus driver ``did nothing.`` The other passengers, she says, blamed her for not moving to the back of the bus and called her a ``stupid American with no sechel [common sense.] People blamed me for not knowing my place and not going to the back of the bus where I belong.``

According to Yehoshua Meyer, the eyewitness to the incident, Shear`s account is entirely accurate. ``I saw everything,`` he said.

Now think about the following:

1) Are Pakistanis spreading hatred against Jewish Folks?

2) Is this what your American passport and patriotism, not to mention the $5 billion+ charity to the ``poor`` Jewish lambs worth?

Think think think

:-)~~

Re: # 435 Beejs says

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But worse than that is the utterly pathetic behavior of the seniors, who start crapping when the Indians

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Look! Pakistanis have proven time and again that Hindians deserve respect regardless of their venomous attitude against Pakistan. Ask anyone who has actually been to Pakistan. We don`t give the line of ``hum aik hain`` (we are one), but we admire many things that you guys do about Hindia.

Heck we converted the chief architect of Babri fiasco. It is a different matter that upon his return poor Advani got his tail whipped by the Hindutva crowd.

Sure we committed a great sin in 1947. 60 years fast forward, and we are trying to turn the page. We accept we were wrong in what happened in W. Punjab. Would you now accept what happened in E. Punjab was wrong too. No ifs no buts please!

Would the Hindian chowkies help in this? Would you admire the good even a portion of an ounce that may exist in Pakistan?

Re: # 438
[...Would you admire the good even a portion of an ounce that may exist in Pakistan?...]

which is what we are doing... Hoodbhoy is part of the good that still exists in pakistan... and the cricket team..and...I heard you get good food in Lahore... and... that`s about it... I can`t think of anything other good stuff that has come out of pakiland...

you tell us... don`t bother to mention ``mega agriculturalists``, that`s f8888ing stupid... :)

Folio #428
I notice you mention me in your post. Whatever it is, isn`t worth getting upset about.

bjkumar #431
My last post on this thread was many pages ago, so to be honest I have no clue what the uproar here is about.

My earlier advice to Dr. Hoodbhoy to emigrate was meant in good faith and not for the purposes of burning Manto`s tail and making him jump up and down like the great Hanumana did in Lanka. (However, I must honestly admit that he makes an amusing spectacle!)

There are good scientists and there are good philosophers. It is rather rare to find a combination of the two in one person. Dr. Hoodbhoy seems to meet that criterion. Although he will probably not take my advice, the clearly superior talents of such individuals is - for all practical purposes - gets wasted in a country like Pakistan. Instead of attaining their best potential and soaring to great heights of success that such talent should reach - folks like him spend their energy and effort and most of their life making people ``see``!

Their effort is sincere but the only problem is that their countrymen are determined to keep those eyes firmly shut!

They will NEVER ``see`` because they will absolutely refuse to open the eyes of their minds! And the level of formal education, or the economic status, or the youth or its lack have NOTHING to do with such a mindset!

Looks like I missed some action today.

In my view, Ms. Sadna is a person of great integrity. She does her research and does not use shady sources like the lawyer Manto. And she can fully hold her own against highly abusive interactors like HP and Godot and less often, but certainly quite consistently - Manto.

It is typical of many Pakistanis here to be absolutely one-sided in their observations - especially in the manner in which they are swayed by their green prejudice! A legitimate argument can be made that the guidelines are not enforced uniformly - which means that the slogan of ``unflinching idealism`` is little different from the typical desi political slogans that reverberate throughout the subcontinent - and are meaningless in practice! This also shows who is the ``weak`` party.

I see hardly any difference between the racial segregation of the South Africa of a few decades ago and the ``Muslims are better than non-Muslims`` mentality that appears to permeate through and afflict the vast number of Pakistanis seen here - across all age groups.

The hypocricy of the ``senior`` Pakistanis (the Gills and the Tahmeds and countless others) becomes evident in the manner in which they selectively ignore the hate posts of their own countrymen! Yet they wonder why nobody in their own country listens to them! Like cokroaches on their back, they put up those multiple legs in the air and flail them without making any progress.

It is quite funny to watch the likes of the Mantolives squirm when faced with facts and figures.

I urge Sadna to continue enlightening the chowk masses, especially the Pakistani crowds - most of which appear highly delusional. Although the end results are unlikely to improve because of what appears to be the high level of hypocrisy on the part of the Pakistanis here!

Re: # 431

BJ Kumar,

``...the slogan of ``unflinching idealism`` is little different from the typical desi political slogans that reverberate throughout ....... - and are meaningless in practice!``

:-)

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#427 by arjun2 on December 19, 2006 3:45pm PT

So you should have no problem naming the billionaire paki mega farmer...

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Why? you trying to send one of your lady`s marriage proposal?

Mantolives was fond of telling others abt

1. ‘gobbling-up defecation’

2. references to rearend,

3. references to orifices .

IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE REFERENCES ARE BONAFIDE IF POSTED BY PREVILEGED MEMBERS!

Latest example is this on the same board as this:

#398 by Mantolives on December 19, 2006 3:32am PT

How did you manage to put your head as well both feet up your rear orifice.

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Another member (are these nameless I.Ds can be called as members?) On the same board:

#421 by master_pak on December 19, 2006 6:10am PT
Re: # 419vrv

[Are u inviting Yasser for the `job`?]

yap.coz your indian sis sadna doesnt find one penis enough to s*rew her ,she needs one in her a*s too.

yassar plz help me bhai.

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The poser is:

Gobbling up defecation, references to rearend and the worse one like penis, screw are all DECENT WORDS, whereas posts without these words are objectionabale?????

The so called Chowk-Staff are IDless scums who appear to be brain-dead or like members some here, are selective moralists.

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IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHOWK MEMBERSHIP IS GRADED. WHEREAS THERE’S OPEN LICENCE TO ABUSE FOR THE PREVILEGED LIKE YASSER/MANTO, MASTER_PAK....…FOR SOME THERE’S SENSORING.

THEREFORE THE CONCLUSION IS SADNA`S HONOUR CAN BE TRAMPLED WHEREAS MANTO`S FAMILY`S CANT BE.

Re: # 428

Corrected as:


IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHOWK MEMBERSHIP IS GRADED WITH OPEN LICENCE TO ABUSE FOR THE PREVILEGED LIKE YASSER/MANTO, MASTER_PAK....…FOR THE OTHERS THERE`S LONGER SCISSORS FOR CENSORING.

THEREFORE THE CONCLUSION IS SADNA`S HONOUR CAN BE TRAMPLED UPON WHEREAS MANTO`S FAMILY`S CANT BE.

#426 by taikonaut on December 19, 2006 3:32pm PT


Mega farmers are no different from Mega industrialists.


So you should have no problem naming the billionaire paki mega farmer...

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#409 by sanatani on December 19, 2006 4:44am PT
Unlike a joke of a ``mega farmer`` like you who insists on sticking his prick in every banteedar`s mother/sister/wife/daughter

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Abuse of poor by the rich is only allowed as per religious addict by none other than Brahmins. Dunno what you mean by a bateendar. May be a form of shudra being abused by high-caste Biharis?

Mega farmers are no different from Mega industrialists. Just read up about “sexual harassment” in Bang-a-ludu software houses. That does not mean one should not set up software houses. Are you forgetting Phaneesh Murthy’s case? BTW he was the head of global sales and marketing for Infosys Technologies.
1. http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2004/11/25/stories/2004112502760600.htm
2. http://www.ccsindia.org/ccsindia/interns2006/Garment%20workers%20in%20Bangalore%20-%20Naiyya.pdf


For you the abuse of women by Mega industrialists is OK while the others must bear the wrath of Hindu mullah-tics.

Abuse of minorities and women is a horrible deed. However that doesn’t take away the concept of being super-Rich. The riches may come from industry or the farms, and May Allah / Bhagwan / God reward the good people, and punish the bad ones.

p.s. Personal attacks by the poor Bihari boy are ignored. These offshoots of Lallu are prone to using filthy language.

Doc,
Pakistan has hope as long as we have people like you. Many thanks and please do keep writing. Arif

pervez hood bhoy:
SIR there is a line in your article :

[The good news is that, at the level of epistemology, truth in science is ultimately knowable. Post-modernists are up the creek if they think that all scientific knowledge is relative]

what crap is this???????

is that the level of your comprehension of 20th centuray philosophical movements?well guyssssss do u have any clue who is he making fool of.

the gullible laymen? who are completly unawar of philosophical thinking with his pseudo knowledge-plated ignorance.shocking,ridiculous sheer nonsense.he seems to be giving his final verdict on highly philosophical issues of diverse significance.

is he aware of even th basic technical tenets of `sociology of knowledge` what he is ridiculing and rejecting in one sentence?

is there any kinda research of this man which seriously deny that highly philosophical descipline?????

if he has got something to say on this issue why hasnt he sent his paper to any well reputed philosophical journal?.i think that would be a great addition to human thought if editor of the journal find it worth-publishing.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh,amazing

Dear Master_Pak,

Please don`t stoop to their level and make women`s sexuality an issue. It is below our dignity as a people. We are not Indians.

Sadna deserves our respect as a woman... despite her bigotry and fanaticism.

Sadna is hiring ``defenders`` from non-existent abuse. Who is going to save her from her lashing tongue though.

And he would ``throw his shirt`` and ``go to burger king``.

Eloi Eloi Lema Sebachthani ...

I dont know the specifics and u know them a lot....congrats man!

Any normal discussion with Sadna or anybody...I wont disturb u but if u abuse Sadna, I will take offence throw my shirt.

See u later..got to go to Burger King.

What is this paki/napaki buddy... I was not aware that Nautanki is a form of mujra. Thanks for telling us that Sadna`s abuses have a sexual/red light connotation at some level.

Re: # 416 manto

great job manto.right on pu*sy.no need to tell on whose

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Re: # 418

missus_pak,

Are u inviting Yasser for the `job`?

Re: # 419vrv
[Are u inviting Yasser for the `job`?]


yap.coz your indian sis sadna doesnt find one penis enough to s*rew her ,she needs one in her a*s too.

yassar plz help me bhai.

Re: # 421

missus_pak,

I think America kept not 2 but three into Pakistan. 1. forth 2. back 3. mouth.

The US is willing put two more into ur nostrils and 2 more into ur ears, I think with signing of the Nuclear Deal, India cud help the US in that deficit.

Yasser,

Nautanki is a UP+Bihari art just like Mujra. Rest of India has nothing to do with it. Dont disown those two (nautanki and Mujra) coz u have mujras in Pakikstan as well.

2. Urdu is also an Indian language which u took as ur own.

How can u disown Nautanki, Mujra and Urdu as napaaki?

As for `levels`, u are not a holyman. For that to be clear read ur own posts.

U dont know India`s diversity. India is not UP and Bihar.

Dear VRV,

Nautanki is a form of Indian street theatre and has no ``red light`` connotations as far as I know. Sadna is the one who popularised this term by using it for everyone she couldn`t respond civilly too. It turns out that the biggest nautanki in this cyber-town is hers.

But thank you for showing us your auqaat and dragging my family into it. I could venture similar guesses, and from the looks of it I`ll be on the dot. But I am just not going to stoop to your level- because thank god I don`t share your ``genes`` whether ``national`` or ``familial``.

Eureka!, Eureka!, Eureka!,

Even though I was not in the bathtub and so I did not come out running naked, I have made a discovery that is as gr8 as Archimides Principle (Note to muslais Archimides is no relation to Archie of riverdale fame)

EARTH SHAKING DISCOVERY BY HIS HINDU HOLINESS Sanatani

The Guu-ran forbids cannabalism (Note to Humans or Non Muslais Guu-ran or Goo-ran is what is better known as Koran Qoran or Quran) and muslais are forbidden to be cannibals that is why the Guu-ran forbids them to eat Swine. The latter delights in the shit and sewage of humankind the former delight themselves in the shit of eslam and the peadophile messenger boy and that aptly named compilation of shit cleaning paper Guu-ran

See you all in Stockholm

Sanatani

BTW please let me know ujhe nobal puruskar kis visha mein milna chahiye

Re: # 412

Arre Sassur mahar key borad nahin chalat

Pileze read

BTW please let me know ujhe nobal puruskar kis visha mein milna chahiye

as

BTW please let me know Mujhe nobal puruskar kis vishaY mein milna chahiye

I hab hai lited the missing alphabets in Uppper Case

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hey you all bharat maata ke baito.
just go and sleep and dream of the collaps of pakistan.

hey stop,why should u dream.just pray to sacred COW.THAT`S much rational thing to do coz you guys have got all the scientific approach in the world.

what a scientific and rational approach you guys have got.

we have got many healthy and mascular BULLS in pakistan.after the collaps of pakistan you can bring them home to satisfy your cows`pus**ies.

let them have fun man.

Harish mian 404,

You are being too (im)modest. Being of the Nizami blood and lineage, such athleticism should come naturally to you.

devkant,

I acknowledge reading and partially agreeing with your 362 with some reservations. As for democracy being imperfect in Europe... maybe so, which is why I am in awe of no one- not even Harish mian, who is just scary.

Yasser,

chowck out this link from today`s daily times.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006 12 19 story_19-12-2006_pg7_5

after reading this, would you agree that eurpoeans are equally in tolerant and hence the product of their democracy is flawed too. so why single out india only. everyone is equally flawed.

and awaiting a reply to my post 362,

rgds,

devkant.

( can`t see where this mud slinging is leading)

From MAJ (pbuh)-MKG to orifices.

Regards