The Spirit of Pakistan is Failing

Re: # 1

The spirit of Pakistan was not ``exclusivist``; it was a decision based upon FACTS as much as ideology. The creators of Pakistan did not want to create a state for Muslims because they were convinced of Muslim ``superiority`` or Hindu ``inferiority``, but because living together was NOT FEASIBLE for the two communities.
Had future generations of Pakistanis not terribly misconstrued it all, the reation of Pakistan SHOULD HAVE benefitted hindus AS MUCH AS Muslims of the sub-continent..

The pakistan spirit... in my opinion, that is epitomized in Jinnah`s words:`` Justice, fair-play, impartiality.`` This messae has been most brutally manipulated; so much so,in fact, that it now exists merely in the form of words- it is absent from the hearts. Why? Maybe because now,there are no more ``Pakistanis`` as Jinnah envisioned them- there are only people leeching off whatever Pakistan has to offer, never feeling an ounce of gratitude. Why, then should there be a ``Paksiatn spirit``?

Re: # 6

Go easy there big man... don`t be so harsh on J-man... after all, a vast number of muslims did want and voted for creation of pakistan...

Spirit of pakiland is certainly failing... but all is not lost yet... there is still time to pull back and recover - as long as pakis focus on the basics...

Re: # 5, mubakr:

What you want to discuss and avoid is your choice. But your wail needed an evaluation and response.

Now, I can fully understand that my comments were like salt on your wounds. But I am sorry truth is truth.

The truth is that the entire delusion of Pakistan was a foolish and pernicious trick played by Jinnahs and Liyaqats as has been amply established by the honest and wise muslims like Azad and Zakaria.

I further assert that Pakistani spirit shall inevitably fail and it MUST. My only apprehension is the in its disintegration Pakistan State will hurt India.

Re: # 3

i never wish to enter in any kind of debate when both sides would have their conviction in the subject. but what pushes me to write is this mindset of seeing pakistan dissected into three or i-dont-know how many units forgetting about the basis of the nature of international relations. such an article or thinking could also have been taken as a comment of resistance against the situation that does not fit in the norms of a normal social or governance behavior but...three parts...four parts...five parts...six pa......

i would never get into a debate like this pointing daughters being exchanged in UP against a pair of dogs, missionaries being lynched alive with kids, mosques demolished and low-caste (whatever that means) people persecuted under a certain religion...or even eminent people writing about the ``end of india!`` spirit does matter and the ones who understand it, understand. the ones who dont, dont.

i would strongly suggest physicists doing physics and chemists doing chemistry etc.

first dibs on calling gandhi a racist casteist hindu nazi bastard...

manto...eat yer heart out....

I never thought that I would agree substantively with bjkumar on much. But I do agree entirely with him/her about #1. However, I wish he had not descended to #2.

As for the article it is true that Pakistan is better than it was under the previous general, Zia (interpret him as darkness!). However, I do not understand what scuttled Mushrraf`s early declared efforts to modernize Pakistan to a more acceptable state. May be he himself did not do enough to achieve all he outlined.

However, it is quite possible that before the end of the first decade of 21st century, Pakistan will split into three or four states.

I believe that those who stoked the fires of communal tension and brought the mayhem of religion-specific slaughter to the subcontinent, flooding it with rivers of blood ought to be yanked out of wherever they hide - even their graves, and hung by their necks!

Saddam Hussein, now executed, could not hold a tiny candle to such people - those devil-incarnates!!!

Lofty words do not mean anything.

When all is said and done, the ``spirit`` of Pakistan was exclusivist - to make distinction among men based on the accident of their religion of birth. The end result of such ``spirit`` was predictable - based on simple common sense. Those who believe in making no such distinction should shed no tears on the ``spirit`s`` demise.

It never had a physical basis!