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Re: # 234

Utterly respected Masadi,

Why were you chased out of faithfreedom.org ?

zeemax writes <<< masadi,

You didn`t answer my question in the last para of my #212. >>>

sorry, my analysis might lead to the same conclusions as his, against colonization and its effects that is, but in no way am I recommending an ``Islamic`` state, as the mullahs understand it, or Islamization from above which in the narrowness of the mullah`s Islam will equally culturally starve the people as appeal to the common denominator, what you describe as hedonism, is doing.

I am merely suggesting social justice and equity for the people as a precursor to them reaching their potential, to fulfill their destiny which is based on maximum freedom, to see which one of you is best in deed ``(Quran 67:2)

#232 by okhla99

Good. So now you`ve presented another hypothesis ``... that the Taliban/ Jehadis are evil, that the Mullahs are damging our socity/country and that the sooner these extremist mindsets are eliminated the better it would be for mankind & fro Pakistan.``

But this hypothesis has nothing to do with the 9/11 hypothesis, does it? It doesn`t prove nor disprove it, so it`s a fresh one and you can debate it seperately.

Then I take it you do not have any comments on the first hypothesis which is basically the US administration version, but believe it merely because of the untested bias contained in your second hypothesis, which in fact is precisely the reason why most people believe the first anyway (except for 36% americans, of-course)

:~)

No Dearest Zee.

I do not hypothesize at all. It is you who started with a hypothesis, eliminated inconvenient parts, moulded some half truths and arrived at the fantastic conclusion that 9/11 was a federal conspiracy and had nothing to do with muslim militants.

I unfortunately, belong to the vast majority of people who believe that the Taliban/ Jehadis are evil, that the Mullahs are damging our socity/country and that the sooner these extremist mindsets are eliminated the better it would be for mankind & fro Pakistan.

#230 by okhla99

Ok. So here`s your hypothesis:

Four young Arab men with a few hours of incomplete training on Cessna hobbyist aircraft alongwith 15 Arab accomplices after having a beer party the evening before and on the orders of someone sitting incommunicado in a cave in Afghanistan hijacked 4 wide-body jets with box-cutters and piloted them precisely avoiding Norad security through aerial maneuvers and caused the two world trade centre 110 storey towers to collapse exactly on their footprint in 9 seconds flat and a third one in the same manner without even hitting it as well as blasted a hole in Pentagon while coming in at utility pole level without even singeing the manicured lawn underneath and crashed a fourth jet in the ground without leaving any wreckage or furrows in the ground except a large straight down ditch and bodies or even parts of all passengers as well as the aircraft engines and fuselages etc totally evaporated in each of the four crashes without leaving a trace but however the passport of someone named Muhammad Atta was found in the debris quite undamaged.

That`s your hypothesis, correct?

My friend, if you believe this, then you better start running. Because if those guys could accomplish this, then they could accomplish far more after another 5 years of education. You`re in bad trouble.

:~)

Re: # 229

No Zeemax.

What would remain in such a situation would not necessarily be the truth. It would definitely be the ``last remains of the original hypothesis``.

#228 by okhla99

Yes. Fantastic, isn`t it?

When you take a hypothesis, and through the process of elimination, exclude the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth. Regarless of how unlikely it may seem.

Dear Zee,

This is from the same TIME magazine article you quoted in your #225.
<<
In world No. 2, al-Qaeda is not responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. The U.S. government is. The Pentagon was not hit by a commercial jet; it was hit by a cruise missile. United Flight 93 did not crash after its occupants rushed the cockpit; it was deliberately taken down by a U.S. Air Force fighter. The entire catastrophe was planned and executed by federal officials in order to provide the U.S. with a pretext for going to war in the Middle East and, by extension, as a means of consolidating and extending the power of the Bush Administration. >>

Fantastic...

The tighter we shut our eyes, the harder the truth will hit us

[....I generally find myself in agreement with most of your posts. ...]

you must be out of your mind.... in the Theater of Absurd - zeemax is the heroine... islamabad bob is the hero, ijaz gul is his sidekick and romair is the clown in chief... :)

#224 by okhla99

Time Magazine: Sep. 03, 2006

A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it ``very likely`` or ``somewhat likely`` that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.

#217 zee


This is amazing. Zeemax actually believes christians/Jews/Hindus were responsible for 9/11 and that the innocent Mohammad Atta etc were framed in by the administration.

Zee, I had creditted you with much more intelligence. I generally find myself in agreement with most of your posts. But this is one argument any one would find tough to swallow....

regards.

#217 zee


This is amazing. Zeemax actually believes christians/Jews/Hindus were responsible for 9/11 and that the innocent Mohammad Atta etc were framed in by the administration.

Zee, I had creditted you with much more intelligence. I generally find myself in agreement with most of your posts. But this is one argument any one would find tough to swallow....

regards.

#218 zeemax: That is indeed the focus on areas of common ground as opposed to areas of difference that I think we need more of on chowk. Of course, if it was only common ground we sought on chowk, most of us would probably become less frequent posters. So, I dont mind discussing areas of differences either, as long as we are not putting each other down as individuals.

Thus, like I mentioned, oil prices per se are not particularly important to most people in the US, e.g. (there was some survey which showed that most people would not care even if gas pump prices doubled). However, they are interest in the larger scheme of things given the impact of the environment of gas use. Thus, I think they should increase oil prices since this would ultimately result in in less damage to the environment (with the increase not going as additional unearned wealth in the pockets of arab sheikhs, but used to pay for the development of alternative energy sources or for poverty reduction). The way things are headed, we are literally jeopardizing the very ability of human life to survive in this planet. These are the broader aspects that I think are much more relevant - although not discussed as often - than middle east politics which are basically a storm in a teacup given that what is at stake. Trouble is we take our climate for granted - when the fact is the opposite.

#219 masadi: In other words, you stand exposed as a liar.